The Microwave Oven: Is it actually hurting us? Likely so it appears...

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Microwaves are safe. Microwaving plastic is bad but the physics behind microwaves is completely safe. If you stand outside the microwave and run it, you won't get cancer.

reply to post by OG_SWAGGA_KING

I have a idea, why dont someone do a study showing the cancer rate or any other realated diseases increase since microwave was invented and another before it was invented.

Cancer is caused by damaged DNA, non ionizing radiation can't modify a cell, only excite the water molecules within it. As proven, in almost every post I posted in this thread. do you guys just filter out the contrary information off hand automatically now?

anyways, I re-read this entire thread and still can not see where I called anyone an idiot, or anything even close. I'm not saying I haven't, it's rather hard not to specifically when dealing with people like that guy who complained, but nothing in this thead comes close.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

And YET without a skip in their step, they outright blame the Sun for skin cancer (which is hogwash in my opinion). The poisons we ingest and crap we put on our skin (that clogs the sweat glands) is most likely the culprit.

Human_Alien, you are SOOOO right. And thanks for bringing up the "sun causing skin cancer" thing. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP that is. SUNSCREEN causes skin cancer from what I've gathered.... OH.....the irony......

I couldn't agree withcha more. Irony is putting it mildly. It's more like global genocide.

reply to post by Human_Alien

I couldn't agree withcha more. Irony is putting it mildly. It's more like global genocide.

The sun is bombarding the earth constantly with ionizing radiation. the type that causes cancer.

THAT said, from a few studies I've seen, using sunblock actually increases your risks.

Wow Muzzle, I have always wondered about microwave ovens. For years I was afraid to use them, then after I moved to a house that had one, I caved in and started to use it. Someone said it does change the molecules, but I had never heard any had scientific evidence. The whole polarity reversal thing is kinda spooky. I am also wondering about that group that opposed the exposure of this in the public arena. Is it labor related?

Years ago, I took macrobiotic cooking classes, and I learned that cooking with fire is considered the most healthy macrobiotic way, but I still prefer electric ranges because I don't like gas stoves. You have to light the pilot when they go out.

I haven't used a microwave in about 14 years

i just never really trusted them

plus, the food ends up weird and squishy

they say microwave popcorn is absolutely horrendous for you...lots o chemicals

Originally posted by BadBoYeed
I haven't used a microwave in about 14 years

i just never really trusted them

plus, the food ends up weird and squishy

they say microwave popcorn is absolutely horrendous for you...lots o chemicals

Well the popcorn thing does have to do with a toxic chemical released when it cooks in the oven. I heard about a man who had popcorn every day from the microwave and he would breathe in that chemical. People think it smells so good but its just that toxic chemical being released. Creepy stuff.
The food never really does seem normal, as you also say.

im calling bs.i actually install microwave systems on radio towers.i was burned by my last install.i had the coaxial next to my leg while it was disconnected and hot.it took ten minutes and i didnt even notice for a week.it was like a poison ivy rash.it itcned and took a week to heal.this was a low power system but way stronger than an oven.in an oven situation yes it is ac power,but the chemical breakdown of molecules is the same way.anything that is carbonized is carcinogenic.

Makes me glad i was inspired by this video and ones like it one day whilst bored and broke my microwave. The only thing i miss is chicken tika massala . Actually i think I'll buy a new one screw cancer I'm immune or not but it;'s worth it.

again i can't help but look at the avg life expectancy from the time microwaves came out to know..... yep we are still living longer now then we used too.

i'll keep nuking my food

Take a litre of water (quart) and some fresh seeds, plant the seeds and germinate them, heat the water in the microwave, let it cool and use a little to water the plants.
Do this everyday, after around 8 exposures to microwave energy the water becomes toxic to the plant, it deforms and literally burns it where it comes into contact, the more you expose the water the more damage it does.

This experiment bothered me a great deal because although the ambient levels of microwave radiation are nothing like those found in your microwave oven, water is being constantly exposed to varying energetic levels of microwave energy, from many sources and the amount of sources is increasing.
It seems that damage to water is cumulative, everytime i see a mobile telephone mast on top of something like a water tower i think to myself not enough people know how damaging this is.

Would water fall back into it's "natural" state or is it permanently "Damaged"?.
If anyone can help me with this if they have an answer as i have not been able to find anything definitive please tell me.

Its funny you mentioned timetravel earlier ,this thread really reminded me of a scene
from an anime which I watched recently ,
involving the concept of achieving time travel with microwaves..

...the food from microwaves is a bit weird ,but have any of you seen it this weird?



I prefer not to use the microwave but like so many others it hasn't been long since I used one..

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Doesn't non ionizing radiation destroy the covalent bonds?.

"Most of the studies mentioned above concluded that the microwave effect, if it existed, was indistinguishable from the effects of external heating. However, it was recently demonstrated (Kakita 1995) that the microwave effect is distinguishable from external heating by the fact that it is capable of extensively fragmenting viral DNA, something that heating to the same temperature did not accomplish. This experiment consisted of irradiating a bacteriophage PL-1 culture at 2450 MHz and comparing this with a separate culture heated to the same temperature. The DNA was mostly destroyed, a result that does not occur from heating alone. These photos are borrowed from Kakita et al (1995), permission pending".

"In the Kakita experiment the survival percentage was approximately the same whether the samples were heated or irradiated with microwaves, but evaluation by electrophoresis and electron microscopy showed that the DNA of the microwaved samples had mostly disappeared. In spite of the evolving complexity of all the previous experiments, electrophoresis had not been used to compare irradiated and externally heated samples prior to this. Electron microscopy had been used to study the bacteriocidal effects of microwaves (Rosaspina 1993, 1994) and these results also showed that microwaves had effects that were distinguishable from those of external heating".

"The energy level of a microwave photon is only 10-5 eV, whereas the energy required to break a covalent bond is 10 eV, or a million times greater. Based on this fact, it has been stated in the literature that "microwaves are incapable of breaking the covalent bonds of DNA" (Fujikawa 1992, Jeng 1987), but this has apparently occurred in the Kakita experiment, even though this may be only an indirect effect of the microwaves".

"There is, in fact, plenty of evidence to indicate that there are alternate mechanisms for causing DNA covalent bond breakage without invoking the energy levels of ionizing radiation (Watanabe 1985, 1989, Ishibashi 1982, Kakita 1995, Kashige 1995, Kashige 1990, 1994). Still, no theory currently exists to explain the phenomenon of DNA fragmentation by microwaves although research is ongoing which may elucidate the mechanism (Watanabe 1996)".

"The results of microwave irradiation affected two bacteria, S. aureus and E. coli. The death curves exhibited classic exponential decay with ab appararent shoulder, as well as a possible second stage. These curves are based on data from Kakita etal (1999)".

"The microwave frequency used in the Kakita study was the standard 2450 MHz used in conventional microwave ovens. This is the same frequency that was used in essentially all prior studies, except for the earliest studies (which looked at lower frequencies), and sonic resonant studies, which looked at much higher frequencies. The early studies showed that DNA tended to absorb microwave radiation "in the kilocycle range" (Takashima 1963, 1966, Grant 1978, Grandolfo 1983), but no biocidal effects in the range of 1 MHz to 60 MHz were observed".



So it is possible for non ionising radiation to cause damage to DNA, possibly a two stage effect as mentioned later in the article.

"In summary, it would seem there is reason to believe that the microwave effect does indeed exist, even if it cannot yet be adequately explained. What we know at present is somewhat limited, but there may be enough information already available to form a viable hypothesis. The possibility that electromagnetic radiation in the non-ionizing frequency range can cause genetic damage may have profound implications on the current controversy involving EM antennae, power lines, and cell phones".

"A Theory of Microwave Induced DNA Covalent Bond Breakage A review of the data from the various referenced experiments shows a common pattern -- for the first few minutes of irradiation there is no pronounced effect, and then a cascade of microbial destruction occurs. The data pattern greatly resembles the dynamics of a capacitor; first there is an accumulation of energy, and then a catastrophic release. It may simply indicate a threshhold temperature has been reached, or it may indicate a two-stage process is at work".

The second stage of this process may very well be the accumulation of oxygen radicals, which would certainly seem to be primary suspects as they have a considerable propensity for dissociating the covalent bonds of DNA. Oxygen radicals can be generated by the disruption of a hydrogen bond on a water molecule. Water molecules exist alongside DNA molecules as "bound" water, two or three layers thick. These water molecules share a hydrogen bond with component atoms of the DNA backbone, including carbon, nitrogen and other oxygen atoms. At any given point in time one of the hydrogen atoms may be primarilly bonded to either an oxygen atom on the water molecule, or to an oxygen (or other) atom on the DNA backbone.

Non ionising radiation damage to DNA


link to RFsafe?

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Are there any long term health studies carried out on this?

Microwaves have been commercially available for 64 years.

Plenty of time to see a trend.

I don't know. Many of the old folks mostly have cancers these days. It's impossible to tell where from, with 100s of different types of cancers in any organ conceivable.

I am just looking for proof that this isn't a likely source.

But Cancer isn't a new thing....it's been around for a very long time. Animals in the wild regularly die from cancer at rates that are comparable to humans. www.livescience.com...

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75


But Cancer isn't a new thing....it's been around for a very long time. Animals in the wild regularly die from cancer at rates that are comparable to humans. www.livescience.com...

You are twisting the findings.

These are studies from the modern era, but you are claiming/insinuating it indicates there was incidence in the past on par with incidence rates today. This is an incorrect conclusion without legitimate grounds.

If it is pollution causing cancer rates to explode in humans, wouldn't you expect to see plants and animals exhibit the same characteristics since pollution affects them the same way it affects us?

Can you show us a study pre-Industrial Revolution era which indicates that animals had widespread cancer rates? I highly doubt it.

Anyone who believes that the cancer epidemic is related to pollution, would have to by default expect that the animal kingdom will be affected as a whole.

reply to post by The X


Thank you I will try to find some of the sources you linked, I read the article you linked it is interesting thanks.

I am currently researching the specifics of covalent bonds. I'll be back in a bit.

Thanks again.

Only 2-3 people have shared a compilation of research, pro and con. This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you guys for being willing to provide me with more studies to look over so that I can attempt to figure out what is really going on here.

I want to find out if there is a connection between the electro-magnetic radiation emitted by a microwave oven and how this may or may not cause notable effects on covalent bonds. It seems this is an area where not many solid answers are available but tons of hypothesis/theories appear everywhere.

This is turning out to be a very difficult nut to crack. I'll be back later after I read up some more about this.

Originally posted by LimitedHorizons
Makes me glad i was inspired by this video and ones like it one day whilst bored and broke my microwave.

The only thing i miss is chicken tika massala . Actually i think I'll buy a new one screw cancer I'm immune or not but it;'s worth it.

edit on 13-9-2011 by LimitedHorizons because: You Tube Link Non-Functional.

If microwave energy "ONLY" affects "H2O" molecules like claimed by so many :

Than how the hell does a Compact Disk react in this manner?

How much water is in a CD? Maybe a little but, seriously it's got this much water in it?

If there is very little to no water molecules within a compact disk's material; how the hell does it melt/burn?

Also, when I open them Microwave oven after cooking for 5 minutes or longer, why isn't the air super-heated? This is interesting because we all know the air itself contains tons' of water vapor. Shouldn't it become heated as well?

I realize I am missing some important facts here. So I will seek answers to these questions in my research tonight and hopefully find out a reasonable explanation chemically of how the CD burns/reacts and why the air is not super heated when you open the microwave door.

reply to post by Wrong


Regardless of health issues microwaves are a result of our modern lifestyles which demand whatever it is we are waiting for right away. I have a microwave that I use for heating up leftovers of meals the next day etc, but am starting to use the oven or pans etc. It is much more rewarding to make your own food, micro meals have it all done for you and I always feel like a little kid who can't make a normal meal when I use them.

Im 24 now and when I left home at 17 ate loads of these. When I started cooking properly I started to enjoy food so much more and realised I had been missing out big time. Making a curry yourself rather than a microwave one is not only much cheaper (you can make 2 or 3 times as much for slightly more than one microwave curry meal) and being able to alter the taste to your personal liking means you will get better tasting food (also by using better ingredients) Also girls love a guy who can cook, a lot of girls here in the UK are used to young men not being able to do anything more than a fry up and make a girl a meal yourself is a sire way to really impress.

When I have kids Im 100% guna remove all microwaves from a house and bring them up learning to cook food properly. Im glad this has been looked into as well, I always felt microwaves seemed dangerous and thought that it was a very bizarre way to cook food. This info should be made more public, but Mr Average here in the UK wont give up their cheap disgusting micro burgers/chips/etc over a petty warning about health. Its a shame but a lot of people nowdays are so lazy they would risk their health rather than change their habit of quick micro food. prbably addicted to all those flavouring and colourings as well I'd have thought.

I was once told a story about a guy who worked in a cafe. Under the counter he had 2 microwaves. As there was not a great deal of space behind there the microwave doors got in the way so he took them off and jammed the sensor so they would work without the doors.

After working in this situation for some time I became very ill and was sent for a scan and basically he had slowly cooked his kidneys from the inside out and later died.

Hello everyone I have not read every response in this thread so forgive me if I am repeating what has already been stated. I felt strongly about contributing some information I had learned about microwave ovens. I am going to quote from a magazine. Title is Nexus - June/July 2010 Volume 17 Number 14. It is an Australian publication.

I will paraphrase and then quote exactly what was written. I found a very interesting Letter To The Editor from a gentleman who is a retired radio and television technician and worked in that industry for 50 years...last job was specialising in the repair of televisions, amplifiers and microwave ovens.

...over my training period I learned that they heat the food by a process of biomolecular friction. In other words the water in the food vibrates at an incredible speed of 2.4 GHz or 2,400,000,000 times per second. I also learned that the frequency of 2.4 GHz was picked worldwide because the water molecules vibrate the easiest at this frequency.(page 5)

So the selection of that frequency was convenient for the manufacturers and not necessarily safe for the consumer. If a higher or lower frequency was utilised it would not make the microwave ovens very efficient.The gentleman continues...

...was walking through a shop that sells cordless phones and I was shocked to see, written on some phones the frequency of 2.4 GHz. My cordless phone is 900 MHz or 0.9 GHz...holding a 2.4 GHz cordless phone to your head would 'vibrate' the liquid molecules in your brain very easily. I think that in ten years time there will be a lot of people with brain tumours. (page 5).

Personally I have never wanted a microwave and have stated to friends that if someone purchased one for me as a gift I probably would not use it. Just a sense, gut feeling, intuition call it what you will. I also recall reading an article that mentioned not standing in front of a microwave while it is operational. That statement is usually in the users manual and should be seen as a warning and not an instruction. I also learned that whatever is behind the microwave will be affected as well. My understanding is that the microwaves travel through barriers like your standard household walls.

Take care everyone and Much Much Peace.