Fox, Debate, Sham

What a joke!! what a political correctness!! It took 20 minutes to get to " Paul" & Johnsen". So reherssed?, I'm not right wing I am not left, but come on...Fair and balanced. By the way I do lean "Right" but This was just a joke..I think Bauchman is....The Anti- Christ!!!

By the way I've heard Michelle speak once?????

Yes they are shams.
Yes, the polls are doctored.
Yes, Michelle Backmann may be the Anti-Christ.
But,

I have never in my life watched the debates in such interest in one person. Its like cathing a Micheal Jordan game in the early 90's for me. Go Ron Paul, 2012 is yours and thxs for getting us some liberty to speak again.

reply to post by calman2278


I dunno which one you were watching, but it wasnt ron paul they were interested in.......

he only got thrown like 5 questions the whole debate.....

if anything they are pushing him out more and more with each debate

reply to post by madhadder545


I agree the debate was stagted to be yet again TONIGHT Bilderberg Rick Perry VS mitt romney. good thing i dont have fox news anymore.

I do not understand the premise, or objective, of your post.
Is this not "the Land Of The Free"?
FOX News is a privately owned company, whose allegiances, objectives, and editorial criteria, are well known. They have no obligation to be "fair-and-balance", objective, or even truthful. FOX was established with a clear objective and, thus, represents the views, opinions, and prejudices of it's owners.

In short, FOX NEWS is a propaganda machine, nothing more, nothing less.
If you don't like it do like me, and so many others, don't watch it!

Now, if it where a Publicly subsidized network (like PBS) your post would make a bit of sense.

I concur.

What a sham.
Perry and Romney in the middle of the podium "arguing"....is laughable.
It is apparent who the MSM sees as your nominees.

Perry or a Romney.

Who owns FOX? (please search to find the answer)
What groups are the owner a part of? (again...search, it will shock you)

To me, it is definitely a sham and Ron Paul knows its.
You can see the disgust on his face.
He is getting less air time more and more.

But...even with a Perry or Romney nomination, the people can "write-in" their vote.


So im 2012....
The write-in ballot:
Ron Paul.
Now to get all the sheeple to do the same instead of blindly following the TV.

This is the voting system that Americans tout as a symbol of our freedom.

You are free to choose between puppet A, or puppet B.

Select whoever you wish. He will fit in seamlessly and pick right up where Obama left off, just like Obama picked up where Bush II left off, so on and so forth.

This entire process is a SHAM.

End your allegiance to political parties.

Romney Wins In Orlando???? Really? Woke up the morning and had to hunt for a while until I found the last posting of the fox news poll on who won the debate last night. Here it is. Its pretty clear that Dr. Paul ran away with this one and from what I saw several other polls.

Who won the debate?
Mitt Romney 23.38% (20,106 votes)
Rick Perry 13.17% (11,328 votes)
Newt Gingrich 7.31% (6,287 votes)
Ron Paul 37.44% (32,197 votes)
Rick Santorum 1.56% (1,340 votes)
Gary Johnson 1.91% (1,639 votes)
Herman Cain 11.33% (9,745 votes)
Michele Bachmann 2.34% (2,009 votes)
Jon Huntsman 1.56% (1,340 votes)

Total Votes: 85,991
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Read more: www.foxnews.com...

So imagine my surprise when the only piece on the winner I find is one praising Romney on winning the debate.

Romney Wins In Orlando (edited for size)

Perry has been coming back to Earth lately, partly on the basis of his uneven debate performances. Orlando didn't do anything to change that dynamic--indeed may have accelerated it. In the first two debates, Perry stood out for his sheer stage presence even if his answers weren't always crisp or deep. Thursday night, he faded more into the line-up of the other candidates at the same time he wasn't any better on the substance. His weak performance will stoke more speculation about New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie possibly entering the race.
Romney has weathered Perry much better than anyone would have expected. By pushing the Texas governor on his more adventurous positions in his book "Fed Up," especially on Social Security, he's kept him in an awkward spot. Sometimes, Perry sounds like he's adopting the standard Republican position that the program merely needs to be reformed over time; at other times, he says he's sticking by his contention in the book that the program is an unconstitutional failure and perhaps should be devolved to the states.
It's become clear that Romney has an advantage over Perry in these forums simply because he's more articulate, detailed and authoritative-sounding in his answers; he's like a boxer with a reach advantage.
Romney also benefits from the current dynamic in the race: Since Perry is ahead in the polls, the lesser candidates tend to aim all their barbs at the Texan rather than him.
Among those second-tier candidates, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Herman Cain all had good nights--especially Santorum who got a lot of airtime and has been consistently strong in the debates. Michele Bachmann didn't have much of an impact at all.

Unless I'm blind, the entire (opinion) article doesn't mention a thing about Ron Paul and doesn't even include him in the second tier candidates. Read it all for yourself if you havn't already.

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

I'm trying to temper my outrage with the fact that this was an opinion piece and Rich Lowry is entitled to his opinion and all but to not mention one of the candidates at all is just beyond belief. What can we as "free" people do to fight against the media monster? When 86,000 people vote and one man wins 37% of their vote, nearly double of all other candidates I think he deserves the nod.

OP, Fox, Debate, Sham, you said it all!

reply to post by SMTRu44


You do realize that Ron Paul fans spam online polls don't you?

Have to give it to them, they are very good at it.

If Ron Paul didn't win an online poll, I would be shocked.

reply to post by Carseller4


Spam online polls? So what you are saying is that Ron Paul has lots of supporters? You can't vote more than once in these polls so coming out in droves to vote for the guy you like and having that guy win tells me something. Either the other candidates supporters aren't paying attention or they don't exist. MSM has attempted to shut Ron Paul down at every turn. I just hope that all these people come out and vote when it really matters.

reply to post by calman2278


Hahaha.. I never thought about it..
It is definitely like a Jordan game in the 90's.
Paul performs about the same as well.

The only polls that Ron Paul wins are the online polls and yes they do spam them and no he doesn't have that many supporters except maybe here at ATS. I like a lot of what he has to say but there are some things about him that make him unelectable for me. He's too old for one and also he is still a corporate puppet. I hate to upset you guys but it's true. He's big business all the way but he would at least end the wars.

The reason the debates are focusing on Mitt and Rick is because they are the only two real candidates. O and btw, they aren't libertarians, they are republicans.

reply to post by madhadder545


To be fair did you really expect a legitimate debate? Right off the bat, I expected a Perry/Romney-fest like the other ones have been, and I was not disappointed. They always put those two together, and they always give them questions which conveniently spark a 5 minute back-and-forth discussion that makes all of the headlines the next few days making people think they are the only two choices.

All of the debates have been a sham and will continue to be a sham, show me one where every candidate has the same amount of questions about the same topics and then I'll be happy. But the way their structured, Ron Paul isn't getting the chance to answer some big questions about things like foreign policy or health care, but Rick Perry and Mitt Romney get to have multiple arguments and battles of wits on stage that are a waste of time.

And unfortunately the upcoming debates are all being hosted by one of the corporate media networks, so things probably aren't going to chance too much.

Originally posted by SMTRu44
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Spam online polls? So what you are saying is that Ron Paul has lots of supporters? You can't vote more than once in these polls so coming out in droves to vote for the guy you like and having that guy win tells me something. Either the other candidates supporters aren't paying attention or they don't exist. MSM has attempted to shut Ron Paul down at every turn. I just hope that all these people come out and vote when it really matters.

Don't bother. He comes on every Ron Paul thread and mentions that the only reason Ron Paul is popular is because he has a lot of supporters...

Yeah, I don't get that logic either.

Originally posted by damwel

I like a lot of what he has to say but there are some things about him that make him unelectable for me. He's too old for one and also he is still a corporate puppet. I hate to upset you guys but it's true. He's big business all the way but he would at least end the wars.

The reason the debates are focusing on Mitt and Rick is because they are the only two real candidates. O and btw, they aren't libertarians, they are republicans.

Too old?

Corporate puppet?

First reason is dumb, sorry. Can you back up the corporate puppet comment at least? Unelectable? Obviously parroting the media. Well done.

In response to : "The only polls that Ron Paul wins are the online polls and yes they do spam them and no he doesn't have that many supporters except maybe here at ATS"

If I'm not mistaken Ron Paul just won the California Straw Poll. Pretty hard to spam that one. So it looks like he does in fact win more than just online polls.

articles.cnn.com...OLITICS

Ron Paul can only win online polls because his supporters spam them even though he doesnt have many supporters aside from ATS? What kind of goofy logic is that? Lets not even attempt to bring up the fact that Ron Paul wins or polls very highly in almost every straw poll this year. Corporate puppet? Have you even checked into this guy's history? The man has a flawless 30 year record of being for the constitution, freedom and liberty. I cant understand how you get corporate puppet out of that. Ron Paul is too old? Since when do we elect people on the basis of how they look or their age instead of their ideas and politics? Thats almost as bad as refusing to vote for someone because they dont hold the same religious beliefs as you... unreal how ignorant people can be.

reply to post by damwel


I find it hilarious that you think Ron Paul is the puppet and Romney/Perry are the real candidates.