I Was A Deluded 9/11 Truther

Hamilton admits the obvious:

The 9-11 Commission was created to substantiate the official U.S. government explanation for 9/11.

It performed a faith-based investigation. It accepted as gospel truth the official explanation, and only searched for supportive evidence, discarding all contradictory (what a defense attorney would call exculpatory) evidence. Everything that was put in the official report had to be approved by all commission members, which is why it´s such a contradictory heap of hokum.

reply to post by galdur

What caused the collapse of the buildings, to summarize it, was that the super-heated jet fuel melted the steel super-structure of these buildings and caused their collapse.

I don't suppose you have some evidence for that theory, do you?


Or, you know... does ANYONE have that evidence?


(Third Line)

Thats it; just one youtube video solved the mystery of 9/11. Of course it's not an inside job like thousands of people say because this guy said it isn't, and he somehow has more credibility than 1200 architects and engineers combined. Duh guys.

Really though this guy sounds so un-genuine that I would be more likely to believe Pat Robertson from the 700 club.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


It´s not my theory.

I was quoting Lee Hamilton, co-chair of the 9/11 commission.

Go back and read the post you are quoting.

Originally posted by SteveRI too was a convinced conspiracist. I studied the peculiarities and technicalities of these claims for five years. In an exhaustive search of sources, way beyond those supplied on the typical truth sites and threads, I can finally say nothing has truly stood up to critical analysis. It is true that people simply believe what they want to believe.

Sorry to disappoint those who expected a litany of debunking facts. I am happy to discuss details, but remember, if I could find them so can you. A rational mind does his/her homework before making dramatic claims. If you jump on the bandwagon because it's 'hip' and you've seen a few videos (like the utterly discredited Loose Change), you are just surrendering your intellect to others. A sin and a shame.

Yep, people will believe what they want to believe - but it works both ways You surrender your intellect to others by believing the OS, even if it IS true. The hypocrisy is delicious.

Its fair enough if after a lot of research you came to that conclusion. I've done a lot of research too and I'm still convinced the OS is bull#. I take offense that every time someone speaks out against "Truthers" they claim that we get all our info from conspiracy websites. Not true, I have also researched official documents, MSM reports and of course heard the lies and blatant propaganda that politicians spout about 9/11 at every chance they get.

Most people get exposed to more "passive" information from biased sources (i.e. MSM and Government) WAY more than they get by reading conspiracy websites, so your argument there is both hypocritical and incredibly flawed. More over, EVERY source is biased. Its just the way it is - its up to the individual to sort through the BS.

In all seriousness, take a broader view. The specifics of things will never be known. No-one can ever prove (since the evidence has been destroyed) that the buildings were demolished for example. If you take a broad view of the whole situation, there's just too many coincidences for it to be a coincidence.

But at the end of the day, do what you want. If you've reached a place you are comfortable with then so be it. Just don't come back to these forums and bag out "Truthers" like a self-righteous asshole. Please.

Funny how the OP disappeared after the 1st page..

Just remember,the official story the government claims is the truth,are conspiracy's as well.

They are saying that middle easterners hijacked 3 aircraft's and crashed,armed with Stanley knifes and
they succeeded in destroying two towers,blowing a hole in the pentagon and causing genocide in less than half a day.While not being intercepted from any levels of any authority.

Now that's a conspiracy! if you've ever seen one.

The claims that the government and media make are fantasy.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
I have a question for you guys who believe our government killed all those people as a "false flag" effort to justify going into other countries and killing them. (Also, I wonder if you are the same folks who believe our government is trying to kill us/alter us by spreading chemicals in the air via any type airplane, and also controlling our minds through some amazing feat of mind control). Are you? Just curious.

Anyway, why do you spend another day on this soil? If I honestly believed I lived in a country that was capable of mass murder of it's own innocent, tax paying citizens, I would be out of here pronto. There is no way I could contine to live in and support a country that I honestly believed was capable of these overt and covert heinous murderous crimes. The world is huge. There are many other places to go. I would leave this country ASAP.

So again, why do you stay here? How do you justify maintaining citizenship in what you perceive as a country capable of murdering it's own citizens? Are you really that different from me, that you would stay in such a country?

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We believe in the original Ideals that this country was founded on. Our very Constitution was founded on protecting us from this very thing. Tyranny of our government running rampant. And using any means of fear and destruction and abusing and removal of our rights. We know we were lied to and in know that we were lied to unlike most we have the balls to speak out about it. We have the balls to stare these liars in the face and tell them that as long as we live we will not stand for it. The victims families, the troops and their families, the eye witnesses that ended up mystreriously missing after debunking the OS and WE THE PEOPLE. Deserve the truth. That's what we pursue you believe what you want. But we have the same right.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoinFor me however the clincher for my 9/11 believe was that I found it difficult to understand Al’Qa’ida, I couldn’t understand the phenomenon of violent Islamic extremism. I thought it was possible that even if the official story happened just as we are told it happened it was still impossible for Al’Qa’ida to be responsible. One day I was offered to undertake a few extra modules on the history of terrorism at university, there I discovered that there was a much deeper ideological and theological undertone the violent Islamic extremism. I am no longer ignorant.

Wow. Just wow. This pretty much sums it up for me.

Most of the world knew BEFORE 9/11 that Extremists could use suicide attacks. Most of the world knew BEFORE 9/11 that America was a massive target. This is due to nearly a century of oppressing the world and invading foreign countries you have no right to be in.

News Flash: When you invade someone else's country, it kinda pisses them off. People fighting for their own land will be willing to make greater sacrifices and go to greater lengths to get what they want (i.e. Americans out of their country).

So, you were a stereotypical ignorant American thinking you were invincible and that was the only reason you believed the Conspiracy Theories? I'm speechless.

Yeah its possible that Al'Qaeda did it. Its not even that hard to believe they could do it and/or could have pulled it off. At the end of the day all they needed was a few guys with box cutters. Its just that it would have been easier, much more likely and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more beneficial for the US Government to be involved in some way.

reply to post by OccamAssassin


They didn't plant bombs. They planted thermate. Thousands of explosive charges weren't needed
to induce destruction of the buildings. The towers, already compromised from airliner impacts, were
weakened strategically with thermate to aid the total collapse. The evidence of thermate burning
would have been concealed by the already burning building and the general hysteria.

Do't be naive. We pour trillions of dollars into the military industrial complex, and the MIC returns
to us new technologies in the form of new armaments, ordinance, and other types of weaponry.
We've no clue as to the type or size or detectability of any classified weapon, so assuming that
massive amounts of explosives or huge teams of men were needed is naive, The comparison
made to other buildings purposefully imploded by the private sector is bogus. Those companies
MUST use every available asset to implode buildings EXACTLY as the designed implosion dictates.
Overkill is a descriptive word. These companies would be liable for incomplete demolitions gone
wrong. When you are an unidentified entity, you have no liability and overkill is not needed.

As to building seven, Edward Currant's assertion that no other building in history has burned
uncontrolled for sevens hours is, incorrect, misleading, and/or a lie. Building seven is THE ONLY
building in history to completely suffer global collapse due to fire alone...PERIOD.

Now to Edward Currant...
I watch many of his videos on youtube. He is an atheist/agnostic who debunks religious (Christian)
beliefs by purporting to actually be Christian. But he attacks atheists and agnostics with the most
absurd bastardizations of bible rhetoric, so as to be a parody. I think he is hilarious...but he is wrong
in this video. Naive, disingenuous, deceitful, and wrong.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by v1rtu0s0

 

Yes , that scientific research done by all those architects and such.

(b) The 1,500 "experts" at ae911truth.org are mostly electrical and chemical engineers, residential architects, students, etc

With such creditable people like

The "explosive traces" or "thermite" claim comes from non-chemist Steven E. Jones, who analyzed samples sent to him privately with no chain of custody. His paper appeared in a journal that charges $800 to publish; Google "CRAP Paper Accepted by Journal" to read about its "peer review" process. Jones, a devout Mormon, also published "evidence" that Jesus visited American Indians; Google "Behold My Hands."

There exist NO peer-reviewed papers supporting controlled demolition, anywhere.

edit on 9/14/2011 by Mcupobob because: redacted

Wow, you've managed to convince me. All you have to do is attack a weak part of the arguement or someone who was once factually incorrect and you can debunk everyone. Genius!

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Bravo nicely said



One way to sum up this thread is a quote maybe someone could refresh me on who said it
"Never underestimate the power of denial"

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Yes he's Mormon

Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
no religion doesn't discredited him.

Then why even bring it up at all?

Originally posted by Mcupobob
The fact that he's willing to go against everything that science teaches us about geology, geography, and history, not to mention other religious text because the bible doesn't say Jesus was in America.

Then you don't know enough about science or religion. If the gods, angels, and Christ himself, could ascend and descend to and from the heavens, and fly across the sky in their chariots (spacecraft), then it's safe to say that they could have, and likely would have, visited many or all parts of the world. Not one tiny part of the world only.

There are more religions on this world than just Christianity. There are religions where the people believe their god or creator is from the stars. If one were to read the bible in a more scientific and open-minded fashion, it would then be obvious that our creator was from the stars as well.

But that's a whole other debate.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Is Proofs that he is capable of bias and shoddy work.

You forgot to add "in my opinion" to your statement. It's only your opinion based on your "shoddy" research and knowledge of science and religion.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
EDIT: Also, how convenient that they came forward about were they got the sample after the person died.

How convenient it is for you to not read and comprehend my post to make such a horrible and unfounded accusation.

Ms. MacKinlay was the one who chose to remain anonymous in the beginning while the dust was being tested. She, herself, decided to come forward and was interviewed in the latest Loose Change documentary: "An American Coup". She came forward and admitted herself that she was the source of some of the dust that Dr. Jones (and a few others) had tested.

I'll await your apology for not reading my post thoroughly before commenting, and making such an egregious accusation.

reply to post by SteveR


Your either an idiot or a government# shill, Not-So-Good-Bye!

This guy is full of BS. Was he really a truther or is he just doing the governments dirty work by peddling propaganda to discredit people who question the OS? There are legitimate questions about 9/11 that need to be answered which the government has decided to ignore.

This reminds me of the time when Bush and Cheany called people who question the war in Iraq un-American. Our media stood by and never investigated if the WMD story was true. We later found out it was just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

After no WMD's were found, our government changed it's mission. Again, our media stood by and didn't call out our government for continuing the Iraqi occupation and waging war on a sovereign country.

If you don't think our government lies or tries to cover-up their dirty deeds, just read some of these cover-ups and these are just for the Iraq war.

APRIL 1, 2003: Pfc. Jessica Lynch recovered by U.S. forces. What the Pentagon framed as a heroic rescue was later revealed to have been staged. [Guardian, 5/15/03]

APRIL 9, 2003: Saddam Statue Toppled The Los Angeles Times later reported that the fall was “stage-managed” by the Army. [LAT, 7/3/04]

MAY 9, 2003: Paul Wolfowitz: We agreed on WMD rationale for bureaucratic reasons The truth is that, for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason [to go to war]. [Wolfowitz, 5/9/03]

NOVEMBER 8, 2005: Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004 [Independent, 11/8/05]

MARCH 19, 2006: Time Magazine reveals that U.S. Marines killed at least 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians in Haditha the previous November

According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha on Nov. 19 were killed not by a roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves, who went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children. [Time, 3/19/06]

APRIL 23, 2006: A former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller, reveals evidence that Bush was told before the war by a high-level Iraqi informant that Iraq did not possess WMD [CBS News, 4/23/06]

AUGUST 21, 2006: Bush acknowledges Iraq had “nothing” to do with 9/11. [Fox News, 8/21/2006]

APRIL 24, 2007: Tillman family accuses Bush administration of twisting the facts. In “explosive testimony” today, Kevin Tillman, brother of Cpl. Pat Tillman, the former NFL player who was killed in action in Afghanistan, “accused the Bush administration of twisting the facts of his brother’s death to distract public attention from the prisoner abuses at Abu Ghraib.” [LAT, 4/24/07]

JULY 8, 2007: Powell: ‘I tried to avoid this war.’ The former American secretary of state Colin Powell has revealed that he spent 2½ hours vainly trying to persuade President George W Bush not to invade Iraq and believes today’s conflict cannot be resolved by US forces. [The Sunday Times, 7/8/07]

JULY 18, 2007: After years of misleading excuses, Pentagon seeks lifesaving vehicles for troops in Iraq.

Islamic terrorism? Last time I checked American Terrorism is top of the food chain...

America is currently the most massively destructive country that I know of. What planet are you on?

Islam is a religion, not a terrorist organization.

The Truthers are a loose term for those who aren't open to any other explanation. The truth is the truth, not a person or belief.

People who can't fathom that other countries or peoples may be mad at the US, are terrified of that truth.

People who don't take the time to understand mechanics or physics of the 911 destruction are not looking for truth, just settling for their own limited understanding.

Those on here who support the Official line about 911, WMD, and the War on Terror are either dupes or cronies.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


So you believe in Jone's behold in hands research then? I have read genesis and many different books of the bible, I have also read the Quran. Nowhere does it say the Jesus was in America. You point out angels, but he was man and at the time of history was not capable of going to America. I don't see any reason to argue this anyways, since he was not a chemist.

Fine I will apologize about the loose change interview. Now I want you to apologize for taking what I said out of context and ignoring the fact the man is not a licensed or trained chemist and has no expertise in that field whatsoever.

Now I ask you to explain how those bombs got in there? I suppose the Government just poofed them in by sheer will then?


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Then I suppose everything else I've contributed to this thread just didn't happen then?

reply to post by SteveR


EDWARD CURRENT IS SATIRE YOU IDIOT

Second.

Lee Hamilton, co-chair of the 9/11 commission, describing in a nutshell the nonsensical and full of holes report.

Interview in Canadian TV, 2006:

"""Look, I can go before any audience in America today and I can raise so many questions about 9/11 - raise questions, not answer questions, raise questions - about the investigation. And everbody in the audience will walk out saying 'the government misled us or lied to us.' It's a very easy thing to do! I can raise questions about our own report!"""

www.911truth.org...

reply to post by SteveR


Finally truthers are waking up from their fantasy world were the government is nothing more than an evil organization trying to get them and want to control the human race.
I have to admit I was also a truther sheep that believed all of the bull they said, and watched ALOT of videos from them. But once I started to do my own research realized that they always mix real facts with fantasy and leave out important facts that they don't want in all of their videos.

I'll give you a star and a flag once I figure out how, I'm kinda new here.