SIG 556 R

So you want a 7.62x39 but dont want to settle for a SKS or AK platform...
well there is another choice.

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this rifle has some mixed reviews... some love it some dont... I've read about one fellow who shoot a 1,200 round flawless stress test where another had nothing but jams... That tells my this rifle might be a bit finicky about the types of ammo it likes...

as for my personal take... Never seen one... never had one come into the shop for repairs.... so my personal take doesn't really matter... only that there is another choice in weapons SIG, if this respectable cartridge if your flavor of choice and you dont want an AK then look at a SIG

TACTICAL PRECISION, For 2011, SIG SAUER® is offering several variants to its tactical platforms. Leading the way is our new SIG556 Russian, chambered for the widely used 7.62 x 39mm caliber. Using AK-type magazines, the shooter now has a more potent round for small to medium game. The SIG556R features a distinctive folding and telescopic stock, and an M1913 rail for accessory attachment. The 16” barrel features four-groove rifling and a twist rate of 1:9.5”. At its full extension, the SIG556R measures 36” but can fold to 26”, making it ideal for situations where maximum maneuverability is required. For Special Forces requiring an accurate, more potent rifle, chambered in 7.62x39mm, the SIG556R sets a new standard for dependable
operation and function.

Link to Sig Arms

Caliber
7.62x39mm

Capacity
30 rounds
(SIG tells me that regular AK-compatible magazines work with the 556R.)



Finish
Black



Barrel
16"



Stock
Folding



Twist
1:9.5"



Overall Length
36.1"



Weight
7lbs (without mag)



Other Features
SIG Red-Dot



MSRP (Price)
$1,266 (Real world $998)



The 30 round 7.62x39mm magazines cost $28 each. The SigSauer.com website only shows a model with the red dot sight. A iron sight kit (Rotary Diopter Rear & Hooded Front Sight Set) costs $142.

reply to post by DaddyBare


You've got some great posts man.

What are your thoughts on the FN P90?
I'm digging it's compact size and also low collateral damage of the caliber.

Originally posted by grey580
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You've got some great posts man.

What are your thoughts on the FN P90?
I'm digging it's compact size and also low collateral damage of the caliber.

I've never been a fan of any bullpup design... almost all them require a long rod assembly in the trigger and almost all of them have a mushy, disconnected trigger feel... the P90 is one of those...

as for the 5.7mmX28mm... limited choices in bullet types, seems like there always on back order... Yeah it's fun to shoot but not very practical... still one really cool touch is FN Herstal makes a really cool under the jacket harness for it... only for right handed shooters... it keeps the P90 tucked under your arm and on the left is a pouch for two extra 50 rounds mags... takes CCW to an entirely new level

I slipped up, he has a SIG 556 in 5.56. Totally missed the fact that the R was in 7.62. Disregard my previous failed post.

Marstar (in Ontario Canada) has Chinese sks's right now for $200. These arn't norinco/poly but were part of the only Soviet supervised Jianshe armory batches from the 60's.

Do you have any opinions/concerns on purchasing one of those? They were recently imported/de crated/cleaned and pined (stupid Canadian mag restrictions).

reply to post by DaddyBare


It is interesting that they even wasted their time creating this platform. I thought that the 7.62x39 was more of a niche SKS AK style market. I know that there are other rifles that use the 7.62x39 caliber, but they are just not that popular from what I have seen. I think it is good that they are trying to appeal to a different customer base by not relying solely on the 7.62x51 and the 556/.223, but I don't think the demand is going to be there.
Unless this thing receives flawless reviews, when it comes to 7.62x39 I will stick with the AK platform.

Originally posted by deadmessiah
I slipped up, he has a SIG 556 in 5.56. Totally missed the fact that the R was in 7.62. Disregard my previous failed post.

ya know it's kind of funny how weapons like these always have a love hate following... me I think there "Just Okay" but once you have one bad experience with a weapon... rather than try to figure out why... they get rid of it... before you dad gives it away... take it out to the range with several different bullet weights and a mix of manufactures... My guess is it has a favorite and once you find that... Maybe federal 75 grainers... it will be a life long favorite...

of course thanks to folks giving up on fine guns... is exactly how I end up with so many fine toys... at prices well below wholesale

Not too bad. Although I haven't been impressed with the Sig 556 line thus far. I may have to try this one out.

If you are looking for a non-AK or SKS 7.62x39 rifle, I do recommend the Ruger Mini-30. It's a solid little gun which uses a receiver patterned on the Springfield M1A. I did get a chance to cycle some rounds through one of these and loved it.

Originally posted by Vardoger
Marstar (in Ontario Canada) has Chinese sks's right now for $200. These arn't norinco/poly but were part of the only Soviet supervised Jianshe armory batches from the 60's.

Do you have any opinions/concerns on purchasing one of those? They were recently imported/de crated/cleaned and pined (stupid Canadian mag restrictions).

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don't let anyone freak you out about imported arms...
anymore the rules and regs for these are so tight... it has to be a decent gun... but is it a great gun???... maybe not..

reply to post by DaddyBare


Who wouldn't want an AK?

I bought 3 Saiga AK-47's, and I mistreated them tossed them in and out of the truck, (Bought em cheap $199 a piece brand new), ran 1000's and 1000's of rounds through them. Learned to "bump-fire" to get 30 rounds off in about 7 or 8 seconds. Used multiple clips to fire and fire and heat them up. Used cheap "wolf" ammo, that kept the guns dirty, and I never had a misfire or jam.

I even bought some aftermarket clips, that didn't fit the gun, filed them down a bit until they fit, and used those clips without a misfire or jam one.

Why would anyone want to look past the AK design? It is Universal and flawless, even in the cheap brands!!

What do you think about Saiga brand, Daddybare? They make a pretty mean semi-auto 12 guage as well.

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you and I both now that once upon a time the 7.62x39 was superior to the 5.56., back in the 1970's and 80's but this is the 21st century..... ammo has come a long way...


that federal 75 grain 5.56 I talked about has equal energy out to 100 yards once you pass 200 then the 5.56 takes the lead... on paper... real world shooting in not all about ballistic charts...

if it were me... I'd stick to the 5,56... simply because there is a greater verity of ammo... but if my main concern is kinetic energy... forget the 5.56 or 7.62x39... I'm going for the .308

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I had a mini 30 and loved it...
I had one the first years they came out..
my only bitch was... past tense... back then you could only get the 10 round mags for them... not true today..

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My honest answer is... a Saiga is what it is... rugged reliable cheap... it is not a tack driver super sniper gun...
they are reliable because they make them with a looser tolerance... lose is a good thing if you want to go for a swim in a mud puddle and keep firing... precision milling and close tolerances might make for a sub MOA gun but one spec of dust in the wrong place and it miss-feds...

no your not gonna win any prizes for long range marksmanship... but the Saiga AK will keep shooting after many others gave up...

Edit to add... for the typical price for a AR/M4 style weapon is in the 1,000+ range...if your on a budget.. buy the Saiga and same your money for ammo

reply to post by DaddyBare


Thanks DB, that is about what I expected. It is very accurate out past 100 yards, and I never shoot further than that at the range. I don't use it for hunting, I prefer my old 30/30 Marlin for that, again, not fancy, but reliable. The AK is just a fun gun, and a means for defense in a real SHTF scenario, but I highly doubt it ever comes to that. Like you say, it is what it is, and it has given me many hours and many, many rounds of fun!

I bought a new S&W .380 Bodyguard with the built in laser for my wife at the Gun Show this weekend. Traded an old .25 and $200 bucks for it, and it felt like a steal! Haven't shot it yet, but the action is smooth, and my wife with her tiny hands has no problem operating the slide and chambering a round, and the laser means she can shoot from the hip. Seems like it is going to be a great self-defense weapon for her!!

reply to post by getreadyalready


Keeping my fingers crossed for you... but... I've already seen a lot of those lasers die after a couple of months...
I've sent off a few letters to S&W about a fix... right now their just replacing them free of charge...but no fix for the problem...

Speaking of laser's....
I need to get my hands on one to verify their claims but...

the viridian X5L boast a blinding 154 lumen... the newest models also do the flashing thing ... not quite making the claim it's as effective as a dazzler... but hinting that it is...

Now I have a laser-max mounted on my ruger but under bright sun... no red dots... that's not true with the X5L...
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that rifle looks aggressive and sweet.

you guys dont think those laser dots cause you to tunnel vision in combat? personally, i think lasers are more of a nuisance than of any help. sure, it might put you on target at the range but other than that its more likely to get you killed.

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For a pistol, I like to point and shoot. That is how I practice. At the range, the laser is useful in realizing how your trigger pull affects your shot, it also gives me a good idea of how long it takes me to zero in on a target. and it is very useful for an amateur like my wife. It gives her confidence in knowing she can hit where she aims. Not a bad deterrrent either. In a tight office/retail setting where I would most likely need my gun, the laser is a nice addition.

I don't know how the tactical guys feel about lasers, but they seem to utilize them a lot.

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hmm its a case of preference i guess.

Originally posted by DaddyBareya know it's kind of funny how weapons like these always have a love hate following... me I think there "Just Okay" but once you have one bad experience with a weapon... rather than try to figure out why... they get rid of it... before you dad gives it away... take it out to the range with several different bullet weights and a mix of manufactures... My guess is it has a favorite and once you find that... Maybe federal 75 grainers... it will be a life long favorite...

of course thanks to folks giving up on fine guns... is exactly how I end up with so many fine toys... at prices well below wholesale

Tempting, but I'll be getting a FAL soon. Dad always had to fiddle though. His Sig had a light, red dot sight, laser pointer, broom handle, etc. He was out well over $2200 when he brought it all home. In the end, his red dot would somehow drain the battery and he'd arrive at the shooting range with a sightless gun and shoot his Ruger .22 instead. Sort of like the Harley you have in your garage. Always shining it up, modding it, and taking pictures of it, but at the end of the day, you take out the '67 Mustang because the bike won't start