Message to fellow Indigos/ Homo Noeticus, I'm so confused on what to believe, help!

reply to post by JohnCreed777


I would suggest that you keep on searching for more info, and maybe wait a bit longer.
If events are to happen and you are an indigo, you will know soon!
Check out Ashtarcommand or other channeling sites. Peace!

reply to post by Annee


I disagree with most of what you stated. Skepticism does not mean lack of experience. It does suggest being less gullible than those believing in the nonsense of Indigo. Skepticism probably means being unwilling to make some oddball claim without evidence or reasoning.

It seems that blind people can understand color. We understand x-rays and cannot them either.
Q & A: blind people and colors - U of Illinois

A musical person can understand tone deaf just as a blind person can learn to understand color. Deaf people learn to speak.

Experience is only understood by those who have the experience.

I suppose how rigid you want to be with the word understood. There are many people that understand by reading.

Believers of Indigo can wallow in the hoax of Indigo. It must be a great experience to have that eventual realization that it is nothing more than a hoax.

reply to post by Annee

I was born having "experiences" - - - you don't have them - - - end of story.

How sad that you have such a terrible understanding of the world.

I am not as gullible as other people that subscribe to hoaxes such as Indigo.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Annee

 

I was born having "experiences" - - - you don't have them - - - end of story.

How sad that you have such a terrible understanding of the world.

I am not as gullible as other people that subscribe to hoaxes such as Indigo.

have got to agree here with annie some people have these experiences and no matter how much science wish's to prove you wrong or how much someone try's to disprove what you say you cant take away what you have experienced and what you know to be truthful

I have them you dont.................... End of ..............

reply to post by theruthlessone


But how do you know if the experiences are in any sense truthful? How can you differentiate wishful thinking from experiences? What differentiates these so-called experiences from self delusions?

For example, someone claims they are a reincarnation of Napoleon. Are you saying they are the only ones that can tell because they are the ones that experienced the event?

Someone says they can see through objects and read playing cards before they are turned over. Are you going to believe them or ask for a demo?

Someone claims they can dowse for water. Do you believe them or do you ask for a demo? Personally, I'd have them find a place with no water. That is fairly hard in most places where people live. At most about 6% of the land area is dry across Europe.

Seriously - - - some of you skeptics are ridiculous.

I love science - - - but you know what? Science is limited to known knowledge.

Gullible? Why? Because today's known knowledge can't explain something by repeated testing?

That does not mean it doesn't happen. It only means it can't be proven by scientific methods.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

reply to post by stereologist


well im talking about inner truth you see what i have experienced personally does not need to be scientifically proven nor does it need to be proved to individuals as yourself you see no matter what i told you that i have both seen sensed and experienced so far in my life you couldnt possibly prove scientifically but i myself no what is the truth because i have been through it just because you your self has not experienced what i have nor can scientist's prove or dis prove does not make it impossible we are mentally (ability) still very very young

reply to post by Annee

I love science - - - but you know what? Science is limited to known knowledge.

False. Science is limited to what we can imagine. Here are some examples of the unknown proposed by science:
1. Tyche - although it is looking unlikely
2. Higgs boson - looking for it right now
3. Life on other planets
4. Cures for cancer

Gullible? Why? Because today's known knowledge can't explain something by repeated testing?

No. Because people believe int he demonstrably false.

That does not mean it doesn't happen. It only means it can't be proven by scientific methods.

No. It means that there is evidence against it, sometimes overwhelming evidence.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

Wrong. 2000 years ago people knew the Earth was round. When people did not travel far they supposed that the world was flat. That is an adequate assumption for many purposes even today. As soon as people traveled a bit further than over the next hill they began to realize that this assumption was wrong. The ancient Greeks invented the astrolabe because they knew the world was round. By 500 years ago the astrolabe was a well polished instrument used by explorers that all knew the world was round.

None of this has any bearing on special abilities. They have been tested and failed. Aura readers have been tested and they failed. They continue to fail. No special abilities of any kind have stood up to scrutiny.

Cecilofs said it perfectly I think. I fall into the same category as him. I've had unique experiences but science hasn't caught up to them and I have trouble determining what I believe.

BTW Stereo: You flaunt your scientific theory around like it is so different from experience yet you say that experience is no teacher on the same page. Claiming that because people are capable of misinterpreting experience that experience isn't a valid teacher. At least that's how it sounds if I read your post correctly. While I would agree with that statement in some ways in many other is is just as flawed what you believe because science is based on experience.

If I was to say I believe this water is hot. (points at water on an oven range boiling)

You could measure that temperature and describe that temperature in multiple ways until you were blue in the face to someone that didn't know what hot or cold was and they might believe based on the facts that you show them that the water is hot...but they don't KNOW the water is how because they are simply going on what is believed to be fact based on someone elses observations. The only way a person without the knowledge of hot or cold...notice I said knowledge....I'm not talking about senses here...could tell if something was really hot or cold is by touching something like that for the first time. When a person EXPERIENCES something for the first time they know what it is. Sometimes knowledge can be foretold or shown to someone in advance and while they understand the concept they don't really know.

If I had no concept of hot or cold an you tried to describe hot to me I wouldn't know what the hell you were talking about until I felt something hot. Which is an experience...I might suspect what you say to be true based on facts you give me but I won't really know if it's real or not until I do it.

The same in a sense can be said of electricity or god....both things I find I believe in...both things I've had my own experiences with that make me believe in them. I'm sure that you know someone who when they were younger got electrocuted probably by doing something stupid. Now did they know about the dangers of electricity and how it works before they got electrocuted? Probably, but I'm sure they have a much greater respect/knowledge of electricity now. I myself while no slouch intellectually had such an experience when I was younger. I don't feel like I was dumb either. I was learned about the dangers but it was one thing to learn about electricity; it was another thing entirely to experience it.

I don't believe in any one religion but I do believe in a higher power. I wasn't brought up particularly religious and I assumed the roll of a christian when I was younger. When my teens hit, some I had issues with some death in the family made me lose my faith. But at the time I also hadn't experienced any sort of event that would make me truely believe in a higher power....you know like "seeing" god. Then about a year or two ago I was having a good time with some friends when we someone got onto the subject of religion. I pretty much yelled at the sky and practically demanded a sign to prove I was wrong, and just as I shook my fist at the sky a bolt of lightening came from no where right in front of me and my friends. There wasn't a cloud in the sky....at least not nearby. Now you can interpret that however you want but that's how the experience left me feeling and I had been an atheist for about 10 years. So it was profound enough that it made me change 10 years of previous thinking. I'm probably not doing the story justice but you get the point.

You are not alone and no crazy
always make the difference between Good and Bad
is the first advice i can give when confusion comes

Be proud that you are not "normal" but unique
most people hide their souls so deep it becomes dark

Live by knowing who you are
and prepare yourself mentally that there is a transition coming to a better system with better values
the bad part is .. current system is so messed up
that to become selfsufficiant and create a real heaven on earth
it will be hard to get and will probably take dozen of yrs

I also believe we were ALL made or reincarnated souls with their own destiny
some say indigos have been reincarnating in mass for the grand 2012 event
each time a soul is born our past lifes memory are wipe out.. sadly
but there is a few exceptions

Indigos theorists say are here to help in that transition
can you proove you are one ? .. can i proove im one ?
can anybody proove they are one .. NO

Do they have alien DNA ? do humans in general have alien DNA ?
Scientist are still trying to find the missing link in our genes
how did we evoluate so fast .. we are literally missing millions of yrs
is 2012 the next evolution ??
when a possible planet alignement release energy particul on everyone ?

So many theories to sleep on
2012 wasnt predict for nothing
its accuracy method is simply Godlike
even our current tech we wouldnt be able to make such stars calendar
displacing giant thousand tuns carved stone on a hill
is nothing compare to the mayan calendar

there is so many myths on earth and in the sky/space that we can have infinit answers
even with the proof sometime people still dont believe in something

so that was my though
any question ?
because i still have many

reply to post by peanutman27


Yes, it was spirit science. I'm confused however by what you meant when you said choose conquest for my PP?

reply to post by Annee


You do understand you are having an influence on someones belief system right? A persons belief system is probably the single most important thing in their life regardless of what they believe. I don't know if you can even grasp how important that is and what effect it can have on the human mind.

Lets assume you convince someone that they are an Indigo and that they are here for a purpose on Dec 21, 2012.... Then after 2012 when nothing happens what will their purpose be then?

reply to post by centrifugal


1. Every Indigo character trait applies to my personality, could just be coincidence.

2. I actually have considered that, in fact until 2 years ago I refused to believe or even consider any "new age" stuff, then things changed. However much "Indigo Science" (not a real term) has many good points and many things make sense but just as anything else it has a few farfetched ideas. It's really just a dodgeball tournament of ideas, similar to christianity vs. atheism. Both sides have good points but whos to say either is wrong?

3. I've also considered that, something may or may not happen. As Y2K it may jsut be a bunch of paranoid people making stuff up, however a some (very few) share some very good key points some even have visual evidence and science to back their claims, and then you have people who make up stuff and say the penutbutter jally monster will eat us all. Something may or may not happen, we'll jsut have to see.

reply to post by GonzoSinister

Ha Ha brilliant, I actually plan to do so. See some would say I'm an Indigo. and some people say indigos have a triple helix, some even say most children born recently have a triple helix. Thus, I wish to test my own DNA, If it's positive to have a triple helix then I will post all forms of eveidence here on ATS for all to see.

Originally posted by stereologist
False. Science is limited to what we can imagine.

I imagine everything is energy. That energy has consciousness. That there are many levels of energy consciousness.

And - - - energy frequencies/vibrations can cross over from one consciousness to another.

Have a good day

Originally posted by centrifugal
reply to post by Annee

 

You do understand you are having an influence on someones belief system right? A persons belief system is probably the single most important thing in their life regardless of what they believe. I don't know if you can even grasp how important that is and what effect it can have on the human mind.

Lets assume you convince someone that they are an Indigo and that they are here for a purpose on Dec 21, 2012.... Then after 2012 when nothing happens what will their purpose be then?

Did I somewhere in this thread state a person should believe they are an Indigo?

Or state such a thing is real.

Try this. All that is - is energy. Thought is energy consciousness creating. If you think an event will happen in 2012 - perhaps you are actually creating it - - - while another person may be creating a world where there is no event.

reply to post by Annee


Good question.

How did I learn? Almost two years ago now I was big into supernatural phenomenon and other things but I had no regard in psychic phenomenon, I wouldn't even consider becuase it was how I was raised. Granted I always felt out of place, like I didn't belong here but that had nothing to do with it. I was studying the effects of the lunar cycles on the human brain when discovered there would be a "super moon" the following week which was supposed to be closer to the earth thus appearing larger and having a greater impact on earth. Unfortunately I was busy the night of the super moon and so I missed it, but apparently my brain didn't. It was so odd, in fact it was even scaring me, what was? The effects it seemed to have on me, suddenly I knew how people felt not just the basics but down to specifics, I even could tell someone everything about themselves simply by looking into their eyes. I understand this is usaul for some but it wasn't even anything I was familiar with i'd never even heard of telepathy. I tried this new "ability" on a guy I went to school with but I didn't really know. I looked him in the face and then suddenly all this information started to flow as simple as breathing, I told heim everything about himself, his insecurities, the way he saw himself, etc. just as a bonus i told him that he was on the phone with his girlfriend 4 hours earlier. he was speechless said i was right and we never spoke again. I didn't think I was right so i was just as shocked. I started researching it until I learned about telepathy, though I was a telepath but then several months later I stumpled across an article about indigo children, I learned it matched me and everything I couldnt explain to the T. Do I believe i'm an indigo? Yes. Do I think i'm superior to others? hell no. You see I'm only following what makes sense to me, it doesn't mean i'm right.

2. Crap loads of research i've done all over the internet. Once again it makes sense to me, doesn't mean it's right though it's just my beliefs.

3. I hate typing but If you wish to know i'd suggest doing various research with an open mind. It's rather complex and I'd hate to type sevral pages, my first answer is quite long as it is. Basically Indigos from what I've found are children who share significant abilities and traits that may be deemed "unusual" you most people are left brain dominant where as Indigos are right brain dominant. It's a lot to explain but I implore you to delve further. Even if it's all wrong it's still pretty interesting.

4. It's not really a want, it's just something that happens. If that supermoon had never happened I'd have no idea what an Indigo is. If I am ideed Indigo then yes I am proud to be so, just as any American is proud to be so.

Hope this gives you a better understanding, namaste.

reply to post by GrimReaper86

BTW Stereo: You flaunt your scientific theory around like it is so different from experience yet you say that experience is no teacher on the same page. Claiming that because people are capable of misinterpreting experience that experience isn't a valid teacher. At least that's how it sounds if I read your post correctly. While I would agree with that statement in some ways in many other is is just as flawed what you believe because science is based on experience.

Not really sure where you are coming from. I believe you are trying to infer ideas from what I stated rather than rewording what I stated.

The hot/cold issue is wrong in that the idea of temperature is independent of the observer. Temperature is measured by devices, not by senses. It is easy to trick senses. Place a hand in hot water and the other hand in cold water. Wait a while and then place both hands in the same room temperature water. This is a great demo for kids because the experience perceived is that each hand suggests a different idea of the water's temperature.

What a person experiences for the first time is confusion. They certainly don't know what a new experience is the first time it is encountered.

The notion that we can't understand something is odd. Consider a deaf person. They often speak well although they will never ever hear the words they speak. How would you explain that?

I like your example of electricity. The same can be said of hot liquids. I know quite a few people that have been badly burned. Unlike electrical shock the scars of burning last a life time. The problem is that those often injured are youngsters. Their ability to reason is not the same as adults. They don't understand the repercussions of their actions. They don't understand danger as adults do.

Your comments on religion are interesting. I appreciate your story about the lightning. In the realm of experiences it is hard to describe to someone what it feels like when a bolt of lightning strikes close by - like within 30m. It can be awe inspiring.

reply to post by Son of Will


You know this to be fact, I'm indigo and I in know way find myself superior in fact I find myself inferior. You may call me a liar but it sounds like you find yourself superior to anyone different than you. I suggest you open your mind and not be so quick to draw a false biased conclusion. No offense intended.

reply to post by JohnCreed777


How do you know you are an indigo ?