not 100 % proof god isn't real but it's something! I swear!

Ever occur to you the bible was written 200 years before the so-called events? The bible, was written as a book to change people's lives, but was it fact? hahaha, no. The bible is a big parable made for people to consider following to make the world better, but then one day, some random guy said "This is true!!" Then everyone believed him because at 200 B.C. a lot, even more than now people were ignorant, you couldn't just research stuff everyday like you can now, knowing you already know that I'll skip that but anyways, People believed him and he liked the fame, so he kept spreading the word of his parables as facts, but they hadn't been facts, just as much religions, they were to make the world "Better", well that didn't work out. The world now-adays is fed by people calling other people's religion bogus because "theirs is better", Well they always say that there's only one true religion, but infact there are no true religions, because how much sense does it make to you that some guy was the only thing to exist then he just got bored one day and made a bunch of stuff and it happens to be that he only made ONE galaxy but we have scientific proof that we have more than just the milky way,

There are probably more than 170 billion (1.7 × 1011) galaxies in the observable universe.[7][8] Most galaxies are 1,000 to 100,000[9] parsecs in diameter and are usually separated by distances on the order of millions of parsecs (or megaparsecs).[10] - Wikipedia.

Now before you tell me "Oh that's wikipedia anyone can edit that" well those sections came from these sources,
^ a b Jarrett, T. H.. "Near-Infrared Galaxy Morphology Atlas". California Institute of Technology. Retrieved 2007-01-09. ^ Gott III, J. R.; et al. (2005). "A Map of the Universe". Astrophysical Journal 624 (2): 463–484. arXiv:astro-ph/0310571. Bibcode 2005ApJ...624..463G. doi:10.1086/428890. ^ Mackie, G. (2002-02-01). "To see the Universe in a Grain of Taranaki Sand". Swinburne University. Retrieved 2006-12-20. ^ "Hubble's Largest Galaxy Portrait Offers a New High-Definition View". NASA. 2006-02-28. Retrieved 2007-01-03. ^ Gilman, D.. "The Galaxies: Islands of Stars". NASA/WMAP. Retrieved 2006-08-10.
Do you still think that some random dude made 170 billion galaxies each taking 7 days to make independent suns and even multiple suns in some galaxies, now apparently the bible says that it took god a whole day to make the sun, so he took 170 billion days to make 170 billion suns for 170 billion galaxies, did you know that the earth is only scientifically around 4.54 billion years old, now in just 1 billion days there are 2737849516,63 years, so that's more than 4.54 but in the bible god made the earth within the 7 days he did, now you're going to tell me he made several planets a day for 4 days, and a sun for a day, and the same for 170 billion galaxies, making life on no other galaxy? I think I could believe that if I was in pre-school, actually in pre-school I probably wouldn't of believed that, because it's impossible.

If god did actually create life and the earth, for what purpose did he create life and earth without going to visit, everyone speaks of people apparently speaking to god, how many people did in the bible, like 5? So this random guy that happens to be the only person/thing in existence creates life and never reveals himself to that life, who created him? surely you can't say he created himself because to create himself he would need to create himself again and again times infinity, that wouldn't happen, so why, why does everyone believe this? I'm not trying to say they are stupid, just why would someone believe some random person that is just made out of nothing just creates life out of nothing, It's impossible, everything created itself from particles, particles have existed forever, and that's why we are here, Human's intelligence is fooled with every day that they live, everyone is decieving themselves with these crazy theories just becausethey can't explain it Well if you can't explain it, don't make something up, tell the truth, that you can't explain it and to ask someone who can the internet is a viable source of information and you need to use it, (Keep in mind that I'm not trying to sound like I'm lecturing you I'm just stating facts and asking questions that no-one can awnser) Asking questions is how you prove/disprove things, and when you die, where is heaven? maybe when you die you just dream of heaven, or maybe you don't because it's impossible for heaven to exist, Science over Religion.

Stay thirsty my friends.

reply to post by misterbananas


So? The bible is mathematically refutable? This is news?

Who made the universe then?


Also I'd like some scientific evidence to suggest that it's impossible for heaven to exist; I'm not even religious and these threads # me.

Wow that is so amazing and deep cept one simple question. Maybe two.
Do you know what red shift and blue shift is? Do you know what it means to us here on Earth.

No of course you dont
creation.com...
Maybe if you have a study of the data you will see the Earth is in the centro of everything.

Your concept of God is way to small.

Where does it say it took God a day to make the sun. Must have taken you some time to come up with that statement, or maybe no time at all.

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Natural processes, not a specific person, but science my friend, Do you have proof that heaven does exist?



think about it, how logical does it sound for everyone to just be in a body and fly to heaven after dying, It doesn't.

reply to post by boony


maybe your concept of god is way to big.


also it was that he made the sun on one day "let there be light" then he took a break on the last day
where does it say he made 170 billion universes?

Originally posted by boony
Wow that is so amazing and deep cept one simple question. Maybe two.
Do you know what red shift and blue shift is? Do you know what it means to us here on Earth.

No of course you dont
creation.com...
Maybe if you have a study of the data you will see the Earth is in the centro of everything.

Your concept of God is way to small.

Where does it say it took God a day to make the sun. Must have taken you some time to come up with that statement, or maybe no time at all.

edit on 15-9-2011 by boony because: clarify comment

No.

We are Misinterpreting what they mean.

I agree that it "appears" we are at the center due to red/blue shift, but it is an illusion.

Please consider this possibility. You never know, maybe I am correct?

"The bible is a big parable made for people to consider following to make the world better, but then one day, some random guy said "This is true!!"

Once filled with the Holy Spirit, that "big parable" shouts loud and clear that it is the Word of God. It shouts to the soul every time that you open it. Every word and sentence declares the grand plan of man on this Earth. It is the proof. I can't explain it more simply than this.

Originally posted by misterbananas
Ever occur to you the bible was written 200 years before the so-called events? The bible, was written as a book to change people's lives, but was it fact? hahaha, no. The bible is a big parable made for people to consider following to make the world better, but then one day, some random guy said "This is true!!" Then everyone believed him because at 200 B.C. a lot, even more than now people were ignorant, you couldn't just research stuff everyday like you can now, knowing you already know that I'll skip that but anyways...

Just in case your syntax and grammar wasn't enough to convince me that your argument isn't really worth the pixels it's printed on, your a priori assertion that the Bible was written 200 years before the events that occured (which is absolute rubbish for so many reasons it almost hurts) has left you with less than zero credibility.

The Bible, which you clearly haven't read, is composed of 66 books, and is not a single volume. It was written over the space of around 1800 years, with 40 different authors. Only 27 of those books were written around the period of history you're inferring (the time of Christ), and the majority of those were written between 40 and 70ad. Not only is there mountains of evidence for this (more than any other text in history, in fact), but you also have to contend with the fact that 27% of the Bible is prophecy; that is, TESTABLE claims about future events. If the Bible is wrong, start there and you should be able to pretty easily prove its falsehood. Unfortunately for your argument you'll find that the Bible has an unparalleled record on that, too.

I suggest that before you post threads with foolish assertions, you do some homework, so that, if nothing else, you spare yourself the embarrassment of sounding like someone who knows nothing about their chosen topic.

...and to answer your point regarding the rest of the universe...

Genesis 1:16 states:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

And there... in that verse, is the greatest understatement in the Bible. "He made the stars also".
God didn't spend seven days creating EVERY solar system and/or planet. He did so with ours, not because it actually physically took Him that long, but because He chose to... in order to show the process, and the point, of Creation.

Genesis 1:14-18:

"And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, (15) and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. (16) God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. (17) God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, (18) to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. (19) And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

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reply to post by misterbananas


You do realize the sun is a star right? Every gallixy has million of billions of suns. Serious is a easy to see example of a star bigger and brighter than our sun. I'm sorry to criticize you, but your logic is ridiculous. Why would you assume God would have spent an individual day on each star or planet? The bible says nothing to indicate that to me. I'd also like to point out that according to modern physics the first week of our universes creation lasted millions of years. Yes I know this is a confusing concept but you have to remember that time is constantly expanding.

Originally posted by misterbananas


maybe your concept of god is way to big.

O_o

um.........

Have you ever heard the term Alpha and Omega?
How the hell can some one's concept of God be way to big. The very idea of the one true God is tat he is everything and anything.. Maybe your understanding of creationism is way to small.

The Bible is a collection of books. The books in the Bible were chosen by a Roman Council. Many good historical books were left out of the cannon. Other books were adulterated. In any event, the Bible is NOT written by God. It was written and compiled by human kind..specifically men.

Many books in the New Testament were passed on via oral traditions and finally written down hundreds of years later. Did you ever play the telephone game in elementary school. The object of the game was to pass a long a secret. The final person spoke the secret out loud. By the time the story is finally repeated to everyone, it has transformed into a nearly unrecognizable tale. I suspect this happened during the oral periods of the Bible.

Sorry, the book isn't of god. Some even feel it is worthless as a historical record. I personally do not believe it was of god. However, archeology has demonstrated that some of the places written about in the Bible actually exist. I think we put way too much emphasis on the Bible. I wish we would put as much energy into exploring our oceans and underground caves. It would be more productive.

reply to post by misterbananas


What does the authenticity of the Judeo-Christian holy texts have to do with the existence of God?

There is a new player in the 'God proof' game that seems to have been going on for most of history. But this one not only changes the rules but it has 'teeth'. It's not a product of human reason and the proof is confirmed in practice by God! Heavy stuff if you can get your head around it?

The first wholly new interpretation of the moral teachings of Christ for two thousand years is spreading on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new 'claim' is predicated upon a precise and predefined experience, a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power to confirm divine will, command and covenant, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." Like it of no, a new religious claim testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment, evidential criteria now exists. Nothing short of a religious revolution appears to be getting under way. I'm testing the material now myself! Full review and links to free download of the teaching at soulgineering.com...

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I hope he doesn't know what your red and blue tides are (shifts I know)...I went to that site and read it - now THAT is awesome. Thanks.

CJ

I like how no posts debunk my scientific facts besides posting
opinions

Originally posted by misterbananas
I like how no posts debunk my scientific facts besides posting
opinions

I didn't post an opinion; I posted a question. What does the authenticity of the Judeo-Christian bible have to do with the existence of God?

How does the existence of billions of galaxies prove or disprove (or even allude to) anything? Beyond your astronomy reference, you only posed philosophical questions.

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It disproved the Christian god

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On the fifth day god created the sun and said let there be light - genesis 1