What would you do if you 'knew'?

There are times when I think this world would be a much better place without humans....or at least without so many! There are times when I would include myself and my family in that thought because we are indeed, part of the problem.

However.

I would be unable to live with myself knowing that I did nothing to stop this man. I could probably live with the stain of one murder on my soul, but I couldn't deal with billions....

Originally posted by exponencial

Sad part about this thread is that its not hypothetical...

GL man

In what way?

You saying that there would only be two paths that the situation could turn out if it were real?
Seriously? With all the different things that could happen to affect the outcome over 7 years that it would all be down to a black and white decision by one random person in about 2 days or whatever?

I don't think reality works that way, just my 2 cents but so many other factors could affect things.

If you mean, "What if this is actually happening" I would venture that it's safe to say that the OP hasn't really gained foreknowledge of such an attack, and then decided to go on ATS and get other people to decide for him what to do. I'd say he is running this as a "let's see what people would do" kind of experiment.

Stalin and both Hitler were introduced by the banking cartel.

So to kill one face of the enemy per se does nothing!

All they have to do is find another Sociopath, which has no problem doing their bidding, and walla-shazzam, history repeats in your dream op,but with a different face this time

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

You have proposed the question to us...but did not answer it yourself....what would you the author of this thread do?

I think if a person decides to kill Hitler or anyone like him....they would have to know going in that they would be going to prison....that is a heavy price to pay.....but I think many would pay it.

I personally am not a killer....but during my 72 hours of decision....I may find someone who is.

Of course this is all fiction....and in reality....I would never kill nor have someone killed....it is just not my nature.

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We all like to believe that "I would never do such a nasty thing". However, the truth is that we are all equally as nasty as Mr Adolf Sickelgrubber alias "Hitler". Study of the subject has lead me to realise that many of the top Nazi officionados were actually boringly ordinary persons. Himmler who was next in line for the top dog position was simply a weakling farmers lad who wore specticles and had dreams of being a chicken farmer. He married a woman twenty years his senior and left her on the chicken farm whilst he was pretending himself to be the future top dog of the new Deutche Riech. The same things are observed as regard to others who rose to prominance during that unpleasant time. The worst type of sadist is the one who is oblivious of the fact that he is hurting anyone. Men like as those in Nazi Germany were willing to do such sadistic cruelty because they were in their own words "simply obeying the orders that where handed down from above". Even the top dogs of the Riech were saying exactly that at the post war Nuremburg trials. That same refusal to bare personal responsibility is still rampant in every walk of life today. The young ones today will be old men later on. What will their children grow up to become ? Thus all the horrors of the twentieth century are just awaiting their chance to leap out on to us again in this twenty first century. Only this time around the criminals can commit the genocide at the flick of a switch or two and the pressing of a few buttons and not even have to set foot outside. It all happens via their computer in some really comfortable opulent hotel like facility somewhere away from the rat race. Nuclear weapons exist because the men obviously intend to use them ? If you buy a gun its because you intend to use it ? It is my opinion that just the mere possession of a fire arm renders you guilty of murder. In the UK and as far as I know in most countries in Europe it is illegal to own a fire arm. As far as I know it is a United Nations directive that all nations who are members of the assembly are supposed to be engaged in the process of removing all the guns from civilian ownership. Some say that the UN is not going to be able to achieve that aim. True. Because obviously human beings are trusting in violence. No one even suggests that in the future all armies will submit to a total disarmament process ? Simply put, it is a fact that the weapons industry is far too profitable. The UK earns 22 Billion GBP per year from selling weapons. Britain is the worlds second biggest manufacturer of weapons. In the context of this subject matter I recommend that you watch the 2008 movie VALKYRE set in World War 2 Nazi Germany starring the american actor Tom Cruise playing the part as one Claus Von Stauffenberg who found himself thrust into such a moral dillema as this thread is debating. The movie is a dramatization based on real events that unfolded during the last days of the Deutche Reich.

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Originally posted by watermama
There are times when I think this world would be a much better place without humans....or at least without so many!

Interesting, that is exactly what this man believes, and that is the core of his motive.

He will go off-grid, in about 43.5 hours, untouchable and unreachable...

7 years was the timeline in the "experience" there are variables, but the unmitigated outcome is certain. If you choose to identify him, expose the plot, do everything you can to stop him, you wont get far, before you are removed from the equation... All of those efforts are doomed to fail, but I suppose it is a better option than the other?

You have about 43.5 hours remaining....

reply to post by Fractured.Facade
Mankind has proven itself to be a parasitic spicies from the begenning and there is "NO" hope of change as has also been proven from the begenning.We kill each other daily as a means to advance our own agenda and greed,it is our genetic make up.
What do you suggest we do as a spicies.................add another 7 billion people to the population with 7 billion different ideas on how to answer your question?
What would you do if you were sitting in a room with another person and you knew that person was going to kill you ............just because?would you run and be hunted or deal with it then and there?
I suggest people admit to who and what we are as a spicies and then you would not have to ask or answer these redundant questions...........deal with it.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Nice question.

If I had an opportunity to change history, I would not do a single damn thing. Its weird. After going through my own personal struggles, I realized the negatives were necessary for the positives to happen. Once you remove the negative aspects from history, the stress and urgency caused by those events would not have triggered positive social changes. Even though Hitler brought everyone to the edge of oblivion, his actions got the world to see what pure evil looks like. We are now aware of the implications of socialism and communism.

I would not go back in time and stop:
(1) World War II
(2) 9/11
(3) Crucifixion of Jesus Christ
(4) Obama's Election
(5) Etc...

Originally posted by Battleline
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

Mankind has proven itself to be a parasitic species from the beginning and there is "NO" hope of change as has also been proven from the beginning.We kill each other daily as a means to advance our own agenda and greed,it is our genetic make up.

I disagree. Humanity has the potential to change.

I have faith that our species will eventually get things right.

After the new millennium had arrived, humanities only problem is a lack of direction.

Put on the scale of justice, 1 billion outweighs 1. I think the person "chosen" to rid this parriah from the face of the earth would also be protected by whatever "force" is compelling him to do it. That is if it's not a mind-control, Manchurian Candidate type of scenario.

If it is a good "force" compelling him, it could be similar to the biblical tale of Abraham and Isaac (I hope I have the names right, I am weak on religion) where God tested Abraham's faith by getting him to sacrifice his son but He stepped in at the last minute to let Abraham know he was just testing him and he didn't have to go through with it.

Maybe if the "chosen" one is shown they will not survive the assassination on said bad guy and decide to do it any way, they will be saved for chosing to make that sacrifice.

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Help him

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If I travelled through time into the past I would try not to change a thing.
If I saw into the future I would act on it, but very carefully and methodically.

Now that most of us have stated our position on murder, let's get to meat of this debacle.

Spit it out OP. Who is this person and how will he achieve the things you listed in your opening post?

Secondly, why not take time to alert us to who he is and how we may be able to help ourselves and our families, if this is indeed real.

Greetings!

I'm gonna have to say no to your hypothetical. My reasoning? Think 'Doctor Who'. The main premise is that he is a time traveler able to occasionally stop horrible things from happening. However, it's also understood ( in the series) that there are specific points/events in time that HAVE TO take place.

Now, it sounds like you (or whoever) were able to 'time travel' into the future and see the events that were to take place because of this one man's discoveries (and battle plan). The event described seems pretty catastrophic.

Given this information, I would say, no matter how horrible we may believe it is, it's gotta happen.

All this considering I'm going off of the reality that exists in a TV show (al beit a British one ).

Imagine what crazy stuff will have to happen to fill in the history that this guy already made. There will be a huge 7 year whole where this guy was totally affecting everything around him. Now what?

Perhaps if he never invents the biological weapon, then no one dies, then the population becomes overwhelmingly out of control, then.... the world implodes. I mean, shoot, how could you know?

It seems that large events are meant to happen to control other events.

What if by killing this one man you temporarily save a few billion people, but inevitably end up destroying the whole earth?

So, in conclusion, if I were a time traveler and able to change/help things, I would NOT attempt to fix any BIG events. Maybe something small here and there.... like leaving a flower for someone who looks like they need it. Hopefully all that will change is a few exchanged smiles.

Namaste ya'all

First off, this man's actions are not "meant to be" because if they were then you would not have been given the faculty to stop them.

Assuming:
1.) This man will kills thousands/millions as an absolute certainty.
2.) You can stop him from doing this with absolute certainty.

I don't see that there really is a choice here. The question of choice only comes into play when there is not absolute certainty.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
It has been asked before, in various ways...

If you had advance absolute knowledge before Hitler rose to power, would you have killed him?

No.

Why would there be a need to kill him? You know the plans. There are so many ways to deal with that. To develop counter plans etc..

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Sense of urgency? 72 hours to decide?

Completely confident in your assessment, and will obviously have even more confirmation when you show up and recognize the individual and their location. What are you waiting for? If you have been shown something, there is obviously a reason. Maybe the reason is your lack of decisiveness, because 72 hours goes by quickly, and I wouldn't have taken the time to post in here first.

About 42.5 hours now... To act, or not.

So, what would YOU do?

You don't need to see this man, you already know everything about him, you know where he is, and it isn't far away from where you are right now... There is a huge military secret research facility nearby, where he will be leaving service with a military contractor and moving into private research with a commercial "contractor" .. The seminar is the only event where he can be targeted... After that, the opportunity is GONE.

What are you waiting for?

This doesn't end well for you, if you choose to intervene, it also doesn't end well for you if you try other ways to stop him... It isn't an easy choice, no matter what you choose here.

You can ultimately choose to do nothing, spend the rest of the time you have remaining in life, convincing yourself that it was meant to be, despite the fact that you knew.

Or... what else could/would you do here?

My concern here is what if this is a real situation? What if OP is really seeing these things? Where does that leave the people in this thread telling him that it is his responsibility to take action? What if OP (and no offense, OP) is mentally ill or suffers from type of personality disorder?

It's disturbing me that we seem to take for granted that OP is a well person. If OP decides to murder this individual, I would imagine everyone participating in this thread may get a visit from FBI.

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Merk that jigga. Seriously I am going to blame you if this happens in 7 years.

reply to post by cry93


Excellent points... But I can assure you that my state of mind here is well, and there is no worries in that regard.. This discussion isn't about me, in any way... It is all, after all, theoretical.

A tough one, for anyone who would choose to openly deal with such dilemmas... You are free to assume whatever you want about me in this context, even the worst, or that it is all real... Or that I am some lunatic, But I want to make one thing very clear... This thread is NOT about me, in any way shape or form.

Your question reminds me of a novel by Dean Koontz where a man who had premonitions did his utmost to prevent bad things from happening.

As to the answer to your dilemma. Since he is both good and evil, it means there exists a potential for compromise. The world is not dark or light but it is both. Why wouldn't you talk to him and tell him/her that the road they are on leads only to a disaster that no one will benefit? Tell him/her you have gift and then lie about what will happen. Killing him/her doesn't actually kill the idea that came to him. Ideas are like parasitic life forms, they need only a host.

Now what would really be nice is if this person too had seen the future and had seen you and knew you were coming.

Originally posted by cry93
My concern here is what if this is a real situation? What if OP is really seeing these things? Where does that leave the people in this thread telling him that it is his responsibility to take action? What if OP (and no offense, OP) is mentally ill or suffers from type of personality disorder?

It's disturbing me that we seem to take for granted that OP is a well person. If OP decides to murder this individual, I would imagine everyone participating in this thread may get a visit from FBI.

That's exactly the scenario that OP is presenting. That by murdering this madman he would be labeled insane. What if the madman in OP's scenarios was real too?

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by cry93

 

Excellent points... But I can assure you that my state of mind here is well, and there is no worries in that regard.. This discussion isn't about me, in any way... It is all, after all, theoretical.

Yeah that's what they all say.