NASA - UARS

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Yea because the likely hood that anyone on this thread is going to have that chance is so high, (sarcasm for the serious ones) you'd have a better chance of winning the lottery, but yea thanks for the warning professor X.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

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Governments are owned by the people. So he would be stealing something of his own anyway. He helped fund it after all.

Suspicious indeed.

I would no doubt take something as a souvenir if it did land in my backyard to compensate for the fact there was a chance it could have killed my dog, and to get back at the Gov. for stealing from us.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

edit on 9/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Gee you're so full of it. Do you listen to yourself?

reply to post by uSNUUZuLUUz


Well duck I guess , just kidding. I researched the matter to determine if there was any radiological danger, ie did the spacecraft using plutonium batteries? According to Hardvard the batteries where NiCad, so no radiological danger. Here's the link.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Well peace and good luck

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

edit on 9/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Agreed. They'll find pieces of it on Ebay.
Phage what is that guy from in your avatar? that's always boggled me lol.

I 'll field it: "Dr Emilio Lizardo" (played with genius by John Lithgow) (From" buckaroo banzai across the 8th dimension" ; Hard rocking neurosurgeon Buckaroo Banzai and his band "the Hong kong cavaliers" avert an interdimensional war) I highly recommend the cult classic movie. Love it....
"blueblazer regular" 46ace!
Thanks nowI 've got that dang "whistling song " from the end of the movie stuck in my head...

This is like saying... I own this gold ring, but I am going to throw it in the ocean. If this ring finds it's way to your shore and you find it with your metal detector don't you dare try to sell it on Ebay...it is still mine..........makes no sense. You threw it up there can no longer control it, and it lands in my yard....finders keepers.

Originally posted by uSNUUZuLUUz

NASA - UARS

www.nasa.gov

Update #2
Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:54:30 AM EDT

As of Sept. 15, 2011, the orbit of UARS was 143 mi by 158 mi (230 km by 255 km). Re-entry is expected Sept. 24, plus or minus a day.
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If you find something you think may be a piece of UARS, do not touch it. Contact a local law enforcement official for assistance.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Norfolkin Way Man!!! If I find space junk its going to the Pawn Stars place in Vegas...baby

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

edit on 9/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Debatable salvage laws and all that, having said that he who has the biggest stick usually wins these things.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

edit on 9/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I think if Government property lands in my back yard, I'm gonna gut it quick of any thing that looks good bury the stuff and lie about it to the Men In Black when they come around. If it's found on my property, It's Mine I own it. It stops being Government property. I'll let them have the smoking shell. Possession is nine tenths of the law. A kid throws a baseball in my yard I can legally keep it. NASA lets a piece of space junk fall in my yard they are going to be SOL. If it's in my yard, it ain't stealing.

After burning up on re-entry, they would have to prove it's theirs and they are entitled to it.. at that point any stickers that said Government Property will be long gone. I could get the Russians involved to say it's one of theirs and split the profits :-) Either way, they would have to fight me for it and I'm prepared to give em what for.

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3
Agreed. They'll find pieces of it on Ebay.

This pretty much says it all right here:

NASA Satellite Debris May Fall Anywhere … Except on eBay
A dead NASA satellite the size of school bus is falling back to Earth, and where it will drop no one knows, at least not yet. The space agency is clear, however, on where the satellite's debris will not end up: eBay.

As NASA waits to learn where the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS) will fall, the space agency has alerted the public not to touch any debris that may be found. The space agency wants to protect the public's safety, but also enforce the law. UARS remains U.S. government property, regardless of whether it is circling the Earth intact or lying on the ground in pieces.
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26 pieces will survive
NASA's orbital debris program analyzed UARS's design in 2002 with the purpose of determining what, if any parts of the satellite would survive the fiery reentry and make it to the ground.
"We believe there will be 26 different components that will hit the surface of the Earth somewhere with a total mass of a little over 500 kilograms [1,100 lbs]," NASA's orbital debris program chief scientist Nick Johnson said. "The largest piece that we think is going to come back is part of the structure of UARS and it is going to have a mass of just in excess of 150 kilograms, so a little more than 300 pounds."
There is a 1-in-3,200 chance that one of those pieces will land on someone somewhere in the world. Those odds are "very, very low" Johnson said, pointing out that in the 54-year history of the space age, "there have been no reports of anybody in the world being injured or severely impacted by any re-entering debris."

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3
Phage what is that guy from in your avatar? that's always boggled me lol.

In case this was not answered…

That’s Dr. Emilio Lizardo (John Lithgow) from the movie The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension, sort of an 80’s cult classic science fiction film.

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How can you steal what's already yours?... if it belongs to your government, it belongs to you since you paid for it. As for the timing of this event matching others just must be coincidental. Why lie about a satellite crashing?

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3
Agreed. They'll find pieces of it on Ebay.

This pretty much says it all right here:

NASA Satellite Debris May Fall Anywhere … Except on eBay

"The largest piece that we think is going to come back is part of the structure of UARS and it is going to have a mass of just in excess of 150 kilograms, so a little more than 300 pounds."
There is a 1-in-3,200 chance that one of those pieces will land on someone somewhere in the world. Those odds are "very, very low" Johnson said, pointing out that in the 54-year history of the space age, "there have been no reports of anybody in the world being injured or severely impacted by any re-entering debris."

The odds mean Nothing. a 300 lbs object or even 25 smaller ones are going to do Serious damage if it hits any city or town.It doesn't have to hit " a person" It could hit a large building and at those speeds could blow very large holes in walls even demolish the building killing hundreds of people.

I'd like to know where the projected area is going to be before it hits if anyone can post it. We could watch for government coverups if it does hit a populated area. I wonder if we can get some amateur telescope buffs to record the crash. This is assuming they tell us the real projected coordinates.

I smell a Rat.

I just looked up the coords and what NASA is slyly saying is that literally this thing can come down ANYWHERE in the world.

The picture here shows where 57 degrees North latitude is:

en.wikipedia.org...

The picture here shows where 57 degrees South latitude is:

en.wikipedia.org...

Someone wanna superimpose those two and post it?

Anyway, most folks don't know where those coords are and they don't care. I think the Gov is counting on this.

I cannot believe.. Will not believe that they cannot track the computer models projection of this thing and KNOW a much smaller Target where this thing will come down ( in pieces).

These people have computer models much more advanced than the private sector has. They can track it's re-entry and find out it's re-entry window. They can then calculate the burn speed they know how fast the earth turns - they can get a much smaller window.. I'm 100% sure of this.. they do it all the time when something re-enters the atmosphere they WANT you to know about.

They are just blowing smoke up our bums.

That's my belief.. go ahead someone and tell me.. nay.. prove to me beyond any doubt why I Must be wrong.

And.. Oh yeah.. I DO see Conspiracies Everywhere :-)

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
They can track it's re-entry and find out it's re-entry window. They can then calculate the burn speed they know how fast the earth turns - they can get a much smaller window..

There is no "burn".
There is no "burn speed".
It will reenter the atmosphere at a uncertain time, uncertain because of the drag it has from the way it is pointing, but more so because of the uncertain state of the upper atmosphere. The drag on satellites in the upper atmosphere changes on a day to day (and hourly) basis from solar activity.
What is that going to be in the middle of next week? You dont know? NASA doesnt know either.
What is that going to be on the 24th? You dont know? NASA doesnt know either.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
They can track it's re-entry and find out it's re-entry window. They can then calculate the burn speed they know how fast the earth turns - they can get a much smaller window..

There is no "burn".
There is no "burn speed".
It will reenter the atmosphere at a uncertain time, uncertain because of the drag it has from the way it is pointing, but more so because of the uncertain state of the upper atmosphere. The drag on satellites in the upper atmosphere changes on a day to day (and hourly) basis from solar activity.
What is that going to be in the middle of next week? You dont know? NASA doesnt know either.
What is that going to be on the 24th? You dont know? NASA doesnt know either.

There is a burn on re-entry.
As the object burns up during re-entry it does so with velocity hence it has a speed.

So what? So it has some fluctuation in it's variables due to drag and atmospheric conditions due to solar activity. All this tells me is they cannot be That precise but it doesn't tell me why they cannot find a smaller window than the huge area ( most of the earth) that they have stated. Hogwash, I'm not buying that answer. That may be the official line and most people may buy it but i don't. Like I said, they can tell you better windows for re-entry when they want you to know where something is coming down.. we don't hear that bull line at those times.

Prediction of drag on satellites in the upper atmosphere CAN be calculated.. they do it all the time.. Look it up.. I just did. So that answer doesn't tell me why they cannot find a smaller window. They Do have a better idea where it's going to come down, I'm sure of it, they just aren't telling us.

Well space debris doesn't fall that often..and if it does...obviously it burns up in the atmosphere...Our planet is made up of mostly water...Yes I admit in various levels of orbit there is a lot of space debris up there...I propose a clean up...sweeper not unlike the mining ship of Red Dwarf...lol...if only I could be kachanski (prob spelt that wrong)...but hey ho...maybe its time to go green even in our upper atmosphere...clear out some of the junk so we can 'progress'...

I have a secret...I would love to own a piece of meteorite...They make rings out of them...of course they are expensive...anyone wanna marry me...lol.....
It is such a desire to chase a meteorite and to own a piece....

However should the UARS scatter some pieces...it needs to be investigated...and there could be contamination...who knows...anyway it's kinda exciting to see what happens.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

When a controlled re-entry is possible the impact location can be calculated. This is not a controlled re-entry.

The date of re-entry has now been narrowed to occur within one day of the 24th. From a window of a few weeks the window has been reduced to three days. That number will continue to be refined. Within two hours of re-entry (slightly more than one orbit) the time will be known within 25 minutes or better. That translates to knowing the location within 12,000 km.

Look at the odds this way. If 3,200 UARS satellites were re-entering instead of one, one person would be hit. Bad if you're that person. No doubt. But there is only one of them.

I would like to add that the satellite has been soaking up all kinds of space radiation and particles for however long it has hung up in the sky. seems touching may also expose you too something toxic.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mileslong54

 

In which case you would be stealing US government property. Or the property of which ever government had launched it.

edit on 9/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Just like they steal from us - Now that would make a change eh!