The Lord of Darkness!

Sometimes when I consider the armaggedon, I think of it as light vs. dark. The inevitable outcome is darkness is vanquished forever(according to some sources =). So I try to imagine a world where there is no darkness and find something very strange...

It's pretty easy to imagine what it would be like without light--there would only be darkness. When I consider what would happen without darkness, it is a little different. Light can only shine where it can reach, and it takes time to get there. So if there were no darkness what would it be like in the places that light can't or hasn't reached yet? I guess the darkness would reinvent itself where necessary--which would would be a self-perpeptuating mystery.

Also, when I compare light and dark as colors I find that white can be split into the color spectrum(rgb) yet black can be nothing but black. So wouldn't the proper metaphor for god be the color black since it is 'pure' and can not be changed without the addition of its complete opposite? In this same line of thinking with white being able to be split into all of its colors, wouldn't it be the source of deception with its many different representations of itself confusing what is actually white?

Another way to look at it (in Christian terms) would be god is darkness and the devil is light. Darkness is complete order, since it is unchanging and everlasting. Light would be chaos since it would have to be darkness' polar opposite. So then we would be fighting against god(darkness) to continue in our chaos(light) in an unwinnable battle(armageddon). Which would explain why 90% of the world population supposedly just doesn't get that they are sinners...wow!
(I know this is completely out of context-accepting some accounts and rejecting others, but thought that it was an interesting notion anyway)

This is very strange to me and makes me wonder if god should not be described as the light-bringer, but as the abyssal void of darkness!

I also think of all the reasons I have been assured that god is not darkness:

Ignorance: lack of light(light=knowledge or faith)
Evilness: the dark side of anything
Struggle: light vs. dark
Emptyness: the void of nothingness
It also represents fear, death, poverty, mourning, anarchy, paganism, bad luck, etc.

This is what I have been taught about darkness, perhaps it's a conspiracy to misrepresent god?

The opposite could be:

Ignorance: confusion due to the dispersal of the light
Evilness: separation of light to emphasize different portions of it
Struggle: light struggling to cover up the darkness
Emptyness: being unable to absorb anything new due to the inherent 'fullness' of light and its spectrum
It could also represent purity, possibility, infinity, beuty, solidarity, etc.

I'm not making any declarations here, just trying to express another view. Any thoughts?

That would require the god you speak of to exist...


Even if your god does exist, he would be both, after all he is the creator right?

Originally posted by dudeawesome
It's pretty easy to imagine what it would be like without light--there would only be darkness. When I consider what would happen without darkness, it is a little different. Light can only shine where it can reach, and it takes time to get there. So if there were no darkness what would it be like in the places that light can't or hasn't reached yet? I guess the darkness would reinvent itself where necessary--which would would be a self-perpeptuating mystery.

To me, God permeates all of existence. God=light. To get away from God, you simply need to choose to not exist. How is the choice defined in the eyes of God? I would not put my personal pride in the face of God because I choose to rather, not exist. Wouldn't that be the fear of knowledge or something?

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I was thinking it would span more than just god, but include words like 'enlightenment.' It seems to me that any spiritual thing always wants me to 'follow the light' or reject darkness. Even if it is a metaphor, I think it negatively affects the idea of darkness in a spiritual way where it should be considered as a gift as well, not just 'something bad.'

reply to post by The Endtime Warrior


I'm not sure what you're trying ot say here...I'm not looking for a way to wave my pride in the face of god or to not exist, and I don't understand what you mean by 'fear of knowledge.'

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Sorry, not meant for you. Basically, my take on things, in my own words. I view light as god, which permeates all of existence, (which is to say, god plucked me from non-existence (the dark), to give me a choice, to live in the light or fade away in the dark)

The only reason why God is considered light is because as humans we naturally fear the dark, so we are obligated to choose the light. And with religion most of their conversions happen when fear is struck into a person, unfortunately the human condition. It is quite genius is I might say so myself lol.

This is great!!!
This is the kind of out of the box approach that I admire, and I wish my other fellow comrades would approach other subjects with the same way.

You are on to something.
Lucifer- something or a force that is said to deceive.

Lucifer- Lux - Light.

light is a symbol for knowledge/consciousness or the observed. All things are particles, and when particles are observed they change!?!?!
I have heard this approach before and I believe it is the correct one. In 'the book', Light was spoken into existence which may be a symbolic representation of the prime energy that manifested light by way of vibration. Darkness was not created in scripture..... coincidentally. Because it is the force that established everything.

darkness is the element that allows everything to exist....even light! quaky scientist are just now realizing the darkness that is between, and flowing through everything thing is actually matter.
Darkness = nothing(ness) = everything. Sit down and brainstorm about something, the new ideas you created came from nothing. You created something from nothing. This is how I like to view darkness.
nothingness= the prime/first thing.

Your approach is awesome

The only good on this planet lies within the odd human heart its spirit world is various groups of evil and maleavalent beings fighting for the scraps on the table the struggle to be 'good' is a human struggle there is no divine battle between good and evil on this planet,it is a hell and managed by and staffed by what one would expect to find in a hell.

I always taught God was neutral, in perfect balance since all is god...

But in the universe, since Lucifer is the darkness, we souls of good must never let the darkness win.
Do not trust the darkness, it will never keep it's word.
Do not accept gifts from the darkness, has it will ask your light in return.
Do not stand with darkness, has it will not stand with you in the end.

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as above so below. The acts of the universe are manifested on earth. Look at the zodiac and where they align with nations and you can actually see the symbolism manifested through the nation. Light vs Dark is the best way humans can describe this cosmic struggle. It has manifested in different forms here on earth.

is a human struggle

that is influenced by the cosmos.
your right there isn't a divine battle. The unlimited and infinite will always out weigh the observed and limited......by an infinite amount XD

you are trying to think of God in terms of physical light, where white light (say sunlight) when refracted thru a prism, splits into the different color spectrums (ROY G BIV).

However, if you go by the subtractive nature of colors (color wheel) white is the absence of all color and black is all of the colors added together. So the exact opposite of light.

However, when speaking of the religious aspects of light and dark, they are more metaphoric. So light does not equal a color or visible light, but represents goodness. Darkness then would be the opposite of that and would represent evil.

So if thought about in a metaphorical aspect, then light is in fact able to exist without darkness.

at least that's just my 2 monetary units.

I see light vs. dark as psychological. Light is good because you can see. Dark is bad because you cannot see. Light is knowledge. Dark is ignorance. The fear of darkness is a natural human emotion. People fear the unknown. In a lot of ways, that's what darkness represents - the unknown. Dakness, therefore, harbors fear.

Even when put into a religious or spiritual context, this still holds true.

if god is the creator of all things then he would be the zen and zang, the light and the dark, i think god is the balance of it all. everything that we can conclude about god is that he is ultimately truth and justice and what we know of evil is that is essentially an inequallity of existence. so from this could we conclude that gods isn't light (or white) but actually a neutral gray?

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Thanks! I like where you are going with this as well.

Lucifer- something or a force that is said to deceive
light is a symbol for knowledge/consciousness or the observed. All things are particles, and when particles are observed they change!?!?!

The only way a deception can be made is by adding or subtracting from a truth. For example a lie is the truth until the truth uncovers the lie. The truth can stand on its own, but a deception needs a truth to deceive with;

So if there were no darkness what would it be like in the places that light can't or hasn't reached yet. I guess the darkness would reinvent itself where necessary--which would would be a self-perpeptuating mystery.

Given the natural order of the world we live in, darkness can stand on its own but the light needs the darkness to shine into. Thus exposing its deceptive nature. For the light shines on the darkness and the darkness is always there(albiet covered up).

reply to post by iNkGeEk


You've got this backwards.

However, if you go by the subtractive nature of colors (color wheel) white is the absence of all color and black is all of the colors added together. So the exact opposite of light.

However, when speaking of the religious aspects of light and dark, they are more metaphoric.

You got this right though...like I said in my post, I have been taught all sorts of reasons to metaphorically dislike darkness. Why is this, because I was born afraid of the dark? or more accurately-afraid of the unknown.

And now as an adult I have all of this reinforcing material trying to keep me afraid of the dark, in a metaphorical fashion now. Love the light, reject the darkness. Why is this? Even if darkness represents ignorance it still needs to be embraced to be overcome.
Embrace Your Fear

reply to post by dudeawesome


Nope. I don't think I have it backwards.

Subtractive color

Additive Color

Refractive Color

Of course I guess I could be wrong. It is 4:25am where I'm at. And my brain is pretty fried right now.

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LOL that is strange...
en.wikipedia.org...

Where all three inks may overlap, almost all incident light is absorbed or subtracted, yielding near black. It is because of this poor "subtractive" black that a separate black ink is used

Is it true that subtractive color can't achieve true black without having a black ink to fill in the 'near black'? I never realized this was how printing colors was done.

Oh I think I understand...it starts with white and subtracts all the colors except for the one being shown. So I guess its still white is made up of all the colors, but when you subtract some of the colors you get a certain color etc. which is in line with what I was saying anyway...I thought maybe I had a fundamental misunderstanding of how colors are made for a moment...and still kinda wonder if I do! haha

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The reason I applaud you is the fact that you are actually thinking, rather than taking what has been spoon fed, in the attempt to understand. Your thoughts are sound and make good points, however just as flawed as the accepted understandings. Please let me explain.

Light is one of the highest, if not THE highest, vibration we as Humans understand and that is the key.

First, some History(If you have read my "main" threads you know I am big into History).

In the Egyptian Period of our existence here on Earth, a series of gods were described. The most important and High is known as Ra. Ra is the solar god or the sun, being the light. His counterpart, ie darkness, is the lunar god Sin. Each Cycle of the day had Ra traversing the sky illuminating the Earth and descending into the underworld, thus the rule of Sin, then breaking the hold of darkness to illuminate once again. Ra became personified into the Human form of the god named Amen and when the two were brought together ie Father(man) and Son(Sun) he became Amen-Ra. Later the spelling of the name became Amun-Ra and the Amun Priesthood was born. The Amun Priesthood amassed massive wealth and power eventually took over the Pharaohs position. Through this power, the Amun priesthood created the Jewish religion and ultimately both the Christian and Muslim religions, but this is digressing so I will cover this in a future thread, but you can see how the concept progressed into what it is today. When God created Light in the Bible it is a direct reference to the stories of Ra as a way for Humans to understand the origins/birth of the Sun or Ra, ie. physical existence.

The Metaphysics of the understandings of God being the light and Sin/Devil being darkness is much different. It steps into the understandings of higher vibrational frequencies. God, being the Highest vibrational frequency created physical light by lowering his own vibrational frequency to become physical/visible.

As there are 9 levels of "Heaven" or higher frequencies(physical life being the lowest), we(Humans) have a hard time stepping into the understandings of even the next level of existence, as we are bound by the understandings of this physical life and its scientific descriptions. The examples of these levels were given to us through light. As you stated that light breaks down into different colors, we see the examples of the first 7 levels through these colors and how they blend together giving us an insight to the next level. The next 2 levels are represented by non visible light.

Therefore, Light and dark do not actually describe accurately the concept of good/evil or God and the Devil. It was used by the ancients to give a basic understanding of, by placing Amun-Ra as the high god of good and his counterpart Sin as evil. Although, the beginning understanding of God is truly the cycle not the parts.

But hey, this is my own research and study, I suggest you take this and bring it into focus or discard it through your own research.

If you take a plant and place it in darkness, it will die.
People understand the concept so light is life and darkness, death.