Ford : We Didn't Need No Stinking Bailout and Look at Us now!

Win Lose Or Draw Standing on your own is what america is all about have to agree with those comments

gm bailed out and all the others and guess what none of them are doing all that great if at all

americans you gotta wake up and get off the government teet.

FORD DID and you can to liked this ad and thought id share.

thread open for business thoughts and comments welcome

Ford didn't need a bail out anyways. They still had massive cash reserves from the profits they made off Hitler in WW2

Ford has received $5.9 billion from the Federal Government for "green tech development".

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Two years ago when I needed a new car finally I didn't even consider shopping anywhere else but Ford dealerships. My last three vehicles have all been Fords and I've been nothing but satisfied. We absolutely do not even consider foreign cars around this house and when the government started having to bail out so many other domestic car companies it just confirmed my loyalty. Not to mention that Ford donated more money to the 9-11 fund than any other domestic car company.

The reason Ford has turned things around is very simple and for the most part should be used as a model or case in point. The reason, they admitted their faults and admitted to themselves what they had been doing wrong in the past, and was able to make the adjustments in order to start turning things around and going in a positive direction.

It is amazing what a little honesty will do, especially when you are honest with your self.

Lexus, Honda top J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey, Ford plummets

Ford did have a leg up on Chrysler and GM in quality methods implemented during WWII.

And one of the few major domestic manufactures whom implement Six Sigma Quality methods.

Ford is also who sent W Edwards Deming, the statistical quality methods genius a packing after WWII.

Where did he go ?

To Japan where he began teaching quality methods to the Japanese. Beginning with Toyota.

The rest is history.

According to JD Power and other quality reviews with Ford's quality is currently suffering and is actually in a decline ....

Meanwhile Ford, which was the top-ranked non-luxury brand at fifth last year, fell to 23rd this year. It had 116 problems per 100 vehicles,up from 93 last year and worse than the industry average of 107 owner-reported problems. Its Lincoln brand dropped from No. 8 to 17 this year, with 111 problems.

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was there a point there ?

americans dont have a problem with vw or bmw or toyota and other manufacturing from japan and germany

let alone buying cheap junk made off the slave labor of the chinese?

point of fact gm and chrysler were also right there in germany.

Ford didn't have an assembly plant in Mexico to finish building like GM.

I wouldn't put much trust in J.D. Powers. I've seen first-hand that they're "pay to play" marketing. Nothing more


I remember a friend of mine telling me that more of my Hyundai was built (assembled) here in the US than most Chevy'/GMs. Simply amazing

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Serious Kudos to Ford for being the only American auto company with the ingenuity and drive to not need a socialist crutch. My next vehicle will infact be a Ford.

Well darn Neo, this is the second time I've star and flagged you in as many days. What the heck is going on in the world.

Star and Friggin FLAG!!!!!!!!!!

What a great message, I loved the message he said
It's about responsibility, if you fail you get up on your own

All these other car manufacturers should give Americans free cars since they already took money from them taxpaying wallets without their consent

What a crazy world we live in where basic logic seems so foreign domestically

Boycott Anderson Cooper!
I just had to throw that in there
He was on CNN during the bailouts badmouthing the naysayers like crazy during the vote

I can't stand him ever since

Originally posted by neo96
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was there a point there ?

americans dont have a problem with vw or bmw or toyota and other manufacturing from japan and germany

let alone buying cheap junk made off the slave labor of the chinese?

point of fact gm and chrysler were also right there in germany.

Ford helped Hitler in the killing of many American's in WW2. That's my point.

Ford CEO Alan Mulally supported the bailout for the industry. What does that mean? He supported it because if the other companies didn't get a bailout, they wouldn't be able to pay the suppliers, which also supply Ford. Even Ford knew they needed a bailout, they were just smart enough to let everyone else take the rap.

If you want to define "bailout" as a prepackaged safety net or direct cash injection, then sure, they never got a bailout. If the suppliers weren't bailed out with GM and Chrysler injections, their suppliers you would all be out of business, along with Ford.

This is absurdity at it's finest, marketing at it's best, and complete baloney. I hope it's not too crowded in the pastures, it's almost time for a good shearing. Baaaaaah.

Of course, there is this as well:

American Taxpayers (possibly as well as GM and Chrysler) Are the Victims of a Lie

Ford meanwhile rode high on the perception that they didn’t accept a single dollar. “Ford did not seek a government bailout,” says a very recent Rasmussen Report, “and 55 percent of Americans say they are more likely to buy a Ford car for that reason.”

Americans (and possibly GM and Chrysler) are the victims of a big lie, says Wall Street insider Eric Fry. And he has the numbers to back it up.
“During the crisis of 2008-9, for example, Ford Motor Company borrowed as much as $7 billion from a lending facility of the Federal Reserve. But the details of these borrowings did not come to light until just three weeks ago. And even now, very few investors – or car-buyers – seem to realize that GM and Chrysler were not the only “Big 3” car companies to receive a helping hand from the government. Ford also cashed a few government checks.”

Fry is not talking about the DOE retooling loan, and Ford’s well publicized use of government loan guarantees. Fry found a $7 billion government check to Ford that was hidden from the public’s eye. Well, not really, it was mentioned on page 18 of a document submitted by Ford to the Senate Banking Committee on December 2, 2008, but who reads that stuff?

While Americans learned that a TARP was not just used to cover some dirt in the yard, but also gaping holes in the balance sheets of banks, brokers and automakers, the public remained oblivious to other governmental ATMs, such as the Fed’s Commercial Paper Funding Facility (CPFF). Says Fry:

Just one month before Mulally declared, “We do not face a near-term liquidity issue, and we are not seeking short-term financial assistance from the government,” Ford Motor Credit had borrowed nearly $4 billion from the Fed’s Commercial Paper Funding Facility (CPFF). And just two weeks after this remark, Ford Motor Credit borrowed an additional $3 billion from the CPFF. In all, Ford borrowed $7 billion between October 27, 2008 and June 17, 2009.

From March 2009 through August 2009, Ford was the biggest borrower from that heretofore undercover lending facility for carmakers in need.

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To verify the first part of this post there is this :

Harry Reid : Auto Bailout Probably Saved Ford

Unlike its fellow Detroit-area automakers, Ford Motor Co. did not accept federal assistance in 2008. Instead, it preemptively leveraged it's assets, remaining afloat in exchange for debt.

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German and Japenesa automobiles > American automobiles. Just saying, as you consumer in this globalised world, you would have to be pretty insane to purchase American.

S & F I love everything Ford.

I noticed this aswell. And I also noticed how Ford did not jump on the hybrid band wagon. Only introducing the escape hybrid. I feel this will pay off for them as well

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
German and Japenesa automobiles > American automobiles. Just saying, as you consumer in this globalised world, you would have to be pretty insane to purchase American.

Insane! Being a mechanic I can tell you, I would recommend american made cars all day long. Unless you enjoy costly repairs, and parts that run you 3x or 4x what an American vehicle would have cost you. Yet have you ever stopped to look around at how many 90's or early 2000's german vehicles are driving around? None the less with over 200k on them? Not many, cause you could never afford it. It is cheaper to junk it when it quits. And they do. While the American vehicles many will far exceed 200k. My jeep currently has 247k and not one thing on does not work.

ford didnt need a bailout at all to keep operating they are as we speak buliding the biggest plant in they're company in china for sure and they are building in india to this is why they dont need one at all and the fact they restructuring the union contracts right now thats what they got the loans for im guessing for just legal bills and concessions. I love american made cars and well shouldnt they love us to? lol even gm is spending heavy over there right now.

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K I'm going to go for the other side of the coin. Having worked for Ford until they shut our plant, I can tell you first hand that Ford didn't need the bail outs, due to restructuring the union contract with the union giving up decent wages for a 2 'tier' system now in place,as well as moving the plant down to mexico for cheap labor.Now heres the clincher.... its not the benefits nor the wages they pay autoworkers that they are trying to escape, its osha. They don't like having to implement safety precautions that keep ppl alive, they cost too much.
You see Ford has a bad rap when it comes to ppl being hurt and killed in their plants.This is the way it is in most manafactoring plants in the U.S. Most ppl don't realize how many get killed in those plants every year.We tend to think of them as 'safe' now after all this is 2011! But the truth is it happens all the time,
At the plant where I worked , they had a sign up saying to stop, think and call home cause you may not ever get to talk to your loved ones again! I was like OMG.
I'm sure they did go around and get money outside of the bailout.Ford is one smooth customer. They know how to get what they want and will use that to their advantage.
As far as their quality? All I can say is that since the plant closed I haven't owned a Ford nor will I ever again. I got to see first hand how they were made. Anyway, thats my opinion for what its worth.

Just traded in my lemon Pontiac my GM dealer screwed me on for a Ford. I love it!

Originally posted by thefulleffect
ford didnt need a bailout at all to keep operating they are as we speak buliding the biggest plant in they're company in china for sure and they are building in india to this is why they dont need one at all and the fact they restructuring the union contracts right now thats what they got the loans for im guessing for just legal bills and concessions. I love american made cars and well shouldnt they love us to? lol even gm is spending heavy over there right now.

Exactly. Before you guys pat someone on the ass for "standing on their own", take a look at the situation. They have shipped jobs overseas.

Kudos Ford, Kudos!

Get the # out of here with this crap

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yeah indeed get out of this crap with gm and chrysler get their multi billiions from us

when they make crap in canada and mexico and asia