Can you prove evolution wrong

Originally posted by lr7gmx
I choose to have faith in creation and in my God. If I am right, I have everything to gain. If I am wrong, I have nothing to lose and have lived a good life.

Thanks for the post, OP.

~LR

So you believe in it, just to be safe, out of fear that it might be right? Doesn't sound like a logical reason to believe anything IMO. What if I'm right and you are doomed? Might as well adopt my belief system just in case.

reply to post by itsthetooth

Well I agree that it sounded ....... more ignorance .... more avoidance

So you cannot answer my question. I ASSUMED as much. So even our digestive systems disproves your nonsense and the fact you have no answer to it is all the evidence I need to prove you wrong.

1.Through only natural methods that he is equipped to utilize. (target food)
2.Typically through the use of excessive processes, and the non target food will not be able to provide the nourishment that he needs. As a result he will suffer a reduction in the quality of life (non target food).

Your reply of excessive processes is like everything you spout, nonsense. A digestive system digests. It does not recognise different food and then perform different processes.

Sure it does, a species processing those same nuts to try to digest them, can fail.

How does it fail? It goes in and then it comes out. You still have not explained the difference with how target food and non target food is digested in the gut.

2. With some exceptions, humans use a labratory to test what our bodys need, and to also test the food to see what its good for and its values. How do animals do it?

What nonsense. Whether food is tested or not has no bearing on how our digestive system deals with the food we eat.

So again you have replied with your low brow nonsense to avoid giving any real answer because you have no clue.

No you just werent expecting a whitty reply.

You think that ignorance is wit then you are even more ignorant than I gave you credit for. What I was expecting is an answer that you dishonestly maintain you provide and never do. Your answer here in no exception. Your poor spelling is no exception either it is witty not whitty So you failed to be witty and also failed to spell it correctly.

The theory of target food is completly backed up by the fact that species have a scheduled diet.

That's 'fantasy of target food' and I see no facts and no scheduled diet. Provide both.

I don’t have to stand in the rain to know it is raining or to deduce if I did I would get wet.

We have sent probes to other planets. We can do spectral analysis of planets in different star systems. None of the planets we know about show an atmosphere that would support human life so until we can.

I see you are not answering the point again.

'This planet has a target air that is perfect for ALL life on it. Target food cannot be shown to even exist yet we have many food sources and many consumers of that food.

Target air has a lot more going for it than target food which so far has nothing and the only way you can dispute that is supply the evidence for your nonsense claims.

DO THAT. '

This planet has a target air that is perfect for ALL life on it. Target food cannot be shown to even exist yet we have many food sources and many consumers of that food.

There is no doubt that this athmosphere is somewhat fitting for us, but thats not to say there isn't a better one.

Here you go with your religious speak. 'Fitting' Our atmosphere is perfect for ALL life on this planet. Your non answer has not addressed that.

Thoust claims target food is fitting. Yet thy target food can easily be replaced. Thou cannot say the same about target air. If thou change it with anything else a soul will perish verily.

Unlike target food, you have nothing to compare it to, or with.

Verily thy speaketh the truth. Like our lord there is only one target air and all that crawleth on the land breathes it and pays it homage.

Unlike target food that you cannot compare it too or with anything because you cannot prove it exists. I can prove many other gases exist so can compare them to oxygen with ease.

Originally posted by lr7gmx

Originally posted by colin42
I would like to pose a scenario.

Let's put all the evidence of evolution to one side for a spell. That Darwin and all that followed were mistaken as some maintain.

I would like the pro Evolution group (that includes me) to take a back seat and give the anti evolution group a chance to explain how life on this planet is the way it is now.

I am not asking how life started just an explanation of the diversity of life from the deep dark depths of the oceans to the blue skies above and pole to pole.

I would like an explanation of the fossil records but it is not essential.

As I say I would like the pro evolution group to resist comments for a while. My guess is there will be few takers but I may be suprised.

edit on Thu Sep 22 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: *misleading title, formerly was: Evolution proved 100% Wrong

I choose to have faith in creation and in my God. If I am right, I have everything to gain. If I am wrong, I have nothing to lose and have lived a good life.

Thanks for the post, OP.

~LR

Thanks for reading it, most dont.

Hey tooth

Here is a Chimp using tools, plates and cooking Are marsh mellows a Chimps target food?

Originally posted by lr7gmx
I choose to have faith in creation and in my God. If I am right, I have everything to gain. If I am wrong, I have nothing to lose and have lived a good life.

Thanks for the post, OP.

~LR

Actually, based on the exact same argument, you have everything to lose if you are believing the wrong religion. If another religion is correct instead, then you go to their eternal damnation rather than the one your own faith claims everyone else goes to.

As it is, evolution is not incompatible with belief in God. It was actually accepted by the church for a long time, and then suddenly a bunch of people started jumping on the "science is heresy" bandwagon and claimed that evolution somehow interfered with the idea that God had a plan for humans. After all, Adam and Eve is meant to be metaphorical, according to almost every Christian I know.

reply to post by Barcs

Originally posted by itsthetooth
If we didn't use it every step of the way, I would probably believe you. The problem is that some species on this planet also have some smarts, just not as much, so how would you explalin that? They just werent' supposed to live I guess.

Huh? Other creature are intelligent, but not nearly as intelligent as humans. That doesn't mean they aren't supposed to live . They are here, therefor your silly statement is false. I said that the primary survival strength of humans is intellect. For other creatures they don't need the intellect like we do as they have other features that help them adapt.

I think you missed the point.

We know our target food didn't go extinct as there would be documentation of what this food used to be.

Um, no. Written history only goes back 10,000 years or so, which is only 10% of our existence on the planet.

What rock did you recently crawl out from under. Your trying to tell me that you honestly believe that just in our recent 10% of existence, we all of a suddend decided it was important to keep records. First of all I want to know how you exactly established a timeline for our existence, then I want to know why we never had brains or desire to keep records for the other questionable years.

In addition the new food we are eating would be listed as such and such food to replace such and such food which also hasn't happened.

Keep making stuff up. It would be listed somewhere. Get outta here. Where is the documentation from the planet we came from that lists this food? Sorry man, that's a WEAK argument like everything else.

The only weak argument here is your claim that we just recently decided it was important to keep records. Thats a loaded crock, and you have no proof.

How is it we can have documentation about how we supposedly got here but nothing about food missing.

??? What documentation? The bible that clearly says man was created on earth? You need to provide this documentation instead of making up blatant lies. You still haven't sourced your bible quotes that claim we aren't from earth. Less lies, more evidence, please

You can read genesis yourself, its a classic abduction scenerio.

For god's sake man, read a biology 101 book. Senses are not abilities.

Those are good modern day books, I'm more interested in a historical book that tells it like it is, the bible.

reply to post by colin42

I can prove that there are atmosphere's on other planets just none where we can survive.

You don't know that.

I base my information on the evidence at hand. We now know of many planets and what we know of them is that they would not support our type of life.

You base your information on a fantasy you made up around a book based on a fantasy and you have the cheek to challenge my views Classic

Just like how we have never found any fossils that prove evolution has occured, I guess we will both have to keep looking. And who do you think will find what they are looking for first Colin? Evolutionary bones that are a missing link of sorts, or a new planet that can inhabit our type of life? I place my money on the planet search.

I can prove the one here on earth is just right for us and all the other life forms that share this planet with us.

You don't know that either. Your making assumptions based on your opinion, I'm not interested in your opinion.

I can prove it in 3 minutes. Isolate yourself from the target air around you and see how long you last.

In essence your saying that there is no way there could ever be other planets that could inhabit life. How ignorant can you be man? Do you honestly think we are the only life? Where the hell do you think Barny and Betty hill got the notion of being abducted way back in an unacceptable time of the early 60's?

Do you honestly think that all of these types of stories are just made up because you know, because you have never personally seen anything yourself, so you know they can't be real. Because you have seen all there is to see.
Just ignorant as hell.

As the oxygen levels are reduce our organs begin to lose function. Too much and we are poisoned. Try another experiment yourself, breath very fast for a while and see what happens, it is called hypo-ventilation.

Our intended atmosphere could be more accomodating.

Our bodies are tuned to the mixture of gases that form our atmosphere. Provide the correct amounts of oxygen via our lungs and blood for activities from sleep to vigorous exercise and all that is done instinctively

So as you can see it is not my opinion and you can prove all I have said above sitting on your chair now and doing those experiments.

If the other 5 million species here, came from other planets as well, it doesn't shock me that we all breath air. Air has no significance to it as far as I'm concearned.

Oops! your denial is showing again.

There are billions of lungs and all evolved to breath the one target air and billions of gills all evolved to breath in target water.

What a coincidence they all function just as ours do. They supply all the bodies’ requirements to maintain a healthy level of oxygen whether at work or rest and all done by instinct. Even expels carbon dioxide from the body, that gas plants have evoled to breath.

Now I have given you in one post more evidence than you have supplied for 20+ pages in your thread and 490 pages on this thread.

I see no evidence in support of target food from you anywhere. When are you going to start or do I take it you have none?

Sorry but target air has no significiance as far as I can see.

reply to post by Barcs

So you believe in it, just to be safe, out of fear that it might be right? Doesn't sound like a logical reason to believe anything IMO. What if I'm right and you are doomed? Might as well adopt my belief system just in case.

He's doing better than you are Barcs. at least he has a historical document telling him to believe or else. Compare that to how you believe in evolution and I think he has you beat.

He has documented reason and you have a new fangled belief system.

reply to post by colin42

Well I agree that it sounded ....... more ignorance .... more avoidance

So you cannot answer my question. I ASSUMED as much. So even our digestive systems disproves your nonsense and the fact you have no answer to it is all the evidence I need to prove you wrong.

Our digestive systems are not designed to work with cows milk, red meat, and many other things, but we sure process the hell out of everything to try to make it work.

1.Through only natural methods that he is equipped to utilize. (target food)
2.Typically through the use of excessive processes, and the non target food will not be able to provide the nourishment that he needs. As a result he will suffer a reduction in the quality of life (non target food).
Your reply of excessive processes is like everything you spout, nonsense. A digestive system digests. It does not recognise different food and then perform different processes

True, but it can't process food it wasn't designed to.

Sure it does, a species processing those same nuts to try to digest them, can fail.

How does it fail? It goes in and then it comes out. You still have not explained the difference with how target food and non target food is digested in the gut.

Different species are more equipped to eat different things.

That's 'fantasy of target food' and I see no facts and no scheduled diet. Provide both.

Now I know your just messing with me, its more than obvious unless you got hit with the stupid bar, that all species have a scheduled diet. You can test this by googling any species, and realizing that we know what they eat. There is no question about it, you are wrong.

I see you are not answering the point again.

'This planet has a target air that is perfect for ALL life on it. Target food cannot be shown to even exist yet we have many food sources and many consumers of that food.

Target air has a lot more going for it than target food which so far has nothing and the only way you can dispute that is supply the evidence for your nonsense claims.

I already have, and your welcome to view those on my OP and the rest of the thread.

Here you go with your religious speak. 'Fitting' Our atmosphere is perfect for ALL life on this planet. Your non answer has not addressed that.

Thoust claims target food is fitting. Yet thy target food can easily be replaced. Thou cannot say the same about target air. If thou change it with anything else a soul will perish verily.

Target air is not support by any theories so sorry.

Verily thy speaketh the truth. Like our lord there is only one target air and all that crawleth on the land breathes it and pays it homage.

Unlike target food that you cannot compare it too or with anything because you cannot prove it exists. I can prove many other gases exist so can compare them to oxygen with ease.

But you still have no proof, unlike target food having proof of other species having a scheduled diet.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
Our digestive systems are not designed to work with cows milk, red meat, and many other things, but we sure process the hell out of everything to try to make it work.

False. European digestive systems have evolved to continue producing lactase, the lactose digesting enzyme. We process it because we package and distribute it across the world. The time and events occurring in transit would allow dangerous bacteria to grow, so the processing protects people from the bacteria.

Humans also have no problem eating red meat and we can and do eat fish raw (ever hear of sushi?). The only reason it is necessary to cook it is because the meat is not directly off the animal. It is transported and distributed to the masses, therefore requiring more protections against bacteria. Otherwise, cooking meat is a method of storing it for later. We definitely have the ability to digest it naturally, however.

Seriously, do you think we can't digest things? If you're having trouble, you should see a doctor about it. Just the other day, I ate raw shrimp and cod. I guess my body is just lying to me when it digests it with enzymes that specifically break down the proteins in the food. (that was sarcasm at the end there)

reply to post by Varemia

False. European digestive systems have evolved to continue producing lactase, the lactose digesting enzyme. We process it because we package and distribute it across the world. The time and events occurring in transit would allow dangerous bacteria to grow, so the processing protects people from the bacteria.

Then you have to rule out the possibility that lactose bacteria could be geographical.

Humans also have no problem eating red meat and we can and do eat fish raw (ever hear of sushi?). The only reason it is necessary to cook it is because the meat is not directly off the animal. It is transported and distributed to the masses, therefore requiring more protections against bacteria. Otherwise, cooking meat is a method of storing it for later. We definitely have the ability to digest it naturally, however.

Unprocessed red meat stays stuck in the stomach for months.

Seriously, do you think we can't digest things? If you're having trouble, you should see a doctor about it. Just the other day, I ate raw shrimp and cod. I guess my body is just lying to me when it digests it with enzymes that specifically break down the proteins in the food. (that was sarcasm at the end there)

There are tons of things that tells us we have problems with the food we eat. Doctors, diseases, sickness, vitamins, supplements, food being fortified.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Barcs

 

So you believe in it, just to be safe, out of fear that it might be right? Doesn't sound like a logical reason to believe anything IMO. What if I'm right and you are doomed? Might as well adopt my belief system just in case.

He's doing better than you are Barcs. at least he has a historical document telling him to believe or else. Compare that to how you believe in evolution and I think he has you beat.

He has documented reason and you have a new fangled belief system.

Yep. Just as I suspected. You aren't an ancient astronaut theorist. You are a biblical creationist. You have proof that the bible is accurate? You kind of need that if you want to consider it a historical document. When are you going to post those quotes from Genesis that say we are not from earth?

Tooth, give it up man. You are just rambling, none of what you are saying has any factual basis. You just generalize everything and make stuff up to fit your fantasy world. It's obvious in every statement you make that you have no clue what you are talking about. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I just don't understand the need to make up blatant lies. I thought that was against the terms of service here.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
Then you have to rule out the possibility that lactose bacteria could be geographical.

It's the lactase enzyme, you dunce. All humans produce it as babies in order to digest our mothers' milk, like all mammals on Earth. Europeans have simply evolved to not stop producing the enzyme.

Unprocessed red meat stays stuck in the stomach for months.

That's a downright lie. I guess this guy doesn't exist in your mind? Or is his food staying in his stomach for months by some magic storage system?

theprimalparent.com...

There are tons of things that tells us we have problems with the food we eat. Doctors, diseases, sickness, vitamins, supplements, food being fortified.

Doctors are primarily for age and genetic factors that would normally be weeded out by the death of the organism. Vitamins are for people who just don't eat right, nothing to do with our natural ability. Food is fortified because our processing removes nutrients a lot of the time.

reply to post by Barcs

Yep. Just as I suspected. You aren't an ancient astronaut theorist. You are a biblical creationist. You have proof that the bible is accurate? You kind of need that if you want to consider it a historical document. When are you going to post those quotes from Genesis that say we are not from earth?

I already made it clear that I'm not going to quote parts of the bible, that you would have to come to this a little more prepared. I'm not going to read your bible for you. There is more than one place in the bible that makes it more than clear that earth is not our home.

If you dont already know about these (even though I have posted them many times in other threads) then you came unprepared.

Tooth, give it up man. You are just rambling, none of what you are saying has any factual basis. You just generalize everything and make stuff up to fit your fantasy world. It's obvious in every statement you make that you have no clue what you are talking about. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I just don't understand the need to make up blatant lies. I thought that was against the terms of service here

Ok look, I will explain this for the last time.

Here is a perfectly good example of target food, at work...

Anteater

Anteaters are specialized to feed on ants and termites, each anteater species having its own insect preferences: small species are specialized on arboreal insects living on small branches, while large species can penetrate the hard covering of the nests of terrestrial insects.

As you can see from this example, its very clear that we know what anteaters eat. There is nothing in here about them trying different foods, or venturing off the menu, we know what they eat, so much so that it's safe to say that they too know what they eat.

Now just so that there is no confusion, lets try another one...


rattlesnake

Rattlesnakes consume mice, rats, small birds and other small animals,[10] playing an important ecological role by limiting the size of rodent populations, which prevents crop damage and stabilizes ecosystems

So again, as you can see, wiki is still able to give a concise diet of a given species. These species target these foods for what we are going to call un unknown reason.

Its not because of taste because we don't seem them experiementing on what they might like with taste.
It's not evolution because there has to be a prior knowledge somehow being transfered to the new species telling them what they are supppose to eat.
It is intelligent for sure.
You can't even assume that species are just eating whatever they can because we once again fail to see any of them experimenting with food.
It's clearly part of design.
If evolution was responsable for this then there would have to be the transfer of technical information to the new species containing prior knowledge of what the species is suppose to eat.

Lets check out one more in case you still don't get this...

ring tailed lemur

DietThe ring-tailed lemur is an opportunistic omnivore primarily eating fruits and leaves, particularly those of the tamarind tree (Tamarindus indica), known natively as kily.[22][31] When available, tamarind makes up as much as 50% of the diet, especially during the dry, winter season.[22] The ring-tailed lemur eats from as many as three dozen different plant species, and its diet includes flowers, herbs, bark and sap. It has been observed eating decayed wood, earth, spider webs, insect cocoons, arthropods (spiders, caterpillars, cicadas and grasshoppers) and small vertebrates (birds and chameleons).[22] During the dry season it becomes increasingly opportunistic

As you can see, once again, there is no question about what a species eats. There is no second guessing, and nothing that leads us to believe that the strict diet doesn't appy to the entire species. Again the only problem I ever had with wiki on this matter is when you don't narrow a subspecies down.

The fact that a species has a strict diet proves intelligence. Even if evolution did the transfer of the information which programs them to know what to eat, its still intelligent, there is no two ways about it, its the sharing of technical information.

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Here is another video of bonobos living in an Iowa sanctuary observed making stone tools.
www.wired.com...

reply to post by Varemia

Originally posted by itsthetooth
Then you have to rule out the possibility that lactose bacteria could be geographical.


It's the lactase enzyme, you dunce. All humans produce it as babies in order to digest our mothers' milk, like all mammals on Earth. Europeans have simply evolved to not stop producing the enzyme

Well I'm sure it wasn't from evolution but from someother cause just like ADHD changing our genes, and being looked at as though it was evolution.

Unprocessed red meat stays stuck in the stomach for months.


That's a downright lie. I guess this guy doesn't exist in your mind? Or is his food staying in his stomach for months by some magic storage system?

No I heard growing up as a kid that unprocessed meat in small amounts was traced to get stuck in your stomach for months.

There are tons of things that tells us we have problems with the food we eat. Doctors, diseases, sickness, vitamins, supplements, food being fortified.


Doctors are primarily for age and genetic factors that would normally be weeded out by the death of the organism. Vitamins are for people who just don't eat right, nothing to do with our natural ability. Food is fortified because our processing removes nutrients a lot of the time

Then why are we processing it, it is our food isn't it?

Originally posted by itsthetooth
Well I'm sure it wasn't from evolution but from someother cause just like ADHD changing our genes, and being looked at as though it was evolution.

Any change in DNA that gets passed on is technically evolution. How do you not understand this yet?

No I heard growing up as a kid that unprocessed meat in small amounts was traced to get stuck in your stomach for months.

So your parents' anecdotes are more valid than people actually living off raw meat and not getting sick? It's more valid than scientific studies?

Then why are we processing it, it is our food isn't it?

I already explained this. Food is processed so that we can store it for longer periods and transport it great distances safely. If you want to find unprocessed food, check out your local farmer's market. Their stuff tastes better anyway, and many argue that unprocessed food is way better for your general health.

Originally posted by itsthetooth
I already made it clear that I'm not going to quote parts of the bible, that you would have to come to this a little more prepared. I'm not going to read your bible for you. There is more than one place in the bible that makes it more than clear that earth is not our home.

If you dont already know about these (even though I have posted them many times in other threads) then you came unprepared.

So you'll reference the bible as a source and historical document, but you won't quote it or prove that it's true. Your quotes don't exist. If it's clear as day like you say, then prove it. It's not that hard if you are familiar with it. But alas, you are making it up as you go and aren't backing anything up. You just ramble on and on. No Tooth, we don't have written recorded history before 10,000 BC, and certainly not as far back as 100,000 BC. Don't just make stuff up saying that it should be documented.

If target food is real and you can't tell whether or not the food is extinct, how does it prove whether a creature is from earth? You still haven't justified that. If target food is a real concept, then it should be found in millions of species, not just 3 where you have to twist the facts around just to make it fit your definition. I'm willing to bet if I studied any of the creature you just listed, I will find they have variety in their diets that you ignored.

Anteater:

Ha. That didn't take long.

www.ehow.com...

Ant eaters also eat grubs. Now you mentioned before that humans have to perform redundant tasks to get their food but the ant eater has to eat around 30-50 thousand insects a day to survive. How can you possibly call that a target food when they have to gorge themselves just to get the nutrients needed? Wasn't that your issue with getting calcium from non milk sources? You also asked before why ant eaters know to eat ants rather than trees. It says it right in the link, they can smell them. They don't just magically know to eat ants, they smell and taste good.

Rattlesnake is a terrible example because they eat several types of animals. According to you, target food needs to be specific. Why would a rattlesnake have to eat a bird, a flying creature. It makes no sense, he's a ground dweller! The rattlesnake must not be from earth. The space ship (aka noah's ark) must have been a fun place. Rattlesnake eat them because they are hungry and need to survive. That's how nature works!

Its not because of taste because we don't seem them experiementing on what they might like with taste.

Yes we do! They experiment by eating ANYTHING they can digest!

It's not evolution because there has to be a prior knowledge somehow being transfered to the new species telling them what they are supppose to eat.

Nope. They eat what they can to survive. They don't magically know.

It is intelligent for sure.
You can't even assume that species are just eating whatever they can because we once again fail to see any of them experimenting with food.

Hey boys and girls. Lying is fun. Any animal from earth only eats 1 specific type of food that's easy for them to get and provides them with all essential nutrients! C'mon man. Creature go off their normal diet CONSTANTLY in the wild. Watch the lion video.

DietThe ring-tailed lemur is an opportunistic omnivore primarily eating fruits and leaves, particularly those of the tamarind tree (Tamarindus indica), known natively as kily.[22][31] When available, tamarind makes up as much as 50% of the diet, especially during the dry, winter season.[22] The ring-tailed lemur eats from as many as three dozen different plant species, and its diet includes flowers, herbs, bark and sap. It has been observed eating decayed wood, earth, spider webs, insect cocoons, arthropods (spiders, caterpillars, cicadas and grasshoppers) and small vertebrates (birds and chameleons).[22] During the dry season it becomes increasingly opportunistic

As you can see, once again, there is no question about what a species eats. There is no second guessing, and nothing that leads us to believe that the strict diet doesn't appy to the entire species. Again the only problem I ever had with wiki on this matter is when you don't narrow a subspecies down.

As you can see, once again, the lemur eats what it eats. Are you serious about. He's an omnivore and has a diet that includes almost everything! Which one of those listed foods is the target food? You try, but you fail.. and it's funny.

The fact that a species has a strict diet proves intelligence.

So fact now means a word that tooth made up? No creature has a strict diet. They eat what they can and want to eat. If it smells good, tastes good and gives them energy, they eat it. It's really simply and humorous that you pretend not to understand this.

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So you'll reference the bible as a source and historical document, but you won't quote it or prove that it's true. Your quotes don't exist. If it's clear as day like you say, then prove it. It's not that hard if you are familiar with it. But alas, you are making it up as you go and aren't backing anything up. You just ramble on and on. No Tooth, we don't have written recorded history before 10,000 BC, and certainly not as far back as 100,000 BC. Don't just make stuff up saying that it should be documented.

I'm not going to quote bible parts knowing full on that all of you are just going to turn around after I go through the trouble and say that the bible is not a historical document, when you know that it is.

If target food is real and you can't tell whether or not the food is extinct, how does it prove whether a creature is from earth? You still haven't justified that. If target food is a real concept, then it should be found in millions of species, not just 3 where you have to twist the facts around just to make it fit your definition. I'm willing to bet if I studied any of the creature you just listed, I will find they have variety in their diets that you ignored.

If you are able to rule out extinctions, as an example, and you are found to not have any target food, then you obviously aren't from here. Where is your food?

Ant eaters also eat grubs. Now you mentioned before that humans have to perform redundant tasks to get their food but the ant eater has to eat around 30-50 thousand insects a day to survive. How can you possibly call that a target food when they have to gorge themselves just to get the nutrients needed? Wasn't that your issue with getting calcium from non milk sources? You also asked before why ant eaters know to eat ants rather than trees. It says it right in the link, they can smell them. They don't just magically know to eat ants, they smell and taste good.

Only because they are rounded with other things that he needs as well.

Your looking at this from the perspective of me trying to find our intended calcium source, which isn't here, rather than finding one that fits, you would also find it has other needed benefits as well, provided it is a target food.

Rattlesnake is a terrible example because they eat several types of animals. According to you, target food needs to be specific. Why would a rattlesnake have to eat a bird, a flying creature. It makes no sense, he's a ground dweller! The rattlesnake must not be from earth. The space ship (aka noah's ark) must have been a fun place. Rattlesnake eat them because they are hungry and need to survive. That's how nature works!

Yes scavenger diets are a sign that something is very wrong, however the point was that even with that, we still know what he eats.

Its not because of taste because we don't seem them experiementing on what they might like with taste.
Yes we do! They experiment by eating ANYTHING they can digest!

Find me a wiki on a species that claims the species doesn't know what hes eating.

It's not evolution because there has to be a prior knowledge somehow being transfered to the new species telling them what they are supppose to eat.

Nope. They eat what they can to survive. They don't magically know

If they are just eating to survive, then how do they know? I have to use a labratory to find out whats healthy for me, how do they do it?

It is intelligent for sure.
You can't even assume that species are just eating whatever they can because we once again fail to see any of them experimenting with food.

Hey boys and girls. Lying is fun. Any animal from earth only eats 1 specific type of food that's easy for them to get and provides them with all essential nutrients! C'mon man. Creature go off their normal diet CONSTANTLY in the wild. Watch the lion video.

first of all I never said it was just one food. Second I already claimed that I was on the fence about scavengers.

As you can see, once again, the lemur eats what it eats. Are you serious about. He's an omnivore and has a diet that includes almost everything! Which one of those listed foods is the target food? You try, but you fail.. and it's funny.

Well tamarind obviously, and hes obviously missing something in his diet. At least your able to see that.

The fact that a species has a strict diet proves intelligence.

So fact now means a word that tooth made up? No creature has a strict diet. They eat what they can and want to eat. If it smells good, tastes good and gives them energy, they eat it. It's really simply and humorous that you pretend not to understand this

But its clear they don't. The lemur doesn't eat bats, and why not? He

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The fact that a species has a strict diet proves intelligence.

So fact now means a word that tooth made up? No creature has a strict diet. They eat what they can and want to eat. If it smells good, tastes good and gives them energy, they eat it. It's really simply and humorous that you pretend not to understand this

He doesn't eat snails, he doesn't eat birds, he doesn't eat turtles, he doesn't eat frogs.

And why not, because he has a strict diet. As I have already proven, you are once again, WRONG.