Time Travelers Footprints Found (interesting arguement)

Originally posted by Blue Shift
The biggest problem with the time traveler artifacts is that sometimes they look like other things. Like the balls with the lines on them. Some kind of ball-like thing could sit in water half way up and erode or get eaten by sea critters in lines. They could also have been worn down into grooves by people using them as bolo balls to hunt game. Footprints? Some kind of animal footprint that flattens out or fills with mud a certain way.

I would love to see some good evidence of time travelers, although if they really wanted to keep their activities a secret they could always go back until they get the evidence they left behind. I think that accounts of sightings of "angels" at places like Jesus's tomb sound a lot more like time-traveling humans than aliens.

The Earth buries its past pretty deep, though.

Yeah but time traveling Humans don't wave a hand and make romans gaurding Jesus' tomb fall asleep, and time travel is impossible, there are not humans from the future because mankind will wipe itself out left to its own devices, so there can be no time travel. The amount of energy it would take is beyond mankinds ability to create.

Yeah but time traveling Humans don't wave a hand and make romans gaurding Jesus' tomb fall asleep, and time travel is impossible, there are not humans from the future because mankind will wipe itself out left to its own devices, so there can be no time travel. The amount of energy it would take is beyond mankinds ability to create.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Not true. Time travel does not exist in our reality... yet. But is certainly does/did happen, and "we" are visited frequently. There are almost no interactions, as they cause chaotic timeline shifts, close to the concept of alternate universes, but in a very localized context. Most "UFO's" are time traveling objects.

Take the concept to an unbelievable level:

Since you can never see the world through the brain, ears and eyes of another human being, it is questionable that they really exist at all, and you are the only intelligence in your copy of a "Universe". Everything you experience is conceived, contemplated and manufactured by you, whatever "you" are. Try and prove that this is not a possibility.

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I went to the site you linked.

I believe I will be on that site for most of the evening tonight. Thank you.

reply to post by anon72


Hi Anon

You said in the OP

"...Source: www.illuminol.net... Now, this article actually makes sense to me. Especially with all the things I have learned or discovered since finding ATS. To me, Time Travel would be the most likely aspect of these finds that we have that can't be explained. I really think it is more along the lines of current beliefs and science have our history wrong, incomplete or just don't possess the evidence to show that the human race has been on this planet a LONG LONG TIME> What do you think?"

Well, I've now read the linked article and I have a couple of points/questions for you if thats ok?

Q. If Time Travel is the most likely explanation for the various anomalous finds mentioned in the above linked web page, could you please explain why a technologically advanced time-traveler would have in his possession;

A screw
A nail
An Iron Pot
Machined Balls?
Bare Feet
or Shoes with "stitches" visible on the soles?

P1. It seems highly unlikely to me, that a technologically advanced time-traveller would have any of these things.

Alternative Hypothesis...
I'm a firm believer that the earth has gone through many cycles of creation/destruction (including the development of advanced civilisations).
These cycles may have come to an end by natural means (large comet impact, axis/pole shift etc)
or by the actions of those advanced civilisations themselves (nuclear war, pollution etc)
Any remnants of these advanced civilisations, having survived the destruction of their civilisation, would be forced to return to a very basic "survival mode" existence, without the infrastructure or technology that their civilisation had developed.
Imagine for example, if a huge comet hit us tomorrow, and 99.9% of life on our planet is destroyed.
Massive earthquakes and tsunamis plague the surviving individuals.
The suns rays are blacked out by months of dust clouds, killing most of the plant life and plunging the temperatures way down.
All power is lost.
The few remaining humans have to scratch an existence by whatever means they can.
They gather a few weapons.
Manage to hoard some fuel maybe.
They scavenge, they hunt whatever animals are left alive, they live off of whatever tinned foods they can find, clean drinking water is very scarce.
Disease is rife.
They will literally be fighting other humans for the right to live.
Everyone left alive, will be competing for very limited resources, many more will die.
It is not safe to be around other humans, so the cities become deserted wastelands.
In a few years, the ammunition has run out, the fuel has run out.
Any machines which still worked would eventually wear out.
The buildings, without proper maintenance, fall into disrepair and collapse.
Clothes wear out. Shoes wear out.
The survivors don't have the skills or knowledge to make new parts for the machines, or make ammunition or fuel.
But somehow they've survived. They've found shelter, perhaps in caves.
They've even managed to rediscover how to make fire, (we all know it's possible with friction right?).
and so it begins...
After a while, they no longer have cars, guns, or computers...
But they remember that early civilisations used spears and maybe bows & arrows.
They pass on the basic skills that they learn and slowly but surely start again.
They leave a bare foot print in the mud, which solidifies and becomes stone over the next million years.
They start using animal skins for clothing and basic shoes.
They leave a shoe-print with visible stitching in the mud...
They eventually develop the skill of releasing iron from its ore, and begin producing basic tools, pots and nails.
They drop a nail in the mud... They lose a pot which sinks in a bog...
Eventually they make alloys and develop screw nails etc
Maybe even decorated, machined balls for whatever purpose!! and they lose some...
Modern society evolves. Technology evolves. Then, many thousands of years later... a comet approaches...

These cycles may have happened several times (many "ancient" cultures like the maya believe that we are currently in the Fourth, Fifth or even Sixth cycle), so theoretically we could be seeing "anomalous" objects from civilisations which existed one, two, three or more cycles ago.

This, to me makes perfect sense. No time travel necessary.

Our current scientific community, having no coherent mass of evidence to support the theory of several cycles of civilisation, tries to fit any archeological finds into our current cycle, and that is perhaps why some of these finds are interpreted as being anomalous? But if you imagine that there have been several of these cycles, then the finds suddenly make sense.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, and thanks very much for the thought provoking thread.

GTD

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


In this time yes your right, but unless you can see into the furture then who knows what we will be able to do even 10 years from now.

In 50 years we may live 300 years and have time travel. You nor I or anyone really can know right.

Ancient pipes in China made of Iron.

www.chinaexpat.com...

And the case of the ancient Australian spaceship that put man on Earth and its rust made the soil red.

www.mysteriousaustralia.com...

This is my own take on time travel.

2020 - A device or means of time travel is invented.
2020 - The user can travel into the future because the device or means are still in use in the future.
2020 - Travelers can travel back to this date from the future because the device or means was invented in 2020 and exists.

Travelers to the past can not travel further back in time than 2020 because the device or means was not invented before that date. Because it doesn't exist.

Travelers to the future can not travel further into the future beyond the dates that devices or means don't exist.

reply to post by EnigmaAgent


You can travel to any date you want in the future, right now! All you have to do is travel near a black hole, time will slow down for you while everyone far away is still zipping thru time at the normal speed. You can also freeze yourself and wait to be awoken until a later date.

Originally posted by BIGPoJo
reply to post by EnigmaAgent

 

You can travel to any date you want in the future, right now! All you have to do is travel near a black hole, time will slow down for you while everyone far away is still zipping thru time at the normal speed. You can also freeze yourself and wait to be awoken until a later date.

No you can't do it right now because the means and devices to do so with a black hole have not been invented.

Well IMO their is something wrong. I'm gonna rule out aliens in this case for at least 99% of it. Seems to sloppy for aliens to leave this many things behind. Also if they were so advanced why would they be leaving bells, pottery, and jewlery around to be found millions of years later.

So that leaves next us with the dating of the objects. If the dating method is wrong then what other things have we had the wrong dates on.

Since the carbon dating method is controversial at best I can only speculate that these objects are quite old because they were said to be found within coal or solid rock.
If that is in fact true then thier may be evidence of time travel or that we were around more long ago then main stream science is willing to tell.

I also rule out time travel because If current theories on the matter are right like the time paradox and other theories. Make time travel seem to be very dangerous if you make one oops along the way. So leaving these artifacts behind would be the biggest no no if time travel was even legal. You would think right....

The most plausible thing that come to mind why we would find these things is that we in fact have been around alot longer then we think.
It makes the most sense. It covers the who, what,how and why???

I firmly believe that we have been around a long time. This stuff is the best evidence that supports what I believe.
They are digging up more and more ancient cites that are dating older and older as that months go by.
How many cites have been dug up and put in a basement some where cause it doesn't fit the main stream.

Ah but these days its harder to do so with the internet and other technologies that help leak these things to us.
Although big brother has his eye on us we can some what keep an eye on big brother.

Is it so hard to believe that we have been around alot longer then we think. When it comes down to it is the easiest answer, and usually the easiest answer is the correct answer.

I think we were smarter and lived longer and may have even been alot bigger. The big question is why are we the way we are now?

I think viruses may be the answer. With all the up comming finds that we may get new viruses and even bacteria comming to this planet riding on comets and meterorites now. Whose to say that we weren't around 10's of millions of years ago and almost got wiped out by these new bugs. Then re-populated and got wiped out again. This could have happened every 20 or 30 thousand years or so for millions of years.

5 million years ago comet hits or dumps a virus on us from going through tail debree, wipes us out almost, we survive but the virus changes us and we become smaller. Still have smarts and long life. We rebuild....

3.6 million years ago another event happens this time we lose alot of brain power due to virus changing us and almost wiping us out again.

2.2 million years ago another major event from space, this time the virus not only dumbs us down but we de-evolve and lose our longevity now we are running around with apes and can't tell us apart from them.

900 thousand years ago or so we get a break and this time the virus evolves us a little and other primates new competitton the ape race has begun.

200 thousand years ago yet another virus hits us and benefits us, the 2nd rise of the homo-sapien this virus gave us back most of the lost intelligence we once had but we remain smaller and live shorter lives. This last hit to our DNA however has given us the ability to reproduce at a faster rate then any other mammal. Then once we figured out farming and got back to knowing things we had forgotten about, BOOM thiers 7 billion of us within 500 years after we figured out the worlds not flat.

Its only a theory but it could have happened. It just doesn't make sense that aliens or time travers would be leaving these artifacts around. It makes more sense that in fact we left them there in another time to be found in this time.

Oh gosh, interesting speculation on time travel however, some comments on items of fact:

Antikythera mechanism - most probably NOT a device from the future unless they are believers in a geocentric solar system....

The sphere's are a naturally made and there are tens of thousands of them - the one in the picture is the best of lot. The rest are only vaguely round - see the sticky thread on 'has this been posted before'

Nothing wrong with C-14 dating - despite decades of attempts by creationist to discredit it. Like all technology it has its limitation and exceptions to its use.

Has anyone mentioned the possibility that things can, under certain conditions, fossilize faster or slower? Many of your examples mention coal. Perhaps coal forms much more quickly than is currently accepted? Just a thought to ponder.

Edit to add: I remember a theory that older fossils can re fossilize in a younger layer. Perhaps recent objects can somehow become "fossilized" into an old strata.

Hello anon, ltns...

I love this subject, if I may, I am going to post the OP from the post I made on this subject and my theory on how all this neat stuff that is found came about.

Originally posted by UberL33t
Have we done this all Before and Before and Before...?

It is theorized that the true age of the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. Source

It's believed that humans originated about 200,000 years ago in the Middle Paleolithic period in southern Africa. By 70,000 years ago, humans migrated out of Africa and began colonizing the entire planet. They spread to Eurasia and Oceania 40,000 years ago, and reached the Americas by 14,500 years ago. Source

As of 13 February 2010, the Earth's population is estimated by the United States Census Bureau to be 6,802,400,000. Source

Based on those theories, our existence is but a mere drop in the bucket.

So let’s do some math…

4,600,000,000 (earth years) ÷ 200,000 (years it’s taken our civilization to be as advanced as we are now) @ 6,802,400,000 (estimated population)

= 23,000 (give or take a few) civilizations that could have reached our current level of advancement or higher (theoretically). I haven’t forgotten the slot for the dinosaurs to have their little run of existence. There are plenty of slots within that equation for them to have had their run.

If you’ve ever seen the show Life After People on the History Channel it doesn’t take long for proof of a civilization’s accomplishments to be consumed by Earth through erosion. I can’t recall how far in the future the show actually goes off-hand, but even when they go a mere 1000 years after people, there isn’t much left to show for our existence. Now add even 20,000 years to that, there wouldn’t be much to go on as far as what the civilization had accomplished in their existence or how truly advanced said civilization had actually become. With this notion, the remnants of civilizations of previous existences, that may or may not remain for us to see today, could have stemmed from elaborate intelligent infrastructure from these past civilizations.

An example of these types of structures and remnants:

Ancient Underwater Road Discovered in Wisconsin

and the ever popular…

Bimini Road

…albeit farfetched in my opinion, this…

Who Left Us an Alphabetic Message Over Four Billion Years Old?

The aforementioned is just a theory I have and I am sure of the fact that I have not accounted for multiple variables. Merely suggesting that we think we’re this uber advanced civilization, when in fact we may qualify as mere apes in comparison to civilizations that theoretically could have inhabited this planet many times over, in the same respect, we could appear as Gods to other civilizations that may have inhabited Earth.

Look forward to your thoughts and opinions.

OP

As always, a wonderful thread anon.

What about a time vortex that opens up on the surface of the planet and travels around like a storm sucking up items and dragging them back into the past ? started by a tiny black hole colliding with Earth and causing massive damage at the same time like sucking up whole tectonic plates and creating the Himalayas ?.

The truth is we can only speculate.

I believe in time travel very much, so when I read this threads title, what instantly came to my mind is probably very different that what most would think. I feel I have to share for the benefit of discussion.

What came to my mind, was that if ancient civilizations ever existed of the type that achieved a level of technological achievement before being destroyed by whatever reason, then would it not be logical to think that it could be those past humans foot prints and or advanced metallurgical objects that we are now just discovering?

Believing in time travel could be very possible in my book, but it is also very possible that ancient civilizations of the past merely left physical evidence in foot prints and objects of advanced manufacturing precision as a result of existing in that era.

I offer this discussion in an effort to show that too often, one can get fixated on a belief such as time travel while ignoring some simple logic.

While I will admit it would require someone to think about it or brainstorm and dwell on the other possible subject matter causes to see that what I contend is very highly probable and most likely more probable than time travel where the time jump team somehow accidentally dropped a tool, left a screw or lost a watch while leaving foot steps in the mud during their time jump from the future.

I realize it is a waste of time to argue an opinion, but as opinions go, you now can now consider another possibility without as they say "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

Thanks for the thread.

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Very cool thread. Thanks for the supporting info. S&F

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