Day Of Mild Annoyance

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Janky Red

 

nope, the socailists are protesting the capitalists (aka big banks and wall street)

Don't get me wrong, I believe the Fed is corrupt but the Soros connection to this protest is what ruins it. Soros is an International Socialist, and there are ties to Unions besides.

But you also harbor the belief that the socialists are running the banking system too.

So why don't you let the socialists destroy their socialist undercover people, so the the capitalists
can win? If you analyzed what you say, just since yesterday, you would realize that you have
given the role of socialist to everyone that harbors power in society. Is there any sense to it, or
is like how Brigham Young framed LDS?

Again, you realize that you conservatives are taking side with TPTB, the FED and even the government.

All three would be shaken up by exposing the crime they engage in, but really you are the agent of
the same, yet you advertise the opposite, all of you do, less a few here...

No, I have observed that George Soros, an International Socialist and filthy rich person used the Capitalist system to bring economic chaos to the market for the purpose of destabilization besides just the obvious personal profit. I cannot support anything with the Soros connection. He has abused the system and probably a lot of these protestors think they are protesting the bad guys here, but Soros' intentions have clearly been to destabilize capitalist markets to produce a socialist Utopia worldwide. This is not a new thing with socialists. I am not saying that Intl bankers on wall street are pure by any means. History shows that these types have classically funded revolotuions all over. Let us not forget either that Soros stole from the Jews on behalf of the German Nazis. He has publicly justified his actions. It is classic ends justifying the means.

I know this is going to really hit the hot button for some here...Soros is not the only one involved. Indications are this guy named Lerner, and they are also using the old Ayers/weatherman Day of rage moniker, and now for the fun....from Glenn Becks The Blaze
www.theblaze.com...

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I keep repeating the same thing to you and Beez and Neo and ACE

I will tell you, I don't want Communism, I would fit just as hard as you, you seem to think very poorly
of you American brothers.

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
-Hermann Göring

reply to post by Janky Red


You say you don't want communism, but if I understand things, you are a bit on the Chomsky anarchist socilalist libertarian side of things. You may think that they are entirely different things, but it's like saying there is a difference between potato leek soup and potato bean soup...but they both have potatoes....so,,,, they are variations of the same thing really.


Which American brothers are you referring to in your last post? What I know is that hard core communists and socialists have been working below the radar on their ideas of the perfect Utopian society. It has been going on for decades. Many of my American brothers simply did not know or understand what was happening behind the scenes.
rick Perry bwas right when he said that SS was a ponzi scheme. That was set up also to increase the control of govt under the guise of helping people save their money for retirement. Why did Big Brother feel the need to do that? They did it because they wanted the money up front to grow govt. It is the same thing with the current occupants. I oppose that.
I think the pictures of someone giving to a guy with one hand and stealing his money out of his pocket with his other hand is hilarious but so true about Big Brother. My opinion has nothing to do with the Koch bros or any other such nonsense the left has cooked up.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Janky Red

 

You say you don't want communism, but if I understand things, you are a bit on the Chomsky anarchist socilalist libertarian side of things. You may think that they are entirely different things, but it's like saying there is a difference between potato leek soup and potato bean soup...but they both have potatoes....so,,,, they are variations of the same thing really.

My name is a joke because over zealous people accuse me of being a Commie


I am not, I am a centrist



who think illegal immigration should be halted

believe in the 2nd amendment

I believe government is too big

I think some corporations are too powerful

I love Adam Smith

and I love Ben Franklin most of all


YOU are being guided by the community you associate with

I am a lone idiot, just me, I have 2 friends here on this site, I don't associate with material based upon
its slant or bias.

I am on your side, and I will tell you, when it comes to corporate proliferation, you are dead
wrong.

reply to post by LilDudeissocool


Look fella, the Koch brothers have nothing to do with what Tea Party members think about the current occupant of the WH or his policies or those around him. The Koch brothers did not tell me what is wrong with socialism, and they didn't tell me that the healthcare scam Congress passed is a piece of legislative train wreck.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Janky Red

 

You say you don't want communism, but if I understand things, you are a bit on the Chomsky anarchist socilalist libertarian side of things. You may think that they are entirely different things, but it's like saying there is a difference between potato leek soup and potato bean soup...but they both have potatoes....so,,,, they are variations of the same thing really.

My name is a joke because over zealous people accuse me of being a Commie


I am not, I am a centrist



who think illegal immigration should be halted

believe in the 2nd amendment

I believe government is too big

I think some corporations are too powerful

I love Adam Smith

and I love Ben Franklin most of all


YOU are being guided by the community you associate with

I am a lone idiot, just me, I have 2 friends here on this site, I don't associate with material based upon
its slant or bias.

I am on your side, and I will tell you, when it comes to corporate proliferation, you are dead
wrong.

ummm ok

So you think that all my ideas about life and politics are shaped by my associalion with the Tea Party? You have it the other way around. I associated with the Tea Party because they were opposed to socialism and overspending and excessive taxation and wanted to adhere to the Founding Fathers. They still espouse limited govt regardless of what the overblown media says. But instead of crashing the stock market like these anarchists at Wall Street, we think that voting in people to represent us is a good way to work with the Constitutional govt our Founding Fathers set up for us, and for that Janet Napolitano called us terrorists and the MSM slandered us.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Just an observation but I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% or more of the people participating and supporting these "Days of Rage" have checking and saving accounts with the "Big" banks. I constantly suggest to friends and family who complain about it to switch to credit unions and they always come back saying how convenient their current banking is.

I'm not immune either. I've been a fierce advocate of credit union membership and avoiding the major banks for years. Recently, as part of my new employment, I was signed up for an HSA.....through Wells Fargo (grrrrrrrr!!). I went to my credit union and they don't offer HSAs so instead of dumping it, I've kept it (I'd rather get the tax break) and was disgusted to see a $3.75/month maintenance fee. We can't win.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

So you think that all my ideas about life and politics are shaped by my associalion with the Tea Party? You have it the other way around.

No, if you constantly seek one kind of opinion, you will limit yourself to that perspective.

I am against cap and trade, you know why???

Because it is just another scam, sent to shake down the people in our country, it will not solve
pollution (which is the real MOTIVE liberals hide, you know, those motives, you "can't" reveal)
It is misguided, wrong and I HATE THE ALTERER MOTIVE, so I oppose it.

WHO CONVINCED ME?

CONSERVATIVES

I associated with the Tea Party because they were opposed to socialism and overspending and excessive taxation and wanted to adhere to the Founding Fathers.

I understand that, although I think,
just like with cap and trade, there is a lot of shady motives going on, which is what producing the
same dislike for me.

They still espouse limited govt regardless of what the overblown media says.

I am for limited government, but in politician land, that often means limiting the specific portions
that prevent cronyism so that corruption can go on uncontested. Like making a criminal offense
legal in specific circumstances, such as in the case of a business concept.
Of course, each case is different...

But instead of crashing the stock market like these anarchists at Wall Street

these guys aren't going do anything, they are the kids the Tea Party claims it is trying to protect
in the long term fiscal picture, come on...

we think that voting in people to represent us is a good way to work with the Constitutional govt our Founding Fathers set up for us, and for that Janet Napolitano called us terrorists and the MSM slandered us.

I think you have a pack of wolves on that primary stage less two,

Most of those guys and gal will not hesitate to drop another Trillion in the name of protecting us from
evil doers, create new departments, budgets and policies designed to "manage" threats.

When Bush handed over the country to Obama, the ATS conservatives disappeared overnight, I think
they were hurt and embarrassed, I don't blame them. However, I am telling you as a man, Ron Paul
and Huntsmen are the only two honest people you have running, the rest smell like W and his
non conservative ambitions. Take that to the bank

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I would say people like me and Janky Red want communism as much as people like you, beezer and neo96 want fascism. Both extreme ends of the spectrum that none of us want to do down. So you saying following the likes of Chomsky is akin to being a communist, I could say you guys following the tea party is akin to fascism.

Throwing extremities at each other gets us no where and drives a bigger wedge between us all.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

I have to disagree. "Perry" is not "our guy". Koch Bros. never sent me a check. And we don't follow a set narritive.

You mean to say Perry is not your guy personally, and you are disconnected from Tea Party movement orgs where you as an independent individual do not follow any set narrative? If not whom would be the others as you state "we?" Do you caucus with others within side the movement which would provide you with the knowledge to use the term "we?" Or are you speaking as one using the term "we" to espouse values and primary candidate selections you prefer?


Allow me to elaborate on what guides "we" within the Tea party movement and other conservative movements in the past along with how a presidential nominee is actually selected way before they even become candidates for president:


The Larry Hagman character in the movie Nixon is based primarily on David and Charles Koch and their father Fred. Even though it's a fictional composite character supposedly made up of several powerful influential people at the time as I believe mentioned in the DvD commentary and other interviews by Oliver Stone who made the movie. However if you research who had the most influence on Nixon through financial backing it was the Koch-s. Same with Reagan. Not the Bush family for some reason. Oddly enough they backed Clinton in '92.

These types of meetings are not fictional... they do happen in real life

(Unlike certain "staged" events taking place on Wall Street)
The Tea Party is being constantly derfined by those like yourself who only see a very narrow definition of who we are and what we do. You're actually parroting talking points from Mediamatters, Huffpo and such because that is what you're told to believe.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by LilDudeissocool You, sir, couldn't be more wrong.

Well I have been a right wing Republican insider for many years now. I was their when this scheme to create what was later to be called the Tea party movement was hatched. I'm still an insider. however my personal view points have moderated.

The reason that people are focusing on the Koch brothers as of late could be because like myself my have been snitching in the past several years on them to political and economic opposition. people like myself feel more secure about the world when there is balance in it. We don't like to see the scales tip to far toward either side.

Let me predict this if you think I'm full of it. Hilary Clinton will become president of the World Bank. Think back to this post when she does.become president of the World Bank.

My guess is all and all that you do not care for Perry, and you identify with the Tea Party, but you are major financial sponsor of it nor did you help found the movement. You are not Davis nor Charles. You are not heading nor helping to guide the inner circle through close consultation to any Tea Party movement org like Americans for Prosperity. The primary org that steers the movement. So you have no hand on the helm of the ship so to speak. You can stay aboard or you can get off of the ship, but you cannot navigate it. You don't have the money and influence required to do so nor inflectional accessibility to such people. Bottom line you personally do not matter to the movement therefor you really can't speak for the entire Tea Party movement. You are merely speaking for yourself as an individual who identifies with some core Tea Party movement values.

"Money money money it's a rich man's world" And you aren't rich enough for your say to have any meaningful impact on the Tea Party movement.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

Look fella, the Koch brothers have nothing to do with what Tea Party members think about the current occupant of the WH or his policies or those around him. The Koch brothers did not tell me what is wrong with socialism, and they didn't tell me that the healthcare scam Congress passed is a piece of legislative train wreck.

Yes they did. They cultivated your mind over time with their brand of conservative news and commentary. Who do you think financed Murdoch's media Empire?

reply to post by wills120


I don't know what the answer is here, but not socialism. That I can say. I am sick of the banking industry too, all the fees and such. Fees on all sorts of banking products have risen exhorbitantly. I just don't have faith in big government. I also would like to see a change in attitude in the sense that giant corporations have too much power and the mom and pop stores are suffereing. Small business needs to be nurtured via true free enterprise. I think a lot of the people protesting also don't know what the true answer is, from the sound of it, they don't even have a list of demands yet. I am just worried about the unseen forces behind it and the promotion of socialism as the solution. Teh thing is that people seem to hope that more govt can control all things that people do and that is Totalitarianism. I think if people thought about it they would realize that Totalitarianism is more of what they dont want. I have been watching the chat log on the livestream and there is definitely a cacophany of voice.
It's possible that the phoenix truly can rise from the ashes.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

Look fella, the Koch brothers have nothing to do with what Tea Party members think about the current occupant of the WH or his policies or those around him. The Koch brothers did not tell me what is wrong with socialism, and they didn't tell me that the healthcare scam Congress passed is a piece of legislative train wreck.

Yes they did. They cultivated your mind over time with their brand of conservative news and commentary. Who do you think financed Murdoch's media Empire?

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lol ok you should know better who molded my mind than I do...lololrofllmao

Originally posted by beezzer


Corporations follow the laws written by politicians. If they are taking advantage of those laws, then the lawmakers need to change them.

The problem is that there are now super packs and K. Street lobbyist which make such corrective legislative change impossible.

reply to post by LilDudeissocool

I can't understand why it is so important for the progressives to define someone or something.
You tell us what we believe, you make claims that you know what we say, think, do.

And it's all a huge fail on your part.

Keep believing whatever it is that you believe. I refuse to "fit" into your narrow definition or narritive.

To the main point of this thread, if this were a "universal" protest, then there'd be more people out there than what there is. But a narrow-minded belief system, produces narrow-minded people who just so happen to cling together.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

lol ok you should know better who molded my mind than I do...lololrofllmao

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You are most certainly unaware that subtle suggestive propaganda has cultivated your mind incrementally overtime dissimulated by conservative media outlets and talking heads spawned from think tanks funded by very wealthy conservative parties designed to protect their financial interests. otherwise you would not hold the views you do.

Same is true on the left.

reply to post by beezzer


I'm a moderate, not a progressive.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I would say people like me and Janky Red want communism as much as people like you, beezer and neo96 want fascism. Both extreme ends of the spectrum that none of us want to do down. So you saying following the likes of Chomsky is akin to being a communist, I could say you guys following the tea party is akin to fascism.

Throwing extremities at each other gets us no where and drives a bigger wedge between us all.

I just observe the way people post. When people rail at me about the Tea Party I know they don't really know what the Tea Party is about( except one guy here claimed that he had been to one and he still insists its been hijacked by Koch bros). Frankly I think the whole Koch bros thing came after Media Matters and MoveOn got exposed as Soros operatives and they just came back at us with the Koch thing. I can admit I don't mind if some rich guys help out. But it's not the same thing as the whole MoveOn propaganda. Tea Party is genuine grassroots with people who want limited govt.
We will see how all this plays out.

I believe that if we all could see with the Universal Mind of God, that it would be seen that a certan someone is not a true representative of the people.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

lol ok you should know better who molded my mind than I do...lololrofllmao

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You are most certainly unaware that subtle suggestive propaganda has cultivated your mind incrementally overtime dissimulated by conservative media outlets and talking heads spawned from think tanks funded by very wealthy conservative parties designed to protect their financial interests. otherwise you would not hold the views you do.

Same is true on the left.

You don't know what has affected me and what has not. I find it really interesting that so many people want to tell me these things, that I don't know this or that thing. I am perfectly aware of the effects of subliminal advertising on people, and also the effects of Hollywood. I find myself dissecting everything I see in media, particularly Hollywood. So, no you are not going to put the brainwashed stereotype on me.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


It's not a product of subliminal advertising, it's a product of subtle propaganda that is designed to persuade a person overtime toward embracing a certain agenda. "Recruiting useful idiots" is what it's called in the industry. Look up who coined that phrase?

Example:

Step 1 You should hate class warfare because the rich create jobs.

Step 2 Don't tax the rich, it's class warfare.

Step 3 Class warfare is a Marxist goal to take over America.

Step 4 An extremist is born. The person can now be told anything, and it will be accepted as fact.

Step 4 is universal and is always the last step both on the right and the left.

Opposing example:

Step 1 Public school teachers should have tenure and not have to compete with charter schools because it's patriotic to support our teachers and other public employees.

Step 2 Public employees deserve higher pay because it's the patriotic thing to do.

Step 3 Republicans hate America because they want to slowdown teacher pay increases and the salary and benefits of other public employees. They don't want poor and middle class to have a chance in life with a free education. The rich only want their kids to succeed and have the poor kids serve their wealthy kids in adulthood. It's a modern day slavery plan. Because Republicans hate the middle class and the poor, and that means they hate you too. So don't listen to the haters. They lie. They want to destroy you. They are only out for themselves and their social economic kind.

Step 4 An extremist is born. The person can now be told anything, and it will be accepted as fact.

Most people who have been persuaded to believe the first set of steps I exampled in short are not rich, and odds are have lost their job or are under paid at their job if they have one because their counterpart in China has under cut their would be pay if their was not such a thing as so called free trade. The propaganda victim has been conditioned to believe that government regulation, taxing the rich (the very little they do pay currently) and unions have caused him or her to lose their job. That repeating the same pro billionaire policies that got us all in this economic mess is sane. I could write the same sort of paragraph for the second set of steps as I did in this one, but why? You could write it.


Do you know what the popular slang definition of insanity is?


Both the right and the left want desperately to repeat their same mistakes over again for the sake of wanting to prove their ideology correct. People hate to be wrong, but admitting when we are is the refreshing rain that can truly grows America.

I get so tired of this switch flipping mentality.

Up versus Down, Left versus Right.

Truth is, we do best when neither 'side' gets exactly what they want.

Think 'Socialism' is evil?

Don't send your kid to school, then.

And fire all the cops in your town.

Think Capitalism is 'evil'?

Let America become a third world country, and see how much you like waiting in line for hours for bread.

Neither Side Is 'Correct.'

Listen to each other, and grow up.

We don't have any more time for all this vanity...