Armstrong to NASA: You're Embarrassing

I'm too young to have seen the u.s going to & from space & discovering new things on moon & taking space travel to another level.
They should create the federation like star trek,all the best scientists from all countries working together to get further in space.
If america isn't going to explore space i'm sure other countires will,although it suprises me america is taking a back seat to china,india & russia when it comes to space travel of the future.

The world is not ruled by honest people and Star Trek is decisively the opposite to those.
In Star Trek Universe, this world destroyed itself in a nuclear cataclysm and barely survived, then with the help of Mr Spock and his Father Sarek, , a socialist utopia was created in which the only profit acceptable is knowledge...
So, forget it friend. Forget about NASA, they only look for what can be sold for profit, not to increase knowledge for everyone.

should be upset

from the days of kennedy to today the birth and death of americans greatest acheivements

not all nasas fault tho government priorties have shifted from elevating this country to social appeasement

and its social engineering instead of rocket engineering.

need to privatize nasa and let them do what they were born to do

get us off this rock i mean come on really after everything that goes on a daily basis

who the hell doesnt wanna get off the stupid ride?


i think i finally figured out the real reason the space program was cut they dont want us to leave they wanna make us all live in slavery to them

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i think i finally figured out the real reason the space program was cut they dont want us to leave they wanna make us all live in slavery to them

You really crack me up neo.

I had to give you a star.

I believe there will be a revamping of the space program at some point............Pride is becoming an issue.....

Why cant we think more out of the box?
If the navy can shoot a rail gun from ship board we can shoot the astronauts into low earth orrbit in a glider like shuttle that can re-enter atmosphere....
Canadian John Bull invented a space launch cannon, but they whacked him when sadam bought it .
The same tech is still available...
Personally, i favour the railgun idea,as it is reuseable and uses no wierd chemicals or fuels to dump into the atmosphee.
It is simple electricity that powers it.
We could start the rails on the prairries and run it to escape velocitoes. however far that would take....
The small amount of manouver fuel they could carry with them.....
Launching from piggy back off a B52 seems a better answer as well.....
They could get a head start both ways
altitude and speed....This could be a way to launch smaller vehicles with scramjets engines for secondary boost after launch
then they could fire a solid booster when it time to hit space....

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the space industry alone could propel mankind to a new era and unbelievable era trillions of job and wealth creation

and from that derive trillions of wealth and job creation which all todays dreams entail.

he3 helium 3 an abundent element on the moon goes for 5 million a gram need for clean energy fusion energy that could solve the worlds energy crisis and a myriad of other technologies.

people dont get it we need to be out there and none of us will ever be and the way things continue to go

none will ever see.

answer 1 problem then that solves a myraid of other issues.

hit the tail end of the apollo space program and watched the first shulttle launch ive always wanted to go

and they have had the biggest impact on the technology we all use today.

As long as there is oil, this will be the age of combustion. The PTB will never allow anything better than this to fall into people's hands.
They wanted us to believe that space travel is with action-reaction engines, God forbid!
We are stuck here with those bastards. They are shutting down space program, except satellites to spy on us and shoot us if we disobey.

I don't think that you should have kept the Shuttle Programm running no matter what.
Maybe the people behind that Programm had to realize that the limits of that design were reached.
And maybe it would have made no sense to just go on.
I grew up with the shuttle (on TV o.c.), and that thing has sure left an everlasting impression on me.
What an epic machine, what an epic sound, epic furious fiery propulsion.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it for the first time.
Many many people all around the globe must have felt likewise.
Great memories actually.

The Americans will forever be in space. It can not be a shame for an American Astronaut to travel into space on some other countries technology, ever. You have earned your place in that rocket pretty hard. The race is over.
Space Agencies are finally able to work together. And that's how it should be.
Look at earth from space. It's this blue ball, and if something bad is going to happen to that ball, it will most likely not descern between colors or stop at borders.
Yeah, we are one.

Originally posted by derpif
I don't think that you should have kept the Shuttle Programm running no matter what.
Maybe the people behind that Programm had to realize that the limits of that design were reached.
And maybe it would have made no sense to just go on.
I grew up with the shuttle (on TV o.c.), and that thing has sure left an everlasting impression on me.
What an epic machine, what an epic sound, epic furious fiery propulsion.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it for the first time.
Many many people all around the globe must have felt likewise.
Great memories actually.

The Americans will forever be in space. It can not be a shame for an American Astronaut to travel into space on some other countries technology, ever. You have earned your place in that rocket pretty hard. The race is over.
Space Agencies are finally able to work together. And that's how it should be.
Look at earth from space. It's this blue ball, and if something bad is going to happen to that ball, it will most likely not descern between colors or stop at borders.
Yeah, we are one.

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It was 1970's technology, it had to end eventually.

The fact that there is no replacement is odd at best.

Originally posted by Maxmars


Well, it may little to anyone born after 1970, but this man was and remains a national hero.

It appears very stark that a man who represent the living memory of one of the finest moments in American history, pointing out the decay and fall of the organization responsible for crowning technical achievement of the 20th century.

I'd just to say he is a WORLD hero and one of the world's finest moments, not just america's history.

I call complete and utter b.s. red flag swaying

anyone who is honestly willing to believe that the US is going to back out of the space race is seriously fooling themselves,it is all a front.

yeah,maybe to hook line and sink the masses in order to receive more funding after increase in outcries for global competition,in getting America back to the forefront of space exploration,all the while they will have their black ops budgets & projects concealed,creating new insane space/weapons tech.

Tech. that the common man or women still thinks is the stuff of fiction & belonging solely in the realm of sci-fi.

It exists and we all know why it is not made public.

Of course,this is my opinion.

Out of all the news stories, conspiricy theories etc being banded about - this is the one which gives me most pause for thought. It just makes no sence that the USA would abandon it's shuttle programme when there is no current replacement for it. Why would they do this?

A) Because they know that comming events will mean they don't need it?
B) Because they already have a "black Programme" replacement they are not telling us about?
C) They really are that short of cash and have no alternative?
D) They uncoverred a flaw in the shuttle which is beyond any ecconomical sence to fix?

Answers on a post card please! lol

This bothers me adn is the one subject about which I have serious susspicions. Keep yer Elenin and your planet X and your Denver Airport bunkers..... all speculation without logical backing. But this...... Man, very dodgy!

Originally posted by PerfectPerception
anyone who is honestly willing to believe that the US is going to back out of the space race is seriously fooling themselves,it is all a front.

Space race? With who? I thought that ended when the Soviet Union collapsed?

And with Japan it doesn't seem to be a race, they are sending probes to the moon, that race to the moon is long over.

It exists and we all know why it is not made public.

I know secret technology exists in black programs, but I don't know what it is, and neither do you, unless you are involved in it in which case you couldn't admit even if you did know.

And somehow I suspect it doesn't involve going to the moon. Space planes, yes, but only because going into space is the only way to get from Vandenberg AFB to Pakistan in a couple of hours. I don't imagine there's much strategic interest in the moon until we can develop reactors to use the He3 fuel on the surface of the moon, and that seems a long ways off.

I have to agree with Armstrong. It does seem like an embarrassment for NASA to have to hitch a ride to low earth orbit. I'm not close enough to it to know who's fault it is, but I do see the cancellation of the constellation program as a change of priorities, so changing priorities could be a part of the program.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi

"We will have no American access to, and return from, low Earth orbit and the International Space Station for an unpredictable length of time in the future," Armstrong told the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

If that's true, what about this from last year?

NASA Signs New $335 Million Deal to Fly Astronauts on Russian Spaceships
www.space.com...

NASA has signed a new $335 million contract with Russia to buy six extra seats on Soyuz spacecraft to launch ?American and partner astronauts into space after the space shuttle fleet is retired, the space agency announced Tuesday.

The new deal allows NASA to pay the Russian Federal Space Agency for six round-trip rides to and from the International Space Station in 2013 and 2014. That averages to about $55.8 million per trip ? a slight increase from the $50 million NASA paid for seats on the Russian-built Soyuz spacecraft through 2012.

Paying for a ride from your neighbor is not like owning a car. We have fallen from leaders to the backseat with no control over the cargo or who drives.

Some of the comments... take three deep breaths, and grab on to a good solid piece of reality.

What "Space R Us" is doing is a grand Disney ride. It is not technology capable of competing with a NASA scale. It is not able to achieve orbit, it is useless. It is a thrill ride.

It is not "odd" or in any way suspicious that NASA ended the shuttle program before having another means to put man in space-- and it has nothing to do with Plasma Drives, Flux Capacitors, and Warp Nacelles coming out of Area 51 underground factories.

The White House and the Legislature make the budget, and NASA got what it got: Enough to limp along to the end of the Shuttle but not enough to concurrently develop a new craft. If you are thinking, "Redstone, Atlas, Saturn" then remember, the first two already existed for ICBM use and only Saturn was designed for men.

You really need and crave that conspiracy factor? Okay.

Maybe this... The Russians are going to stay with what works for as long as they can-- as they have always done. That takes the pressure off... some.

Meanwhile, the Chinese are bold. "How bold"" is the gazillion dollar question. They start aiming at the Moon and the US will be on the moon agin so fast their heads will spin. They start building military bases in orbit, and US technology will go in that direction. No one, but no one, will get the upper hand. So... US spies, paying attention to the Chinese program, are reporting on what possible technology the Chinese may be developing and the US is in a position to match and excel with a powerful general purpose launch system and a heavy duty deep space manned craft. There. That is the likely intrigue effecting the design and the budget.

Armstrong is right (like that is any surprise)-- it is hard to catch up once a lead is lost. But US legislators see a big lead, and a chance to sprint farther ahead at minimum cost by "taking a cab" for eight years, and then launching something with the ability to respond, if (and as) necessary to the Chinese program, and do what is desired for its own interests.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The people that went to the moon 40 years ago know a hell of a lot more than what they would have you believe. Its not that they don't want to share information with the public, its the theory that they have signed non-disclosure agrements preventing them to disclose the possiblity of alien life on our moon and solar system in general.

Yes NASA is an embarrassment for america and its citizens but NASA is an executive branch of the government and technically belongs to the DOD. That means any information can be deemed classified and people would be non the wiser.

Of course its part of the grand conspiracy and everyone should feel a sucker for paying them to keep secrets from us. At this point its probably a good idea that they abandoned the shuttle missions given the fact we are having our medicare/medicaid and social security payments threatened.

If they can't do things properly they might as well not exist!

I thought 'Buzz'was already travelling round with his entourage making statements about monoliths etc?.....

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And what about SpaceX

Originally posted by Shamatt
Out of all the news stories, conspiricy theories etc being banded about - this is the one which gives me most pause for thought. It just makes no sence that the USA would abandon it's shuttle programme when there is no current replacement for it. Why would they do this?

A) Because they know that comming events will mean they don't need it?
B) Because they already have a "black Programme" replacement they are not telling us about?
C) They really are that short of cash and have no alternative?
D) They uncoverred a flaw in the shuttle which is beyond any ecconomical sence to fix?

Answers on a post card please! lol

This bothers me adn is the one subject about which I have serious susspicions. Keep yer Elenin and your planet X and your Denver Airport bunkers..... all speculation without logical backing. But this...... Man, very dodgy!

You forgot option E)The shuttle program (like the apollo program) is bogus -Endeavour And The Spaced Out NASA Efforts!
- And it's just time to retire this particular cash-cow, for whatever reasons - perhaps option B) above.
(Or maybe B. Fulfords white dragons have called time on the NASA con-merchants!!

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Hard to fly into space when your hunkered down in a bunker for 18 to 24 months..........

This honestly does not worry me that much.. the commercial space industry is on the heels of taking off within the next 20 years.

Soon, SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, dragon whatever, will take NASA's place in developing space technologies, i suspect first with low earth orbit "commuter" planes. Once this industry kicks off and competition starts brewing between different privatized space groups America's space program will no longer be America's per se, but the peoples.