~The Evidence of Ancient Aliens

I don't see 'We don't know how humans did it so it must be aliens'. When talking about AAT I usually think of all the stories in the Bible and what they represent, of all the drawings, pictures, etc and does any of them have things in common with today's UFOs. Also the fact that so many people were talking about it for centuries and don't think stories with such start only from the 20th century, they do because that's when mass telecommunicationsand mass media starts and people get informed all over the world.

Also why is in the Rendlesham forest incident a symbols on what appears to have been a craft? The person who has witnessed it, shows something that doesn't look human at all... How can you just take all things pointing in that direction and say - yeah everyone is a lier, actor, showman, everyone is doing it for the money. get real this is not religion and there is a lot of things going on. And with that, it automatically means aliens having visited us quite possible. As for the Pyramids and others, sure, they could have been done by human, I never considered aliens built them.

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Does that mean that you see the Ancient Aliens as a substitute for gods?

Personally, I think they had to brief every thing in the documentary.

Yes, I agree it is speculation to say ancient aliens built or assisted in building the ancient megalithic structures, but isn't it not also speculation to say man built them, given that we haven't found any ancient high tech machinery.

If man built those ancient structures, lets look at the precision at which the structures where built. By precision we mean mathematically and astronomically and lets also consider the technology behind the these ancient structures.

General speaking, when we take in to account the mathematical and astronomical precision, what does this tell us about our ancient ancestors, technology wise to be able to achieve such engineering feats.

So going by our accepted mainstream explanation, our ancestor where high tech some thousands of years ago to have achieved such engineering feats, with such mathematical and astronomical precision, and also built structures that have survived harsh weather and earthquakes for thousands of years????????????????????

I have a lot of questions, i think the mainstream explanation does not sit well with me. Plainly speaking it's flawed on may levels. As with the AAH theory, it just seems viable.

Until and less I get a better more convincing answers to these ancient mysteries, I'm happy to not blindly accept
any of the theories put forward as of now.

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
Yes, I agree it is speculation to say ancient aliens built or assisted in building the ancient megalithic structures, but isn't it not also speculation to say man built them, given that we haven't found any ancient high tech machinery.

The main difference is that we know humans existed at the time in those places, while we don't have any evidence of the existence of aliens, either here or anywhere else, either at that time or at any other time. And why do you talk about high-tech machinery, do you think that's the only way of doing things?

General speaking, when we take in to account the mathematical and astronomical precision, what does this tell us about our ancient ancestors, technology wise to be able to achieve such engineering feats.

You are mixing technology with precision, those are not the same thing.

So going by our accepted mainstream explanation, our ancestor where high tech some thousands of years ago to have achieved such engineering feats, with such mathematical and astronomical precision, and also built structures that have survived harsh weather and earthquakes for thousands of years????????????????????

No, nobody (as far as I know) says that they were high-tech, the fact that we do not really know how they built the pyramids (for example) doesn't mean that they had some unknown high-tech. In fact, we have many texts from the time, talking about many things, but as we haven't found any text about the building methods, some people think that they were common building methods at the time, so nobody wrote about them at the time.

I have a lot of questions, i think the mainstream explanation those not sit well with me. Plainly speaking it's flawed on may levels. As with the AAH theory, it just seems viable.

Could you please give some examples of those cases in which the AA theory seems more viable? Thanks in advance.

Until and less I get a better more convincing answers to these ancient mysteries, I'm happy to not blindly accept any of the theories put forward as for now.

But you don't have any problem in accepting a theory that needs something that hasn't been proven as real to "explain" things?

Originally posted by ArMaP
The main difference is that we know humans existed at the time in those places, while we don't have any evidence of the existence of aliens, either here or anywhere else, either at that time or at any other time.

Yes, humans existed at the time, most of these megalithic structures where created. And nor did I state aliens existed as well.

And why do you talk about high-tech machinery, do you think that's the only way of doing things?

And what kind of primitive tools do you think was used to achieve such engineering feats, that we can only achieve in this time and age.

You are mixing technology with precision, those are not the same thing.

No I did not. You might wanna consider quoting the paragraph. As it is self explanatory
Here's what I actually wrote...

If man built those ancient structures, lets look at the precision at which the structures where built. By precision we mean mathematically and astronomically and lets also consider the technology behind the these ancient structures

Technology is the making, usage and knowledge of tools, techniques, crafts, systems or methods of organization in order to solve a problem or serve some purpose.

en.wikipedia.org...

And precision as in accuracy and precise.

No, nobody (as far as I know) says that they were high-tech, the fact that we do not really know how they built the pyramids (for example) doesn't mean that they had some unknown high-tech. In fact, we have many texts from the time, talking about many things, but as we haven't found any text about the building methods, some people think that they were common building methods at the time, so nobody wrote about them at the time.

We can only speculate, as I pointed out in my first paragraph.

Could you please give some examples of those cases in which the AA theory seems more viable? Thanks in advance.

The AA theory seems viable, cause it makes sense. Of course this this speculating, but again we cannot ignore the fact that the these megalithic structures were built with such mathematical and astronomical precision and accuracy.

But you don't have any problem in accepting a theory that needs something that hasn't been proven as real to "explain" things?

If there is a window of possibility of existence of extra terrestrials. What makes you think they don't exist??? As I have stated, I will give a benefit of the doubt where the theory seems viable or not, of which it makes sense.

There are over a thousand reported ufo abduction cases, of which you seem to be ignoring. Just because you haven't seen them does not mean they don't exist.

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
If there is a window of possibility of existence of extra terrestrials. What makes you think they don't exist??? As I have stated, I will give a benefit of the doubt where the theory seems viable or not, of which it makes sense.

What about demons? If you read some books like the Testament of Solomon (even the New Testament to some degree), it will tell you that Solomon had control over powerful entities from another realm of existence which allowed him to build great monuments such as the Temple in Jerusalem. They weren't "aliens" as we define them these days, but they were purported to be used to help build things?

Do they exist any less than extraterrestrials? How about giving them the benefit of the doubt, too? See the problem with giving one thing the benefit of the doubt without firm proof is that you are reasonably, logically obliged to give demons the benefit of the doubt as well. So where does it stop? Leprechauns?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
If there is a window of possibility of existence of extra terrestrials. What makes you think they don't exist??? As I have stated, I will give a benefit of the doubt where the theory seems viable or not, of which it makes sense.

What about demons? If you read some books like the Testament of Solomon (even the New Testament to some degree), it will tell you that Solomon had control over powerful entities from another realm of existence which allowed him to build great monuments such as the Temple in Jerusalem. They weren't "aliens" as we define them these days, but they were purported to be used to help build things?

Do they exist any less than extraterrestrials? How about giving them the benefit of the doubt, too? See the problem with giving one thing the benefit of the doubt without firm proof is that you are reasonably, logically obliged to give demons the benefit of the doubt as well. So where does it stop? Leprechauns?

It depends than on you, whether to accept possibilities, or simply accept the status quo. It's why we ascribe these things as being a mystery.

The problem is many tend to explain away things with the most plausible explanation, while disregarding the possibility of the counter argument, in this case ET or Demons if you like.

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
Yes, humans existed at the time, most of these megalithic structures where created. And nor did I state aliens existed as well.

And I didn't said that you said it either.
What I wanted to point to (and which you didn't comment) is that we know that humans existed at the time but we don't have any evidence of the existence of aliens at that time, so using an unknown to explain another unknown doesn't explain a thing.

And what kind of primitive tools do you think was used to achieve such engineering feats, that we can only achieve in this time and age.

Intelligence, patience and time can have excellent results.

No I did not. You might wanna consider quoting the paragraph. As it is self explanatory
Here's what I actually wrote...

If man built those ancient structures, lets look at the precision at which the structures where built. By precision we mean mathematically and astronomically and lets also consider the technology behind the these ancient structures

That was not the paragraph that I quoted, I was talking about this:

General speaking, when we take in to account the mathematical and astronomical precision, what does this tell us about our ancient ancestors, technology wise to be able to achieve such engineering feats.

I interpreted that as meaning that they needed some advanced technology to achieve mathematical (astronomical precision is mathematical precision) precision.

The AA theory seems viable, cause it makes sense. Of course this this speculating, but again we cannot ignore the fact that the these megalithic structures were built with such mathematical and astronomical precision and accuracy.

Once more, I don't see how it can make sense, at least any more sense than saying that it was the fairies that did all those things.

If there is a window of possibility of existence of extra terrestrials. What makes you think they don't exist??? As I have stated, I will give a benefit of the doubt where the theory seems viable or not, of which it makes sense.

But why consider it more likely that extraterrestrials exist and have been on Earth doing all those things than those things were made by the humans that we know that existed at the time and in those places, using methods that we do not know today?

And I never said (in all my life) that extraterrestrials don't exist, just read what I wrote in any one of my posts.

There are over a thousand reported ufo abduction cases, of which you seem to be ignoring. Just because you haven't seen them does not mean they don't exist.

I'm not ignoring it, they just do not prove that those UFO abduction cases, if real, were the result of actions from extraterrestrials, and that the possibility of the existence of extraterrestrials here on Earth, at this time, proves that they were here on those ancient times and that they did those things.

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Hey ArMap,

I get what your saying.

As I have stated, in the above post. It really much depends on how we perceive things.

It's funny you don't ignore "alien abduction" cases, but you cannot accept the possibility of ancient ET helping out with building of this worldly wonders.

Not that I disagree with you, it's acceptable given how we see things differently. The difference with you and I is that, I favor a benefit of the doubt approach to this mysteries.

well it's just a theory and an alternative look at history. it's interesting, but is any of it true? the important thing is to be open minded and have critical thinking, and to question everything, and i think that's probably the best aspect of the AA theory, even if there is no evidence. maybe its a mix of both, who knows? if those questions are important enough to you, then you will have the passion to go out and find out the truth, and i think that's all that matters.

I watch Ancient aliens all the time. It was an eye opener for me. So many ancient building sights I didn't know about...so many ancient civilizations that existed. We really don't anything about our history. Do I believe that Aliens from outer space built these things? Well. No. Maybe. I can't say for sure...What stumps me is how those giant stones are moved into place. Sometimes up the sides of mountains. How did ancient man cut those blocks of stone? I really want to know the answers these questions. I'm not buying the whole "they dragged the megaton blocks of stone on fallen logs and used thousands of people to lift them and oh, yeah they used bits of sharpened rock to finely cut the stone" rubbish. Honestly, why do people believe that? Aliens and lasers and tractor beams and all that...I can't say but something was going on...something we forgot about and hopefully are on the verge of remembering.

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
It's funny you don't ignore "alien abduction" cases, but you cannot accept the possibility of ancient ET helping out with building of this worldly wonders.

It's not that I don't accept that theory (as a rule, I accept all theories), it's just that I don't see a need for another theory besides "ancient humans did it with a method that we do not know about".

The difference with you and I is that, I favor a benefit of the doubt approach to this mysteries.

But is that "benefit of doubt" applied equally to all theories, or just to the ones that go against the mainstream theory?

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You don't understand Ancient Astronaut Theory at all do you? It's exactly to say - there are no Gods, the 'Gods' are just beings coming frm the sky i.e coming from space? So how can I be substituting to Gods? ...

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I understand it, I just wanted a confirmation.

So, does that mean that you don't believe in any type of god(s)?

Originally posted by ArMaP
It's not that I don't accept that theory (as a rule, I accept all theories), it's just that I don't see a need for another theory besides "ancient humans did it with a method that we do not know about".

So you accept the theory, but you don't see it as a need beside the mainstream theory???

I would have disregarded it myself, if wasn't for this thousand "abductions cases" and what have you.
The implications are staggering for me to simply disregard.

But is that "benefit of doubt" applied equally to all theories, or just to the ones that go against the mainstream theory?

Well, if you have read my replies, I clearly mentioned that am open to possibilities, I'm fairly neutral. But I can't stand it when possibilities are shaved under the carpet.

I understand we both like to deny ignorance, i don't see a problem with giving a benefit of the doubt to both sides.
But as I've mentioned, it's mainly speculations, and therefore we should be open to possibilities, even if it may not conform to our personal beliefs. We may learn a thing or two, in our search for an answer.

Peace

Originally posted by shagreen heart
well it's just a theory and an alternative look at history. it's interesting, but is any of it true?

The unfortunate thing about this stuff is that it's science all done backwards. In most science, you cook up a theory so you can test it against variables, you run your test, then get your answers and you see how good or bad your theory was. But in this case, you go in with the "answer," which is "aliens done it," and then you go looking around for stuff that agrees with your answer.

You look at a big rock and wonder how it got moved.
You look at the people and say, "Well, there's no way these people could have done it. They can't even keep their pots from breaking."
But rather than say, "Could be they had some way of moving these things that we don't know about, but finding that out might take a long time and a lot of effort."
Fortunately, you already have the answer: Aliens! No further scientific study required.

And aliens is an excellent answer, because it fits so many things so easily!

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Yes that's what it means. Except if 'God' is the leader of some other entities and can be seen 'in flesh' and is currently on another planet. For now I have nothing to believe in dimensions, so I think of the leader of some other beings is 'God' then he is real, not in another dimension and not currently around. If Jesus really resurrected, then he could have been healed and taken away by other beings also into space. These are examples of how AAT just counters the literal explanations in the Bible. This is what it is about mostly, a rational explanation of the Bible. But is the Bible correct? Let's say there are answers we prefer to stay neutral until further revealed.

Originally posted by marzabeth
How did ancient man cut those blocks of stone?

Some things are easier than we think, when we know how to do it.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by shagreen heart
well it's just a theory and an alternative look at history. it's interesting, but is any of it true?

The unfortunate thing about this stuff is that it's science all done backwards. In most science, you cook up a theory so you can test it against variables, you run your test, then get your answers and you see how good or bad your theory was. But in this case, you go in with the "answer," which is "aliens done it," and then you go looking around for stuff that agrees with your answer.

You look at a big rock and wonder how it got moved.
You look at the people and say, "Well, there's no way these people could have done it. They can't even keep their pots from breaking."
But rather than say, "Could be they had some way of moving these things that we don't know about, but finding that out might take a long time and a lot of effort."
Fortunately, you already have the answer: Aliens! No further scientific study required.

And aliens is an excellent answer, because it fits so many things so easily!

edit on 12-9-2011 by Blue Shift because: (no reason given)

well, i think there are two factions of the AAT.

1) aliens did everything and inspired all civilization's creationist stories

2) people who see the huge and important bits of information missing from the past about these mysterious things (ex: how they're done, what tools, what processes, plans, methods, and the culture of the civilization that these huge projects would create, because they are such astronomical undertakings for any level of society) and have to ask questions.

and most outsiders clump them together. anyone who humors the theory is instantly crazy or losing it, instead of considered for just logical questions. and the questions don't answer themselves, just because someone asks, where is all the evidence, doesn't answer itself and doesn't mean it automatically is aliens the question is just a springboard for fully understanding the past. i don't care if it's aliens or a secret civilization of architects that wander the earth or magick or angels or space babies or dolphins or flying serpents or the people themselves, i just want to know.

they have some very good cases on that show you can say what you want
but after watching season 3 episodes 6 and 7 and 8 i am quite convinced something ET is going on,.