Greece to Build First Official Mega-Mosque in Athens, After Muslims Threaten Uprise

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


You're such a racist without realising it. Giving into the whim of what's expected of you. I'm glad the majority aren't so eager to follow propaganda. The word Sheeple is oft over-used, but you my friend define the word I mention.

I doubt I'll make you realise that, but I can only hope I help you come to realise your blind ignorance... I hate the term... 'Deny ignorance' (anyone can deny, but in the end it's just an idiots marketing slogan. Deny ignorance minus ignorance!).... Hopefully not just deny ignorance, but through actually understanding, deny it through irrefutable understanding.

Brother, you're being fooled. This majority populace are foolish.

Brother. Heil Hitler!!! ???

The secrets of society have you, us (?) right where they want you, us (?).

I know my friend, when the time comes soon, there's so few of us that realise you are wrong. It's too late though, they have you and now 'we few' fight alone. (we not meaning Muslims, we meaning The LAST. It's here! Now! Brother! What was you to know... Goodbye friend). >nine< hundred the last beacon

reply to post by Sed Non Credo


"Zomg! You RACIST!" Give it a break buddy.

How can you be racist towards a religious belief? Does that mean that everyone who is against Christianity is racist? (Even though there are black, white, Asian Christians?) I mean seriously, grow up. Just because someone doesn't share the same belief as you do, doesn't make their views racist.

Sometimes I wonder where the ATS I loved has gone.

The building of this garrison for the Islamic Empire on the holy soil of Greece should not be permitted. In fact, the notion that Muslims walk upon Greek soil makes one wretch.

What is the matter with you, Greece? Why do you submit to a culture and people who desire to see you submit to Allah and pray towards Mecca, where there is enshrined a black rock from space?

Now is the time to put down any Muslim aggression and reclaim your land.

1,400 years of violent Jihad against the non-Muslims of planet Earth must stop. Stop Jihad, Stop Sharia. Stop killing apostates. Stop the Islamic Empire from extinguishing the Light of Greece.

reply to post by Sed Non Credo

You're such a racist without realising it

here we go again so if i am agaisnt muslims building mosuqes i am a racist? thats pretty insulting alot of greeks arent welcoming the muslims immgrants either nor this mosuqe since greece is a land full of other immgrants not mention greeks have there own problems.

These muslims in greece are immgrants and already have a mosuqe,there mutifs were pushing the greek goverment to build one.

reply to post by ArMaP

they always talk about Muslim immigrants. Aren't there any Greek Muslims? And even if there aren't any Greek Muslims, what's the problem with immigrants?

There are no Greek Muslims only immigrants, when i went to greece the last time i have been told by an immigrant whose working as a taxi driver in athens, immigrants dont have a right to citizenships unless you have money to get a citizenship

what's the problem with immigrants?

The Greeks dont want there own french Muslim riot, i assure how bad that went in french back in 2009 if i remember correctally?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
There are no Greek Muslims only immigrants, when i went to greece the last time i have been told by an immigrant whose working as a taxi driver in athens, immigrants dont have a right to citizenships unless you have money to get a citizenship

That's a little strange, in a country with 11 million inhabitants, some from Turkish and Albanian descent.

The Greeks dont want there own french Muslim riot, i assure how bad that went in french back in 2009 if i remember correctally?

The way you wrote it looks like it was a religious problem, when, in fact, it was not. The November 2005 (time flies, doesn't it?) riots had mostly young people from North Africa descent, so, Muslims, but it was not because they were Muslims, it was because they were from the poor neighbourhoods.

People really need to stop being afraid of Islam. Some of its' adherents are a problem, yes; but the religion itself really isn't as bad as people keep trying to imply.

Even if an Islamic majority does end up being the case, it is at least two decades away; and that also assumes that Western birth rates don't improve.

Fear will not help you.

im sick of hearing how these muslims make threats of cry racism as soon as they dont get their own way.
let them uprise i say and then just shoot them down!
im not racist in any shape or form but enough is enough!

what's the problem with immigrants?

They are illegal.Most of them,especially the ones from Middle East and Africa.

I'm from Greece and for most of the Greeks(not me ) religion is a very big matter.

Already the center of Athens is a ghetto and certain areas are "forbidden" especially after dark.Everyday i read reports of military patrols arresting more illegal immigrants,trying to cross the borders(both land and sea).

As many mentioned above Greece already has a huge problem with the economy.We just can't sustain them.We can't even sustain ourselves anymore.Everyday they talk about new taxes(to save the country from bankrupt) and they want to make a mosque?Why? Because they are so usefull to Greece....Please...

They are not citizents of this country and they have no right to make demands/threats like that.They don't pay taxes and a big percentage of them do illegal jobs(drugs,prostitution,selling stolen stuff on the streets,steal etc).The immigrants have zero respect for the citizents and in many cases they threaten us.Why should we respect them?

If they build the mosque the attacks against the muslims will become more frequent and the whole thing will cause more problems than they imagine.

Man, they have the same problem as us in France!

The tax payers are going to pay for their mosque. It looks like France has gotten forced to do the same.

Of course, none of the other existing religions, including the most popular one (catholicism) get THEIR churches paid for by the state... they have to come up with the funds amongst themselves.

I tell ya, once the state is funding the construction of places of worship for a certain religion, that religion has just become the official one of the country and the new power. Sounds like Greece had been bullied like France has- and it really is not the time for it!

Originally posted by Phantom traveller
They are not citizents of this country and they have no right to make demands/threats like that.

Do you have any real link to those threats? As far as I have seen they appear only on some articles, with no real evidence of their existence.

Why should we respect them?

Because, I suppose, Greeks liked to be respected when they immigrated to other countries.

If they build the mosque the attacks against the muslims will become more frequent and the whole thing will cause more problems than they imagine.

It looks like Greece isn't a place where I would like to live...

Originally posted by Beavers
why do want to stop people from praying to their god?

why on earth do you give a f#?

God. hypothetical, unproven, belief.

Mankind, real.

The real people are the ones whom have been threatened.

Originally posted by On the level
Its the way of the world, cant wait until a Christian terrorist flies a plan into Mecca as see how they like it, cant wait for the people to snap and for the muslims to be put in their place in Europe. We do not want their religion or laws, if they wish to live under sharia then go to a country that has these backward customs. I am a bit of a paradox as I defend Palestinians and their right to live, however I hate the creeping islamification of Europe and the attitude of muslims hear that they can do as they wish and dictate how we live to suit their #ed up religion

edit on 14/9/11 by On the level because: (no reason given)

Lol, they don't want to live under Sharia law, that's why they come to countries such as ours.

All I can say, with all the fear mongering regarding Muslims, is let them try to uprise. Their numbers are so low that the indignous people will put them back in their place.

People are falling for this 'Muslims are bad' nonsense. It's what TPTB want. They need a boogey man.

Remember the 70's and 80's? It was the communists that wanted to take over the world and enforce their beliefs on us. Now it's the Muslims.

Don't worry, I'm sure it will be China's turn soon.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
God. hypothetical, unproven, belief.

Mankind, real.

The real people are the ones whom have been threatened.

The problem is that those threats, at this point, are as hypothetical and unproven as god(s).

to me....
the question isn't weather or not they have a right to a place of worship.....
it's weather or not a country that is so far in debt and so close to default should be the ones footing the bill....

they moved to greece for a reason, what was that reason...to destroy greece??
if that wasn't the reason, well, they should be saying no to the idea of funding the mosque also!!

or well, that funding, might turn out to be the tipping point that causes the house of cards to tumble down (if a tipping point is even needed at this point), and well, they will lose the things that came to greece for along with everyone else in the country....

If there are muslims in Greece , it is just democracy to allow people to build their house of worship.

European Christians seem hell bent on denying European Muslims their right to worship .

The fact is these radical Islamists see this as their final struggle in a 14 century long war. The secular types here in the West are too 'open minded' to see what is happening right before their eyes, they have grown too trusting of other people after growing up in such a peaceful world (relatively speaking). How many people born after 1950 have witnessed a war in Western Europe or the United States that actually involves their cities? None. But let me tell you this is not just some 'boogeyman' created by your supposed tptb, these people are real and their goal is clear.

Us Christians and even the Secularists not tainted by the Frankfurt School can see what is going on. They defeated one Christian power in the 1980s now they want to defeat the other. If they manage to destroy the US economically then they will win and everything keeping them from finally seizing control over Europe will be obliterated. And what will the Europeans do? Cry about racism towards the ones who are saying "hey um do you see them guys coming here with grenade launchers and AK-47s?"

reply to post by 23432


Perhaps it is because the stated goals of Islam for the last 1,400 years has been to force all peoples of planet Earth to submit to Allah and pray towards mecca and the back rock from space enshrined there.

Perhaps it is because that no matter where one chooses to look in both space and time, the sad fact is that when muslims interface with non-muslims, there is violent Jihad.

Perhaps it because we do not desire our children to suffer the same fate as the children of Beslan who where slaughtered by jihading muslims for no reason other than they were not muslims.

Democracy would be the removal of Islam from Greek culture. Islam is not in Greece to participate in Greek culture, Islam is there to replace Greek culture with Islamic Culture. Classical Greek culture, the Light of Greece, which has illuminated western thought for thousands of years is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the anti-human, death worshiping Islamic culture.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


Too easily people forget the fact that we are not fighting against other people we are fighting FOR people. The culture that Greece has given us from its Pagan roots through Christianity, the Aristotle and Plato, democracy and ‘The Republic’, the beautiful statues and the ‘Iliad’, not one of these things would have been possible if Greece were Islamic; all of these beautiful things would have been smashed to pieces and left in the rubble of a once great civilization. We too easily forget that when we speak of Muslims from these foreign lands we are speaking of people with an entirely different civilization, thought process, morals, ethics, and perception of the world.

We are not talking about your neighbor down the street who happens to be Muslim; we are talking about people who are holding onto what they have been taught. It is their blood; they are not forgetting this like we have. There are many among them who wish nothing but a better life here, they have gotten good paying jobs, an education, and are leaving the riff-raff behind. But there remains a strong element which wishes for nothing more than the blood of every kuffa to flow in the streets from Athens to Oslo. If you think some law is going to stop them from doing what they have been waiting 14 centuries to do, you obviously have never actually taken the time to learn history. They are of a different civilization for a reason. We fought them numerous times, for a reason. They have occupied our lands whether it be Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Greece, the Balkans, or Hungary.

It was because our will was strong that we pushed them back. Now after centuries of failure they decided to take advantage of our one weakness; trust. We trust too easily, love too much, and look the other way too often. Our civilization is distracted and they know it. I never doubted the intelligence or dedication of these people, I have doubted ours though. And I for one do not want to see Greece, France, Belgium, Germany, the United Kingdom, or any other nation in our civilization crumble because we fell into a mindset of utopian dreaming. There is too much at stake to just watch people squander everything our ancestors, our blood, have fought and died for to protect.

This is a war and we are losing.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by 23432

 

Perhaps it is because the stated goals of Islam for the last 1,400 years has been to force all peoples of planet Earth to submit to Allah and pray towards mecca and the back rock from space enshrined there.

No Compulsion in Islam .
Ottomans who ruled over Greeks for a long time , didn't do anything forcefull to change the religion of Greeks . How do you explain the 600 years of existence of the Greeks in Ottoman empire as Christians .

Reading your explanation of how things are/were leads one to understand that if a muslim ruler ever gets the chance to exercise power over a non-muslim ; then the non muslim will be forced to convert to Islam .

If this is the case , how it was then the Ottomans never forced all Christians to convert or die ?

Surely , if the stated goal of Islam was to force non muslims to convert , didn't the Ottomans have 600 years of rule over Christians ?
When Ottoman Empire defeated the Byzantines in 1453 ; Greeks were Christians .

When Ottoman Empire disolved in early 1900's , Greeks were still Christians .


I guess Ottomans didn't adhere to this " stated goal " of forcefull conversions in Islam .



Perhaps it is because that no matter where one chooses to look in both space and time, the sad fact is that when muslims interface with non-muslims, there is violent Jihad.

My experience teaches me that the jew , christian and muslim can and do live together in peace .

Perhaps it because we do not desire our children to suffer the same fate as the children of Beslan who where slaughtered by jihading muslims for no reason other than they were not muslims.

Wahabi school of thought which you seem to think as a force within muslim world , is really not a force at all .
These wahabist terrorists don't represent the 1.5 billion muslims worldwide .
There are European muslims and there are European Christians .
European Christians can't tolerate their brethen choosing a different religion .

hmmm

Universal values of European Civilisation are not so Universal perhaps .


Democracy would be the removal of Islam from Greek culture.

No . Actually it would make sure the modern Greek culture is totally intolerant towards others .


Islam is not in Greece to participate in Greek culture, Islam is there to replace Greek culture with Islamic Culture.

If Greeks were to convert and become a larger part muslim world , yes , the Greek culture would be lost within all the other cultures of muslim world .
I don't see the Greeks converting soon .

SO you need not worry and the Turks didn't forcefully converted all of you to Islam in 600 years when they ruled as rulers .
I think you have a dying culture but it's nothing to do with the existence of Islam .

Like Byzantines before you , Greece fails to understand the dynamics of the masses of humans in her vicinity .



Classical Greek culture, the Light of Greece, which has illuminated western thought for thousands of years is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the anti-human, death worshiping Islamic culture.

What thousands of years you are talking about ?

Up untill the 60's , segregation was normality in western nations . Thankfully most of the western nations caught up .

Classic Greek Culture also embraced slavery , sexsim , sodomy , discrimination etc, etc .

I think you have a rosy tinted coloured nostalgic view of the past , present and future .

I think you are an orthodox christian zionist .

Babylon shall not rise again .