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I say eliminate wage laws

My boss will pay me twice as much because the concept of minimum wage was
making her angry at paying me more.

Problem solved!

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MCDONALDS TO PAY EMPLOYEES $30 AN HOUR THANKS TO ABOLITION OF MINIMUM WAGE!

can you smell the freedom?

YEE HAW!

Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by BobAthome

 

they were out done,and they did,invest in them...

it is a fact.. 25 percent is the number you want to look for if you wanna research it...

let me say it like this, the Japanese imports or imports in general were making more money then the American auto makers, its a fact man..

There was gentleman named Demming, that tried to convince American manufacturers that they needed to upgrade and produce a better quality product. However, we had just won WWII, and the corps considered they were on top of there game.

From wikipedia: William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American statistician, professor, author, lecturer and consultant. He is perhaps best known for his work in Japan. There, from 1950 onward, he taught top management how to improve design (and thus service), product quality, testing and sales (the last through global markets)[1] through various methods, including the application of statistical methods.

Deming made a significant contribution to Japan's later reputation for innovative high-quality products and its economic power. He is regarded as having had more impact upon Japanese manufacturing and business than any other individual not of Japanese heritage. Despite being considered something of a hero in Japan, he was only just beginning to win widespread recognition in the U.S. at the time of his death.[2] End Wiki

During the 70's when the American Auto manufacturers were starting to have difficulties, they made heavy investments in Japanese companies, don't have the stats in front of me, so working from memory. At one point, Ford owned half of Mazda, Chrysler owned 25% of Mitsubishi (the people that brought you Pearl Harbor), GM had working agreements with Toyota. Of the vehicles manufactured today, I think the Toyota Camry is probably the one with the highest US content.

reply to post by BubbaJoe


www.nytimes.com...

i blame obama the buck stops with him and could have done something he is the potus after all.

money for stimulus money for high speed rails money for everything else but american citizens well who arent union and when it comes right down to it union pay and benefits are far fare better than those who arent in them.

heres something for reading he did schedule for for 2012 at a whopping 1.4 % which doesnt even cover the difference in most purchases

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by filosophia

 

I agree with you, to the extent that Obama does not want to change the status quo too much. You are right government could legalize prostitution, drugs and hemp, which would create three new industries overnight.

I am not sure I want all drugs legalized, however prostitution and hemp I am all for. As far as Hemp, it will not happen, the oil companies, the paper companies, and the cotton industry will never let it happen. Once again, the corps are our masters, why do you think it is illegal.

The prostitution thing kills me, this is capitalism in it's purist form, she has something I want, and I am willing to pay her for it. Once again, thank your state and local governments for these laws, don't think there is a federal law against it.

reply to post by neo96


Imagine what could have happened if they had divided up those trillions in spending among the working taxpayers rather than what has been done with it.... One rule, spend it, or lose it.

Would have been fun for a while.... The economy would have been booming, companies and corporations begging for job applicants, every part of the private sector would have had growth.. Inflation would have been a risk, but maybe it could have been the bump needed to get things going.

Will never know now, will we?

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


no we wont if i remeber right or i heard right if they "Gave" every man woman and child of working age" it would have amounts to 300k per individual.

that would have been one hell of a stimulus.

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by BobAthome

 

they were out done,and they did,invest in them...

it is a fact.. 25 percent is the number you want to look for if you wanna research it...

let me say it like this, the Japanese imports or imports in general were making more money then the American auto makers, its a fact man..

There was gentleman named Demming, that tried to convince American manufacturers that they needed to upgrade and produce a better quality product. However, we had just won WWII, and the corps considered they were on top of there game.

From wikipedia: William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American statistician, professor, author, lecturer and consultant. He is perhaps best known for his work in Japan. There, from 1950 onward, he taught top management how to improve design (and thus service), product quality, testing and sales (the last through global markets)[1] through various methods, including the application of statistical methods.

Deming made a significant contribution to Japan's later reputation for innovative high-quality products and its economic power. He is regarded as having had more impact upon Japanese manufacturing and business than any other individual not of Japanese heritage. Despite being considered something of a hero in Japan, he was only just beginning to win widespread recognition in the U.S. at the time of his death.[2] End Wiki

During the 70's when the American Auto manufacturers were starting to have difficulties, they made heavy investments in Japanese companies, don't have the stats in front of me, so working from memory. At one point, Ford owned half of Mazda, Chrysler owned 25% of Mitsubishi (the people that brought you Pearl Harbor), GM had working agreements with Toyota. Of the vehicles manufactured today, I think the Toyota Camry is probably the one with the highest US content.

I am proud of you....

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by BubbaJoe

 

www.nytimes.com...

i blame obama the buck stops with him and could have done something he is the potus after all.

money for stimulus money for high speed rails money for everything else but american citizens well who arent union and when it comes right down to it union pay and benefits are far fare better than those who arent in them.

heres something for reading he did schedule for for 2012 at a whopping 1.4 % which doesnt even cover the difference in most purchases

NEO, here is the money part of the article, and thank you for the link. "The absence of a cost-of-living adjustment, calculated under a formula set by law." If he could, and I am not sure it is possible, have issued an executive order giving seniors a raise, the right wing media would have crucified him. It is a law, passed by congress, and signed by the president, in this case Nixon. This is one of the catch-22's of our system, the POTUS can't honestly do a whole lot, without the approval of congress. With the bunch of horses behinds we have in congress right now, I do believe the whole country is screwed, however, I have seen nothing from the republicans running in 2012 to give me any better feeling.

Originally posted by Bicent76

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by BobAthome

 

they were out done,and they did,invest in them...

it is a fact.. 25 percent is the number you want to look for if you wanna research it...

let me say it like this, the Japanese imports or imports in general were making more money then the American auto makers, its a fact man..

There was gentleman named Demming, that tried to convince American manufacturers that they needed to upgrade and produce a better quality product. However, we had just won WWII, and the corps considered they were on top of there game.

From wikipedia: William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American statistician, professor, author, lecturer and consultant. He is perhaps best known for his work in Japan. There, from 1950 onward, he taught top management how to improve design (and thus service), product quality, testing and sales (the last through global markets)[1] through various methods, including the application of statistical methods.

Deming made a significant contribution to Japan's later reputation for innovative high-quality products and its economic power. He is regarded as having had more impact upon Japanese manufacturing and business than any other individual not of Japanese heritage. Despite being considered something of a hero in Japan, he was only just beginning to win widespread recognition in the U.S. at the time of his death.[2] End Wiki

During the 70's when the American Auto manufacturers were starting to have difficulties, they made heavy investments in Japanese companies, don't have the stats in front of me, so working from memory. At one point, Ford owned half of Mazda, Chrysler owned 25% of Mitsubishi (the people that brought you Pearl Harbor), GM had working agreements with Toyota. Of the vehicles manufactured today, I think the Toyota Camry is probably the one with the highest US content.

I am proud of you....

I actually hate to give her credit, but when my ex-wife was working on her masters, Demming came up. Caused me to do some research, and he actually was a pretty amazing guy..

Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by marg6043

 

As far as medicare is concerned, why not just raise the age of qualification to 70 or so, that will help us considerably, no disrespect, but back in the day the life expectancy was 68 or so not 90....

If we don't fix that I may die of a darn broken hip when I get older, cuzz I do not have medicare...

I doubt it, but just saying...

edit on 8-9-2011 by Bicent76 because: (no reason given)

Medicaid/Medicare, here is a biggie. Because of circumstances, I have been the primary caregiver to three people on medicaid/meidcare.

Friend number 1, early 60's, drank too much, smoked too much, had issues, had him transferred to the hosp. He named me as medical liason. Colon cancer was the diagnosis, they wanted to do this and do that, with the consent of his family, I told them they needed to do a full body scan. I wasn't going to let them cut him up a little at a time. Come to find out, cancer filled his body, we placed him in hospice care, and he passed peacefully 3 days later, his dignity intact.

Friend number 2, early 60's, drank too much, smoked too much, passed out at work, diagnosed with throat cancer. Dr. says we can beat this, so did chemo, did radiation, did a trach, billed medicaid for all kinds of #. He had a 16 YO son, so thought it was all worthwhile. The cancer was not beat, so after 16 months of aggressive treatment, he lapsed into a coma, we removed the feeding tube when we could see his spine through the opening in the front of his neck, his body survived for 22 days with no food or water, on nothing but morphine, before we were all allowed to say good bye.

My grandfather, 95 YO's, and yes I loved him. At 93 he fell and broke a shoulder, pneumonia, in and out of the hosp, medicare billed for all kinds of useless tests. We lost him at 95, at home, among loved ones, but medicare would have allowed us to put him in a nursing home, and paid 5-6000 a month for his treatment, but no, I and my 70 YO mother took care of him till he passed. Yes we had help, but not the 5-6000 a month medicare would have paid.

Long story short, 80-90% of medicare costs are end of life care. No death panels here, but it is inevitable, when my time comes, I hope I can be like friend number 1, doesn't mean I didn't care for my friend, or love him, I don't want to know, don't want to lose the quality of life friend number 2 did, and definitely don't want to be the burden on my family that my Grandfather was, and yes I loved him too.

I knew it!!! Obama is implenting his marxist tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses!

WHAT A RADICAL COMMUNIST!!!!!

OMG!!!! Geezus...we might as well have Chairman Mao for President!!!!!!

The 447 Billion American Jobs Act.

Of course it's an act. Scene 3 Act 2 Obama Pretends To Care About The Economy
Cue lies
*action*

reply to post by beezzer

The 447 Billion American Jobs Act.

How much of that is tax cuts?

Do you know? Isn't that what you want?

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by beezzer

 

The 447 Billion American Jobs Act.

How much of that is tax cuts?

Do you know? Isn't that what you want?

When the president is wee'ing on my leg and he tells me it's raining, I'm not going to thank him when he tells me to buy an umbrella.
This is a short-term goodie bag (for unions) for votes.

ETA: He made us all wait 5 weeks to tell us his plan, then tells us to hurry up and pass it?
*bah*

tax cuts that take over a year to kick in but with the tag line of the rich paying more

which esstentially kills any tax cuts whatsoever.

was anyone watching the CNN live coverage? Right before everyone "important" started coming out to be seated I think it was Wolf Blitzer and a female reporter were talking and someone come over the microphone (sounded like it came from the studio, ie a producer) and said something about a flying saucer. I'm going to try and find the video as I didn't want to take a video of it with my camera.

You know, it was funny watching obama make his little speech last night. All this ra ra jobs, ra ra tax cuts, ra ra ra. But the thing is why wasn't he concerned with getting the country back on her feet two yeas ago? Now we have him doing the lip service of "he's going to do this, he's going to do that" Throwing the Republicans under the bus again saying that if they don't pass his bill nothing will be done, ect, ect. All this talk wouldn't have anything to do with the up coming elections now would it? Nawwww.
All I really got out of his speech is either do it my way or I'm taking my toys and leaving, I didn't see where he was willing to set down with the Republicans and work together. All I heard was pass my bill, pass my bill.

Originally posted by Chance321
You know, it was funny watching obama make his little speech last night. All this ra ra jobs, ra ra tax cuts, ra ra ra. But the thing is why wasn't he concerned with getting the country back on her feet two yeas ago?

It's kind of hard to be concerned about getting the country back on it's feet while you're helping bankers to loot the populace. Defeats the purpose, don't you think?

Now that the damage has been done, now it is time to induce the illusion of 'change' and 'hope' again.

Eat it up slaves. Eat it all up.

reply to post by illuminatislave



Judging by the 260+ point drop in the stock market, I'd say wallstreet wasn't impressed with obamas speech. About what I expected. It's like I said in another thread, the private sector where the real jobs are have zero faith in obama's leadership ability.

I would like to read this proposal in its entirity. As with all his stuff pass it then read it attitude. Let us read it first. Where is the transperancy you promised Mr President?