God Isn't Important

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by blazenresearcher
reply to post by Ralphy

 

Hi Ralphy...first you should understand "What" God is...not Who. God is not some guy that has an accounting book of right and wrong. You are not to be judged. God is the all encompassing, the field in which you and I exist...in essence then You are God! See...God is good and God is Great...that is all true! Do some digging and research. Sometimes it is best to look at other religions too to get a perspective, but in the end you will find that no religion really answers the question...the questions and answers are within! Good luck on your search!

LOL, we are not God and that is called blasphemy. Gonna be real funny when you stand in front of Yahweh and try to explain to Him that youre Him. I don't think God is going to buy that new age BS, have fun with that anti-christ.

edit on 10-9-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

You putrid specimen of human existence. I hope, if there is a God, he will strike you down to hell at the Perly Gates for being such a nasty piece of work.

reply to post by NeverForget


We have here a case or reptilian hating humans believing it was made for slavery when it was not intended this way at all. Do not wonder why you are trapped on the lower 4th dimension Mr. X.


Thruthseek3r

reply to post by thruthseek3r


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The responses to this thread have from theist directions been the usual clichées, none of which has any greater credibility, but are assumptions, repetitions of doctrines, guesses or speculations.

First the semantic confusion. A possible regression via 'causality', leading to an (unknown) primary cause which MUST be 'god'. And eventually not only A 'god', but THE 'god'.

The circular 'god' of napkin'istic pseudo-logic...."it's written here".

The 'god' of self-proclaimed authority.

The "Jam tomorrow"- 'god'.

The premature "what did I tell you"-'god' of scare-tactic prophecies.

A "there could be something about it" maybe-'god'.

The 'god' for giving individual psychological safety and 'meaning'.

And finally the most acceptable for non-theists, a 'god' of love etc. While not more rational than the other 'gods', at least a 'god' you can have around (IF believers mean what they say, and don't just use this love as cosmetic PR as in "For-your-own-good" - love).

If my memory serves me, we're only missing a 'quantum-god'.

Whether your believe in Jesus or claim to be an atheist, it doesn't put food in your stomach. I think people involve themselves too much in this story we call life.

matthew4:4 but he answered and said, it is written,man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god.

This is everlasting food.

Originally posted by Theophorus

Whether your believe in Jesus or claim to be an atheist, it doesn't put food in your stomach. I think people involve themselves too much in this story we call life.

matthew4:4 but he answered and said, it is written,man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god.

This is everlasting food.

No, it's blind faith in a mythological manual, which makes it a personal, individual, subjective 'truth' to some, but hardly general 'everlasting food'.

I would like to say it is wonderful to see the prophecies of the Bible come true before my eyes on a daily basis.

Like those who claim that God does not exist, are always wonderful, almost arrogant in nature as they define the lack of a Creator through the definitions of """men of Science""". Who would never lie to the masses to control them as it is claimed of the Bible.

Or the dig sites that show the stories to be true in the Bible.

Or the fact that Israel is a nation after over 2000 years of being scattered abroad. Speaking their old language, using their old monetary value. Why even there land is blooming and supplies many nations with food products, just as it is stated in the Bible.

Then there is the complexity of the universe and the harmony, that by the evolutionist/atheist came into existence through chaos and random happenstance....right. To hard to believe that Jesus created it all.

Yet when you look at this message you know that the screen, hard drive, electricity and the place that it is view in did not come into being through chaos and random chance it took intelligence to make.

It also pains me that so many are willingly ignorant (that means dumb on purpose) of the existence of Jesus who is God. That they choose to live a life with out God, believing that they are the reason that food is on their table and that they live in a Home.

reply to post by ACTS 2:38


You wrote:

["I would like to say it is wonderful to see the prophecies of the Bible come true before my eyes on a daily basis."]

And some like TV-football, others collect stamps, .....we all have out preferences and interests. Fortunately not everybody try to turn it into monopoly-seeking ideology.

Quote: ["Like those who claim that God does not exist, are always wonderful, almost arrogant in nature as they define the lack of a Creator through the definitions of """men of Science"""."]

You probably refer to SOME of them, but overdo it a tad to make a point.

Quote: ["Who would never lie to the masses to control them as it is claimed of the Bible."]

Extremist interpretations of ideological manuals claim a lot of things, and if happen to be trite things, which would happen in any case, the extremists feel 'justified'.

Quote: ["Or the dig sites that show the stories to be true in the Bible."]

Which demonstrates, that the bible at least got some of the geography right.

Quote: ["Or the fact that Israel is a nation after over 2000 years of being scattered abroad. Speaking their old language, using their old monetary value. Why even there land is blooming and supplies many nations with food products, just as it is stated in the Bible."]

I really ought to take a closer look at the 'signs and wonders' box sometime. There must be some of the christian missionary special pseudo-logic in it somewhere.

Quote: ["Then there is the complexity of the universe and the harmony, that by the evolutionist/atheist came into existence through chaos and random happenstance....right."]

Not right. Science doesn't ascribe any special "through" (i.e. a kind of motive) to cosmology, and the complexity does fine on its own without a 'god'.

Quote: [" To hard to believe that Jesus created it all"]

It may come as a surprise to you, but science doesn't 'believe'. It aspires to 'know'.

Quote: ["Yet when you look at this message you know that the screen, hard drive, electricity and the place that it is view in did not come into being through chaos and random chance it took intelligence to make."]

So it's: "'God' what did it" in the electronics department also? With 'inspiragons' to selected scientists and technicians?

Quote: ["It also pains me that so many are willingly ignorant......"]

Me too.

Quote continued: ["....... (that means dumb on purpose)"]

Personally I'm not that cynical. I think some people just are that way naturally.

Quote: ["of the existence of Jesus who is God."]

My bid is rational reasoning.

Quote: [" That they choose to live a life with out God,....."]

The benefits of living in a liberal, secular, egalitarian society, where you can make your own choices.

Quote continued: [".....believing that they are the reason that food is on their table and that they live in a Home."]

And when there's no food and no home it's "Satan what did it" or the ineffable plan. Nice arrangement.

reply to post by bogomil

No, it's blind faith in a mythological manual, which makes it a personal, individual, subjective 'truth' to some, but hardly general 'everlasting food'.

What you probably dont care to know,(referring to Mat 4:4) is that physical food can only satisfy ones hunger. Temporarily. however, knowledge lasts forever. In this case, knowledge that is derived from the word of god. Thus being the bible. Oh , and BTW, What I just told you is a undeniable "truth". Not a personal, subjective, individual "truth".. use your little noggin that God gave you, and think about it.

reply to post by NeverForget


Oh, i'm a nasty piece of work? Try again false prophet, i'm not the one trying to lead people astray with lies, and my Father loves me, and he loves you too, but if you won't change from your ways he will not save you. I like how you resort to calling names like a child when you have been rebuked. Youre going to have to practice your lies a little more, you gotta be able to tell lies to someone's face and have them believe it before you can be a proper false prophet.

reply to post by Ralphy
Are you ready old enough to know what life is? If not... just go on with it.. and if you keep on thinking that was... it doesn't matter, but don't complain if God show Hisself on the last day and you will be bringing alive to here your own story and what He is gonna to do with you!


see this tract

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


I wasn't rebuked, I just thought I would tell you what a nasty piece of work you are (from what I have seen in the way you respond to people).

I believe what I honestly feel inside myself, If a benevolent God exists, he/she will judge me on my life as a whole, not because I made fawning professions of faith in order to be saved from an eternity of hell (a theory posed by a few humans on Earth, and not a very good theory at that).

Of course, a benevolent God would surely choose redemption/rehabilitation over eternal punishment. Otherwise, that God would surely be considered malevolent and inept.

Not to brag..... but I believe I'm a good person, I want for a better civilisation, to decrease suffering of all animals (including our species) If I think someone is preaching digusting lies or condemning people because they have a particular opinion, I will speak out and call them as I see them.

False prophet? You would have to know the truth in order to determine a false prophet. And as you are just as naive as any human on Earth, you have no right to call "false prophet".

Sure, you can parrot the beliefs of other men (Christianity or Islam) but that's all you're doing, it's not original at all.

Good day.

Your god (Yahweh/Jesus) is too small and too insignificant to have created everything.

Go here to see just how small Jesus (and his fellow humans) really are:

www.jordanmaxwell.com...

Originally posted by Theophorus
reply to post by bogomil

 

No, it's blind faith in a mythological manual, which makes it a personal, individual, subjective 'truth' to some, but hardly general 'everlasting food'.

What you probably dont care to know,(referring to Mat 4:4) is that physical food can only satisfy ones hunger. Temporarily. however, knowledge lasts forever. In this case, knowledge that is derived from the word of god. Thus being the bible. Oh , and BTW, What I just told you is a undeniable "truth". Not a personal, subjective, individual "truth".. use your little noggin that God gave you, and think about it.

edit on 12-9-2011 by Theophorus because: (no reason given)

Strangely enough I haven't seen you around those threads, where objectivity is a natural part of topic.

The bible is a mythological manual, and it's 'god' (if he exists at all) is until validated, nothing but the product of faith-based speculations.

Go get yourself some knowledge of basic logic and then come back armed with more than postulates.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by NeverForget

 

Oh, i'm a nasty piece of work? Try again false prophet, i'm not the one trying to lead people astray with lies, and my Father loves me, and he loves you too, but if you won't change from your ways he will not save you. I like how you resort to calling names like a child when you have been rebuked. Youre going to have to practice your lies a little more, you gotta be able to tell lies to someone's face and have them believe it before you can be a proper false prophet.

edit on 12-9-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

What is your reference-point to the word 'lies'?

It must imply a kind of 'truth' somewhere, and a little more sophisticated..... a methodology, a set of rules, for finding it.

My impression of your 'methodology' sofar is, that you repeat a few key-sentences from a mythological manual over and over, and that you apparently consider this steamroller tactics as a validation of your postulates.

Whether you like or accept it, that second you stepped out of the 'protection' the concept 'faith' gives you and started on trans-subjective claims, you bear a burden of proof for your mythological assumptions.

That is according to the rational procedures used outside self-proclaimed 'truths'.

reply to post by NeverForget

I believe what I honestly feel inside myself, If a benevolent God exists, he/she will judge me on my life as a whole, not because I made fawning professions of faith in order to be saved from an eternity of hell (a theory posed by a few humans on Earth, and not a very good theory at that).

I think you have it right.

False prophet? You would have to know the truth in order to determine a false prophet.

False prophets would be those who promote "fawning professions of faith" over true rehabilitation (to use your terms).

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Theophorus
reply to post by bogomil

 

No, it's blind faith in a mythological manual, which makes it a personal, individual, subjective 'truth' to some, but hardly general 'everlasting food'.

What you probably dont care to know,(referring to Mat 4:4) is that physical food can only satisfy ones hunger. Temporarily. however, knowledge lasts forever. In this case, knowledge that is derived from the word of god. Thus being the bible. Oh , and BTW, What I just told you is a undeniable "truth". Not a personal, subjective, individual "truth".. use your little noggin that God gave you, and think about it.

edit on 12-9-2011 by Theophorus because: (no reason given)

Strangely enough I haven't seen you around those threads, where objectivity is a natural part of topic.

The bible is a mythological manual, and it's 'god' (if he exists at all) is until validated, nothing but the product of faith-based speculations.

Go get yourself some knowledge of basic logic and then come back armed with more than postulates.

edit on 13-9-2011 by bogomil because: syntax,

Maybe because those "threads" where objectivity is a natual part of topic are in the mythological section of ATS.last time i checked this was the theology section of ATS.. Maybe you could benifit from gaining a clear understanding of exactly what theology is. There are several wonderful sites that offer elementry explanations. Are you familiar with google? Thats an awesome place to start extra DIV

reply to post by Theophorus


Do you operate with the assumption, that theology and logic are mutually exclusive?

It's FAITH and logic not always getting along, and when faith tries to transgress into the rational, logic becomes part of the situation.

When the faithful stay with their faith, there are no problems. When they start to claim it to be more (and hypocritically insist it's 'only' a faith), the problems start. It can hardly have escaped your attention, that faiths often have problems getting along with other faiths or ideologies, because they trangress their limits:

"My faith-'truth' is more true than your faith-'truth'." There is actually quite a lot of logic implied on this overall situation.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Thanks,

Nice to see an understanding between those with differing beliefs.

Peace