Day Of Mild Annoyance

Originally posted by 46ACE

" I would never join any organization that would have me as a member..." (groucho marx)

"Janky;Janky;Janky..."
Planned and approved ("spontaneous") demonstrations.

If they were really gonna do anything effective to embarrass wall st types; do you think tptb (authorities) would give permits and approvals?
At least when the Dnc convention was protested in Minnesota (IIrc?) the cops searched and busted a few homes boarding demonstrators( remember finding buckets of urine?) . and charged them.

How (real) can any protest be when it is organized;controlled; and the date advertised.?
(perhaps sponsored by pepsi or Nike?)

It would be incredibly naive to think the Govt didn't have a direct line into the inside of such an organization.( Intel going out and influence or instructions going in).

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Interesting... By that measure, The Tea Party and their members would fall under the same classification.

I see your point.

I can only applaud the individuals that are sensible enough to dedicate their time towards exposing
an institution I am at odds with.

Originally posted by neo96
this thread was brought to you by:

capilalism
corporations

and everything in between and money.....

hate em all they want without them where would you be people are so blinded by hatred they cant see the forest for the trees

Falling back on the same old tired retorts. Just admit that your wrong and stop bringing the same failed arguments to the threads.

I actually don't have anything against capitalism or corporations but they are what they are.

reply to post by daskakik


yeah failed competition

and yeah every corporations started out as millionaires and billionaires.

and just have money handed to them hand over fist.

hey go ask the site owner how many hoops he had to jump through to bring people this website

because all the anti corporate types are pushing for is more of the same.

reply to post by neo96

and the government has done such a bang up job so far with over half this country dependents of the government with no other means of support.

Every single time I read one of your posts, neo96, I find you harder and harder to take seriously. I know for an absolutely certain fact that you will never provide evidence that 155 million Americans are welfare bums with no other income. It is not in your interest to back up any of your increasingly absurd claims with evidence or facts. Your rhetoric exists to goad liberals and moderates and to win accolades from ATS' large population of nutters and anti-government paranoids (how do you guys get internet access from your survivalist shacks?). There is nothing of substance here.

This day of rage, whatever it's called, is at least as [in]effective as Glenn Beck's "LET'S TAKE CIVIL RIGHTS BACK FROM BL... GOVERNMENT" protest. American civil unrest ain't what it used to be in the days of general strikes and trust-busters at the turn of the last century.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik

 

yeah failed competition

and yeah every corporations started out as millionaires and billionaires.

and just have money handed to them hand over fist.

hey go ask the site owner how many hoops he had to jump through to bring people this website

because all the anti corporate types are pushing for is more of the same.

You make no sense. Failed competition? What are you talking about?

I never said anything about what companies have to do to operate so you must be addressing the wrong poster.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


www.usdebtclock.org...

yeak alright havent read too much then becuase i have posted this link time and time agian.

us population 310 million

us number of officially employed 112 million

numbered of unemployed 24 million

number of the us "work force" 139 million

social security receipients: 65 million

food stampers and welfare :45 million

take a look at household assest 58 trillion

take a look at corporate assets 15 trillion

so whats the math say when you add up all the welfare around 135 million who are dependents of the government.

all this anti corporate crap when what where those household and corporate assets agian?

but by all means dont bothering looking it up for yourself too much work involved

people just have to be spoon fed so they can dismiss it at their leisure

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Indeed. The world corruption index of the U.N. shows that Capitalist countries have the lowest corruption whereas socialist countries have the highest levels corruption. That makes sense, since corruption-based systems rarely survive over longer periods of time.

To be honest I am not really interested with their assessment, as it does little to to explain the
specific corruption and series of events that initiated the events of 2008. Those events and
agents responsible, are at the core of my ire...

I am neither an advocate for socialism or the manifestation of whatever the meta industries are
considered these days.I think you are mistaken to think that citing fault in one instance is
an attempt to evoke the polar opposite force.

But embracing false ideas about Business in America will forward your descent.

Explain these false ideas I harbor, my ideas on individual business varies depending on the business
itself. Just because I think that the majority of large banks are crooked as hulahoop does not mean
that I am trying to incite a Communist revolution.

I must ask, why are so many ATS members afraid of upholding legal principle when it applied to
the halls of power???

What threatens you about addressing corruption and corrupt mechanisms in the banking system?

No. They`ll gain more by learning the basics of math than by shouting around in the streets. But each to his own.

Why do you have contempt for these particular protestors? Interesting that you lash me for generalities,
but swiftly attack and dismiss the entire intellectual capacity of a whole group. I suspect the vessel
strength capacity of one individual, while I suspect the honesty and good faith of a few others.
But I cannot say that all need to engage in rudimentary education, even in my anger.

again

What threatens you about addressing corruption and corrupt mechanisms in the banking system?

reply to post by neo96

food stampers and welfare :45 million

...

so whats the math say when you add up all the welfare around 70 million who are dependents of the government.

It says that 15% of Americans are on welfare. It says that you do not know basic math.

reply to post by SmedleyBurlap


great dismiiss those other millions who cant survive without

a government check

Originally posted by Janky Red
What threatens you about addressing corruption and corrupt mechanisms in the banking system?

Nothing. They are being addressed every day by millions of eyes-on. We live in a society that cant wait to get a sensationalist "breaking news" story out of someones demise. We have a hundred thousand lawyers peering down bankers and business peoples necks looking for something to fault and cash in on. We have literally Billions of amateur-researchers now roaming the internet. There has been and will continue to be plenty of investigation.

But if those protestors dont do their math and also know virtually nothing of how the world works than what they read on Blogs from other people who dont know how the world works, they wont have the intellectual strength to help create the change that is supposedly needed.

Look at Enron...not even they themselves knew they were dysfunctional because nobody understood the math.

Why do you have contempt for these particular protestors?

Not contempt. Compassion. Like one would have compassion toward a child that doesnt understand the first thing about anything.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SmedleyBurlap

 

great dismiiss those other millions who cant survive without
a government check

I bet many of those could survive without a government check if they had to and even easily if capitalism actually existed in the US.

Instead you have big corps influencing law makers to make it hard/expensive for small business owners to operate.

Still not seeing it?

They even have you saying that if it wasn't for them we would still be living in caves. As if nothing existed before the idea of incorporation came about.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Look at Enron...not even they themselves knew they were dysfunctional because nobody understood the math.

i say the same thing about government

reply to post by daskakik


when you add the other special interests of this country

then i might acutally start listening to you but i hear nothing but defeaning slience about unions or anyone else.

waste of postings tho never been one to bow to peer pressure and jump on the hatred bandwagon

because whats the solution just get people to hate on corporations

people dont read what i write what i am agianst is power and controlling legistation of wealth but they evil they need to be bannished and need more control.

people dont like to be told what to do but have no problems telling others

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Nothing. They are being addressed every day by millions of eyes-on.

IMO, "millions of eyes-on" is indicative of the physical lethargy that keeps the status quo safe and comfortable.
I the pacification of humanity, through the eyes-on metric, does very little to challenge the populace or
the buggers who need their butts kicked every now and again.

We live in a society that cant wait to get a sensationalist "breaking news" story out of someones demise. We have a hundred thousand lawyers peering down bankers and business peoples necks looking for something to fault and cash in on.

I don't disagree, but I think all of these thinks does very little to neutralize the valid and real disfunction
that leads to the greatest, global recession ever engineered. I don't like that so many people are so heavily
medicated with Pharma products, however, that dislike does nothing to change the existence of illness
or the fact that people are free to decide.

We have literally Billions of amateur-researchers now roaming the internet. There has been and will continue to be plenty of investigation.

OK

But if those protestors dont do their math

People don't need math to feel wronged. What math are they neglecting?

and also know virtually nothing of how the world works than what they read on Blogs from other people who dont know how the world works,

This is where I think you sorely mistaken, they can see that world does not work as advertised,
or simply that it is not working for them. Addressing the fractional reserve banking system is a
point that is agreed on by a large portion of status new agents, from libertarian to liberal.

they wont have the intellectual strength to help create the change that is supposedly needed.

If they sit on their asses long enough, they are not going to be able to do much of anything,
you would like A Brave New World.

Not contempt. Compassion. Like one would have compassion toward a child that doesnt understand the first thing about anything.

Well good then, you have nothing to worry about do you?

Originally posted by Janky Red
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I can't believe you could find fault in people trying to express their anger at the banks...

It's Beezzer.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik

 

when you add the other special interests of this country

then i might acutally start listening to you but i hear nothing but defeaning slience about unions or anyone else.

I say include them all. The gov, the corps that play dirty and the able bodies getting welfare. Your the one that wants to selectively place the blame.

Plus you still don't see how the wealthy use government and not the other way around.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Regarding the banks.

YES...

However, banks and bankers ARE an integral part of our economy. They CANNOT be just done away with.

I agree... they are so integral, that we shouldn't allow them to destroy the currency of their customer
base, just because they maintain such an integral position.

Even communist countries still had banks. The soviet union had banks and china has banks, for example. They also have or had criminal activity associated with their banks from time to time.

I know

So, IMO better oversight is the key, not unilaterally getting rid of all the banks and bankers.

I agree totally, 100%

Lets do it

reply to post by beezzer


I have to agree in the lame nature of this protest, I think it's good people can come together and protest, but that video kind of reminds me of the way Americans cheer on a soccer game compared to English fans. There seems to be no passion and it's just a case of imitating what they have seen others do on the TV.

Maybe they wil all learn a few things and bash out some ideas for future protests.

It's difficult to know what people want, what specific change people are after, but it is clear people are not happy with the way the world is at the moment and people perceive something is wrong.

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by Janky Red


I can't believe you could find fault in people trying to express their anger at the banks...

It's Beezzer.

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Point taken, the realization does nothing to curb my sense of disbelief, however.