What do I have going on in my house? Aliens? Demons? Paranoid delusions?

Originally posted by Blinded
You cannot create what you cannot perceive. And the perception you perceive in your world is what you believe and understand. Things that you don't understand, things you will not see.

Ergo people see faces. It's something we are conditioned to recognise through fight & flight, friend and foe.

So basically, there is no wrong or right... there is only the neutral zone.

Spoken like a true Romulan!

If you get mad at something or someone it is because you don't believe or you don't understand the meaning and the perception of the other person making the comment or whatever.

Ummm.. you lost me on that one!

Namaste

Peace!

IRM

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by Elbereth

I doubt if you would consider it plausible if you were living in this house and had experienced all the classic haunting phenomenon and then some that we have.

Maybe so, maybe not.
You asked for opinions. Opinions are what you have received.

If you take into consideration, the minimal amount of actual details that we have been given, then you will easily be able to see that from my perspective, [color=C9FFD4]pareidolia is still the most plausible conclusion, at this time.

If I were seeing things from your perspective I would probably be making the same point.('')

Oh yes it does. You create your own reality... you see what you wanna see.. So you not believing in ghost or blocking the fact that you properly don't want to believe in ghost because it would scare ya. Most people has the same issue. They block there emotions, feeling, deep thoughts because they would become scared of what they could see. That is why the level of awareness in people today is really low.

And by the way, because people does that, it creates an unbalance in the overall body, emotions, physical body and mind....

When you read, open your mind to the world they don't mean try to accept other people thoughts, but they really mean is try to NOT block the feeling you would get if you think a certain way.

Namaste


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Originally posted by icepack
very nice pictures, thanks for posting. if you have more of those, please post them.
i am a believer of the existence of non-human entities.

Here is another one. This image appears to show the former owner, a violent, hedonistic, renegade biker, peeking into the living room from the top of the stairs:

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The green selection box shows the original location. I then copied it, scaled it up, and placed it to the right and above the original (in front of the chair).

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Me too. They are called animals and insects.

your reaction reminds me of how the catholic church reacted to the theories of Galileo Galilei.

Originally posted by Elbereth

If I were seeing things from your perspective I would probably be making the same point.('

')

You basically had 2 choices.

Attempt to provide some of the many missing details.
OR

Come back with a smartass response.


I see you chose door #2.

Door #1 would have proven to be much more productive.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by Elbereth

If I were seeing things from your perspective I would probably be making the same point.('

')

You basically had 2 choices.

Attempt to provide some of the many missing details.
OR

Come back with a smartass response.


I see you chose door #2.

Door #1 would have proven to be much more productive.

Wow, and people call me paranoid. What I meant to say and perhaps communicated badly, was that I totally understand this viewpoint and would probably share it if the tables were turned. Apologies if it came off otherwise.

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thanks. i see some kind of eyes, nose and mouth.
very good ghost pictures are rare. i believe some spirits dont want to leave the place they were used to.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/44a2254ff15c.jpg[/atsimg]

here is another good one:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/68e2dfc12408.jpg[/atsimg]

have you tried this thing with capturing the screen of a television set in a loop ?
i dont remember the exact name of this technique, but it could be worth it, if you really got some spiritual activity in your house.
i will post later what it is called and how its done.

More Details (I wrote this in December):

In November my wife and I moved to the mountains of Southern California. We are newly minted empty nesters (the kids visit often) and are renting a three bedroom, two bath, two story house built in the early seventies and situated on a double lot amongst the Jeffery and Ponderosa Pine at about 7500 feet in elevation.

It is a very nice setting and we like living in the mountains more than we expected, excepting a feature of our house that was not mentioned in the lease agreement: one is never alone in this house. We didn’t notice anything unusual initially. However, when we first took possession of the property, it struck me as odd that the former tenants had left a large (approx. 1 ft.) crucifix draped with a rosary and inscribed with a catholic prayer hanging above the main entry door.

As the days passed after our moving in my wife, who has always been especially sensitive, thought she saw a man or just the shadow of a man on the stairs several times. I had no experiences until one night we both heard a lot of inexplicable banging noises in the house. Soon after, while seemingly alone in the house, I heard my name called out plain as day from an empty room.

Weird little things kept happening and I took to sleeping with the light on, which is normally not my preference. Then about two weeks after moving in one of my adult sons came for a visit. We had said nothing to him or anyone else about our suspicions regarding our new mountain rental home, but on his first night at the new house he was awakened by something or someone leaning over him loudly rubbing the window above the bed he was sleeping in. He said it sounded like a fleshy palm squeaking as it was being forcefully dragged back and forth across the window.

The next day my son began taking pictures around the house to see if he could capture anything unusual. The pictures I have posted are just a small sampling of the truly bizarre images he managed to take with his Samsung smart phone and that I have taken with my Olympus Camedia digital camera. I fear my wife and I are living at Ghost Central.

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Update:

My wife and I tried to practice a live and let live (or maybe live and let die) philosophy regarding the unwanted visitors in our house for some time. We considered the manifestations just part of the continuum, and god's admirable attempt to stuff his universe to the brim with as much life on as many levels as possible. We had lived in two haunted houses previously and weren't inclined to be especially freaked out by it. That is until my wife was grabbed by the shoulders and violently shaken while alone in the master bedroom.

At that point, we felt we needed assistance and called in a team of well-known paranormal investigators. They were able to collect new evidence and confirm the reality and severity of the haunting. However, they attempted and were completely unsuccessful in clearing the house. Actually, things have gotten much worse since they were here.

Thankfully, we are moving October 1.


Another version of the face in the tv:

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found it, it is called itc. one form of it works with a tv screen and a camera.

Other types of ITC have been used including a video camera and television. This form of ITC involves placing a camera at a television. Usually the television is hooked to the video camera looping the signal. Another form of ITC is using television static and recording it for future playback.

you basically film a tv screen which is displayed again in a loop and record it.
i remember the crew of ghost adventures had a good find on one of their episodes.

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Thanks. I will look into it.

Originally posted by thegoods724
seriously you believe that picture has a defined image of a face, seems like a bit of a stretch to me

Can you see a face in this image? To me it seems obvious. I believe that here the former owner is peering out from the upstairs bathroom:

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Here I have outlined his features to make him easier to see:

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I think it's really difficult to relate paranormal experiences we've had. I had taken to writing about one of mine, and when I'd finally read it over, decided it was utterly ridiculous despite its accurate portrayal of my experience.

The reason I relate this is because we all lack a fluid understanding of the paranormal, so our debates and conclusions are based solely on our objective recollection of facts and our subjective analysis of them. In your wife's experiences of seeing a man (or shadow of one) by the staircase, it may illuminate the story if your wife (or you) realize that the faces you and a few others can see in the photos actually resemble the face of the man by the stairs seen by your wife. The mind often represses situational details in favor of elements which support our emotion. For instance, anything contributing to the fright of the experience may be remembered, while seemingly unrelated details are forgotten because they don't relate to the poignancy of the experience.

When something isn't easily explained, our minds can be somewhat unreliable when required to assign qualities to the experience. Eyewitness testimony is, at best, unreliable because when met with an unexpected situation, the human mind attempts to interject something - hell, anything - that makes a teeny bit of sense.

I guess what I'm trying to say is consider the possibility that others may not understand your experience, or what you see in these pictures, because we lack what you have: the actual experience. Personally, I only see a clear face in the photo of your staircase. But I grew up in a haunted house, and can clearly relate to knowing something is amiss, while others insist all is normal. At least I had the last laugh when I finally went away to college and all hell broke loose like I'd never experienced. Ghosts can apparently exhibit brilliant comedy.

Good luck with Eddie. Hopefully Lurch never shows up.

Is this post some kind of trick or thing designed to show the gullibility of ghost believers? If it is, guess what? I'm a diehard believer, and I'm calling b.s. on your photos.

In any case, the pictures in question are so blurry that they could be literally anything, especially when held with the idea that the human mind frequently makes use of facial matrixing.

Ok, here is the deal

I actually believe in "ghosts"...not because they make sense (they don't...they absolutely confound me). I am so confused by it that I don't even take for granted they are the souls of the departed...I put it as something I simply cannot explain. I say ghost only to describe events identifying them, not as a description of what they are.

I believe in these things only because of direct overwhelming experiences I had that I have yet failed to debunk...

And of course, being skeptical, I am curious to find out exactly what it is..even though I suspect the answer may never come...but, that doesn't stop me from seeking. And one thing I long ago dismissed was "evidence" based on photographs, simply because you can see all sorts of cool forms and stuff from trick lighting and such. Seriously, if you are going to truely try and figure out what your experiencing, toss the cams and get some other stuff. the em meter (and learn how they work so you don't get false readings) is more impressive than if you took a picture of a full blown manifested ghost...video is a different story, but a single frame flash photo = complete nothingness.

So ya...audio, moving video, and measures of responses...and not just a one off occurance...but repeatable and clear stuff...no, not a slight creak of a floorboard that you can sorta kinda hear "hello" or something, and even then, investigate deeper (pipes in old houses can sometimes sound like they are "Speaking" or making weird noises when they heat up, etc... Point is, either your going to investigate properly, or don't even bother...just sit under a air conditioner and suggest the cold air you feel is a ghost hugging you sort of thing.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Originally posted by chasingbrahman

I guess what I'm trying to say is consider the possibility that others may not understand your experience, or what you see in these pictures, because we lack what you have: the actual experience. Personally, I only see a clear face in the photo of your staircase. But I grew up in a haunted house, and can clearly relate to knowing something is amiss, while others insist all is normal. At least I had the last laugh when I finally went away to college and all hell broke loose like I'd never experienced. Ghosts can apparently exhibit brilliant comedy.

Good luck with Eddie. Hopefully Lurch never shows up.

I think this kind of phenomenon is something that really needs to be experienced to be accepted as real. Thinking beyond the prevailing paradigms or zeitgeist (I use that term tongue in cheek) is difficult. When my wife and I first escaped LA for the high desert twenty-some years ago, I was compelled to stay in LA for work, and drive out on the weekends. She was reporting strange goings on soon after we moved our household, and honestly, I wrote it off to hormones, or perhaps to the consequences of a city girl's first experience living in a remote natural environment.

When I was subsequently able to move out there full-time myself, I was surprised to find out, at that time being a confirmed materialist, that indeed there was something inexplicable going on at that location. It almost literally had to wallop me in the head before I believed it. My wife was pinched and slapped by unseen hands in that house, once leaving a nasty hand-shaped welt on her back. There were times when the poltergeist activity was so intense that it sounded like ten King Kongs with baseball bats were beating on our walls simultaneously. Who would believe such a thing if it hadn't happened to them personally? And yet that and much more did happen in that remote desert house.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Seriously, if you are going to truely try and figure out what your experiencing, toss the cams and get some other stuff. the em meter (and learn how they work so you don't get false readings) is more impressive than if you took a picture of a full blown manifested ghost...video is a different story, but a single frame flash photo = complete nothingness.

So ya...audio, moving video, and measures of responses...and not just a one off occurance...but repeatable and clear stuff...no, not a slight creak of a floorboard that you can sorta kinda hear "hello" or something, and even then, investigate deeper (pipes in old houses can sometimes sound like they are "Speaking" or making weird noises when they heat up, etc... Point is, either your going to investigate properly, or don't even bother...just sit under a air conditioner and suggest the cold air you feel is a ghost hugging you sort of thing.
Good luck in your endeavors.

On August 20 we had a full-blown investigation of the house by a respected LA-based group of paranormal researchers. I am supposed to receive a DVD of all the evidence they collected, including EVPs, EMF, and the video from the four infra-red cameras. I have been told the video evidence is "amazing." I will post anything worthy of ATS when I am in possession of it. As for my amateur ghost photography, I wish I had a high-end digital camera or even an old 35mm. Just not doable at this time. In defense of these pictures, some of them resulted from my pointing the camera towards where my Doberman was alerting, and not any awareness of something amiss on my part.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Is this post some kind of trick or thing designed to show the gullibility of ghost believers? If it is, guess what? I'm a diehard believer, and I'm calling b.s. on your photos.

In any case, the pictures in question are so blurry that they could be literally anything, especially when held with the idea that the human mind frequently makes use of facial matrixing.

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Part of the problem, I think, is the variety of equipment and lighting situations that people are viewing these images on. I am confident if you were sitting here next to me with me interpreting the photos on a one-to-one basis, you would indeed see what I am seeing.

If you are aware of ghosts pictures that are significantly clearer than the ones I have posted, I would appreciate a link so I can have the pleasure of checking them out as well.