finaly proof of moon landing's 'debunk this'

reply to post by starfighter1978


whoa this means nothing...this could have easily been Photoshop. not that hard to draw a couple tracks and a pile of trash?

reply to post by starfighter1978


Thank you to OP and NASA for providing these images..At least there is one less thing to worry with, for those who were in doubt in the first place.
star and flag for posting

reply to post by Exuberant1


Meh...

i never cared about the moon landing until i saw this and im sorry but i dont see any "proof" they could just take pictures of whatever that is and say oh this is a foot print.

reply to post by bhornbuckle75

If they would go to the trouble of faking the Moon Missions then why is it hard to believe they'd fake a picture?

It is with the number of different sources that help confirm the validity of the Moon missions. If you were to throw out all evidence on the grounds that it can be faked or otherwise false, then where do you stop? Maybe this is all just a dream or your life is just a movie that you're really getting into. You must put your foot down somewhere and accept that something is true or at least that you believe something to be true.

If people are going to toss out all information from all government space agencies on the grounds that they could be false then toss it all out. To use some of this data because it favors ones agenda and toss out other data that contradicts this agenda from the same source is cherry picking at its worst.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by zerozero00

 

How about this one then...

Top Image was taken as the crew of Apollo 17 left the moon.

Bottom Image is taken by the LRO.

Credit to JRA.

isn't that amazing how both pics were taken at different times, yet they are the same exact distance away?

Originally posted by Devino
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

 

If they would go to the trouble of faking the Moon Missions then why is it hard to believe they'd fake a picture?

It is with the number of different sources that help confirm the validity of the Moon missions. If you were to throw out all evidence on the grounds that it can be faked or otherwise false, then where do you stop? Maybe this is all just a dream or your life is just a movie that you're really getting into. You must put your foot down somewhere and accept that something is true or at least that you believe something to be true.

If people are going to toss out all information from all government space agencies on the grounds that they could be false then toss it all out. To use some of this data because it favors ones agenda and toss out other data that contradicts this agenda from the same source is cherry picking at its worst.

i don't understand why I have to just give up and believe something is true just for the sake of believing that something is true

I love how when someone posts a pyramid or sculpture on the moon, it's always a shadow, but when NASA needs to show where their space craft landed, shadows turn into all sorts of debris and remains.

reply to post by patternfinder

This is more a philosophical question than scientific. For every "truth" I could present to you, you could claim that it is false by way of intentional hoax or misinterpretation. Pictures can be altered, people can lie. Our own perceptions can be false, take optical illusions and paradoxes for example.

Even if you were taken to the Moon and physically shown the Apollo artifacts you could claim that this stuff was recently planted. Where does it end? At some point we all must accept some things as being truth or nothing to be truth. Personally I find the former to be much more pleasant.

For more information on this problem see the philosophical work done by Rene Descartes.

reply to post by Devino


You make some good points, however I don't think they apply to this particular situation. This situation involves a single group (NASA) releasing new pictures. I'm not making a claim for the validity on invalidity of any of the evidence, rather I am simply addressing the single argument that these new pictures are finally 'proof' that should convince any of the naysayers that we actually went to the moon.

Let me put it a different way.....imagine that someone is buying your car and they give you a check. It bounces....a week later you confront him and he gives you another check....it bounces too.....This happens two more times....then you don't hear from the guy in a few months, but you finally run into him.....This time he claims that there is definitely money in the bank....then he gives you another check and claims that it will certainly work this time. Now would you accept this new check as genuine proof that he indeed has money in the bank and that the check will work?

Though not a perfect analogy, let me try to tie it all together.....To the conspiracy believer they feel as if they have already received countless 'bounced checks' from NASA....so my argument is why would they accept new evidence from the very organization that they believe has lied to them time and time again? Especially in an age when the digital manipulation of pictures is far more advanced than it was back when the Moon Missions allegedly took place. We are dealing with a single entity (NASA) which (to conspiracy believers) already lied, time and time again....also we are dealing with a single issue....whether or not we went to the Moon. I think that it's perfectly logical to assume this new 'evidence' is fake if you believe that the other evidence of the moon landing from NASA has been faked.....It is consistent with itself logically. If NASA always lies about it's proof that we went to the moon, then it follows that new 'proof' that we went to the Moon should also be a lie. It's impossible to cherry pick when dealing with a specific issue like this.....The issue being 'NASA Lies About Going To The Moon'. To cherry pick would mean that you believe that NASA only lies about going to the Moon sometimes, and would be logically inconsistent because it would suggest that they both went to the Moon and did not go to the Moon at the same time.

Personally I have a different specific belief than either those that believe that we went and those that do not....I think we went, but I also think we faked some footage for PR reasons, and also to keep some parts of the Mission secret (I go into this in another post...can't remember if it was to this thread or not). Therefore whether or not these pictures are faked, has no real bearing on my beliefs......My only argument was that this it was logically inconsistent to imagine that new evidence should be more convincing than old evidence.

Unfortunately for us as a planetary race...even when the skies fill with saucers, and the Messiah returns in a glowing cloud with 1,000's of visable angels....people with still say its not real and was a CGI or photo-shopped event.

For such an incredibly intellegent planet...thats a shame. Technolgy and its possibilities to fake things...have done this. Along with SFX in movies, video games etc. We've become un-believers because of it.

reply to post by LazloFarnsworth

Images taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter from 13 to 15 miles up show the astronauts' paths when they walked on the moon, as well as ruts left by a moon buggy.

the pictures say 100 meters which is 328.0839895 feet........13 mile = 20,921.472 meters or 68,640 feet........why isn't the latter number being reflected on the pics? I've never seen footprints from 328 feet above ground, i'll bet none of you have either.....

reply to post by patternfinder


You see? There never will be closure or dis-losure about anything in the future. Years ago, movie-magic made things that werent real-look and appear real: special effects.

Now that we have moved forward...we'll be seeing things that are real...and doubting that they are. Its turned around completely.

Where once we'd watch a movie and go "Wow! Look at that!"....now we watch news reports and evidence of events and go "No way! It MUST be fake!'

I think its going to stay that way.

reply to post by bhornbuckle75

I hear you. Although I don't think NASA "has been writing bad checks" but I understand your analogy. Keep in mind that JPL, ESA, China, Russia and JAXA have been involved so it is not just NASA that supports the Moon missions.

reply to post by patternfinder

The image was taken from 13 to 15 miles above the Moons surface. The scale bar represents 100 meters on the surface.

I've never seen footprints from 328 feet above ground, i'll bet none of you have either

Ever use Google Earth?

and this one is finally debunked... come on guys we've got more serious issues to address in this wonderful website... what's the point on insisting on the moonlandings when we have UFOs buzzing around our skys....

Nasa pictures prove the apollo missions went there ( and this only incidentally ) beyond doubt....

Next ...?

THAT'S the best they, NASA, the US guvment can do for proof? That could be anything! Google can do better than that if they actually wanted to!
Ridiculous, this doesn't settle anything.

I do not see any proof. All I see is some white pixels.

It is also quite funny that the new pictures match the old ones pixel for pixel. As if there was no difference in altitude and orientation between the old and new camera.

reply to post by Devino


Fair enough, though I doubt such organizations share their info completely with one another....and I could also note that since few Moon Hoax believers also don't believe that unmanned craft have been to the moon, all it would take is a clandestine mission to leave behind a bit of 'evidence' to be photographed.....but really, I find no reason to extend this discussion into areas I don't even necessarily believe myself!

As I've said...I believe we went, but that we hoaxed some of the footage and 'evidence' for various reasons....so these photos don't do much to threaten my views, and to argue that these pictures are not real isn't really my battle!