I no longer support Ron Paul

I think Ron Paul has integrity, and is a honest man in a crooked game of politics. I like some of Paul's ideas and his interpretation of the constitution. I agree with his voting record for the most part. He is in my opinion the best choice out there when your picking the less evil of choices.

I'm tired of settling for the least of these evils in elections.

The main reason I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican, and I don't feel that Republicans have the nations or its citizenry best interest at heart. I don't trust the neo conservative/teaparty led Republican party. They have had too much power in the recent past and all they do is blame Democrats for the shape were in yet they do preach alot about being responsible for ones self. The Republicans controlled the congress from 94 to 06 and aren't things better? or worst?

Besides being Republican there are no others running for the gop that I like.

I didn't vote for Obama, and I'm waiting to see what happens on the Democrat side of this upcoming election.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I think Ron Paul has integrity, and is a honest man in a crooked game of politics. I like some of Paul's ideas and his interpretation of the constitution. I agree with his voting record for the most part. He is in my opinion the best choice out there when your picking the less evil of choices.

I'm tired of settling for the least of these evils in elections.

The main reason I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican, and I don't feel that Republicans have the nations or its citizenry best interest at heart. I don't trust the neo conservative/teaparty led Republican party. They have had too much power in the recent past and all they do is blame Democrats for the shape were in yet they do preach alot about being responsible for ones self. The Republicans controlled the congress from 94 to 06 and aren't things better? or worst?

Besides being Republican there are no others running for the gop that I like.

I didn't vote for Obama, and I'm waiting to see what happens on the Democrat side of this upcoming election.

hahahah really? Just because he's Republican doesn't mean that you can't ignored what he say. The last true Republican was Gerald Ford.

Ron Paul has always been behind the political 8ball... It is not whether the candidate is Democrat or Republican, the sad fact is neither party has any concernce for the citizenry of this country...pocket books, over head, line items, and market gain.... all they care about we make their money so we should work harder and do with less. both sides agree on that.

Excellent point.

I'm on board the same ship as you, sort of.

Normally looking at Ron Paul's stance on Social Issues would have me running towards the exits. However, I cannot help but feel that we need a radical change in this country. There are far too many non-Social Issues which must be addressed and quickly otherwise I feel as though things will only get worse.

While I'm still not committed to Ron Paul, I do admit that if the election were held right this very moment that I would vote for him.

So here I continue to sit on the fence gathering as much info as I can before making my informed decision. Your post and the points made will certainly be included in that decision.

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I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican

OMG, really? He is? Well then I don't care how much sense he makes, now that you put forth such a rational argument I will vote for someone who will conduct business as usual, it's got us this far right? And we are all doing so well now huh? Anyone got $5.00 I can borrow for a loaf of bread?

Dear God in heaven give me strength. I think someone needs a nap...

Originally posted by LDragonFire
The Republicans controlled the congress from 94 to 06 and aren't things better? or worst?

You do realize that the economy started going downhill in 2006 the same time Democrats took over Congress? You also realize things have gotten much worse since Obama took office?

You do realize this right?

Democrats make it hard for employers to create jobs then wonder why we have such high unemployment.
Democrats make it hard to oil companies to drill and produce oil, then wonder why gas prices are so high. Last labor day gasoline was $1.00 a gallon cheaper than it is today, and since Obama took office gasoline prices have doubled.

Ron Paul is a joke of a candidate....your non support of him is no big deal, because he has no chance. But there are several Republican candidates that would do the job 10 times better than Obama.

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Jesus, so you agree Ron Paul is everything we would want in a politician who has a fantastic voting record but you refuse to support him cause he is running as a Republican? Sorry, but that's ignorant. Ron Paul is the poster boy of what a candidate should be and what Americans should want! We all would love Ron to run as an Independent but to play the Pres game you gotta play by the rules. So he may be running as a Republican but he is still an Independent at heart. Vote Ron Paul 2012 or risk the other shills getting into office.

Ron Paul 2012 or bust!

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In a sea of corrupt, crooked, evil, lying politicians Ron Paul is still the only one that has made clear what his true intentions are. Even if he announced tomorrow that he would run as a Democrat he would still get my vote. You cannot hold his political standing against him in this situation. If he does not get on the ballot in one of the two major parties then I fear his shot at POTUS will be severely hurt. When sheeple show up to vote they are going to check Democrat or Republican plain and simple.

People who don't see Ron Paul as an independent who infiltrated the republican party so as to use it to get the attention, have no idea about anything when it comes to him. WHY DO YOU THINK ALL OF THEM ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH HIM UNTIL THE POLLS SHOW HE IS WINNING, THEN THEY WANT TO MIMIC HIM? Open your eyes people. his is the only canidate who could give 2 shats about the left/right paradigm and if you as voters still look at the paradigm, STOP! none of that makes a bit of difference and it's all the bastardous creation of the MSM/Big Money lobbyists WHORE.

RON PAUL 2012 or kill yourself cuz there won't be anything left to live for.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I think Ron Paul has integrity, and is a honest man in a crooked game of politics. I like some of Paul's ideas and his interpretation of the constitution. I agree with his voting record for the most part. He is in my opinion the best choice out there when your picking the less evil of choices.

The main reason I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican,

If you aren't going to vote for what the person stands for, then don't vote at all. All the parties are exactly the same. There is no difference. None.

Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by LDragonFire
The Republicans controlled the congress from 94 to 06 and aren't things better? or worst?

You do realize that the economy started going downhill in 2006 the same time Democrats took over Congress? You also realize things have gotten much worse since Obama took office?

You do realize this right?

Uh. Can you really fit that much revisionist history in that short of a space?

The economy started going downhill around the end of Vietnam. It has been all smoke and mirrors since then, all artificial bubbles that were created then popped. It was getting real bad in 01 after 9/11. Quit lying to make your point seem more valid.

The republicans came back and won the last midterms, but the economy keeps getting worse. But to explain that, you would probably say "Well it will take them some time to fix the damage!", whereas you insult the democrats and only give them the time they were in office.

It was a Republican Senate which helped pass NAFTA, which screwed us and sent our jobs away. It was Republicans who came up with the bailouts (which president said "bailout" first?), it is republicans who want even less taxes for corporations even as our government REFUNDED billions to corporations.

Anyone who is still voting for republicans either has an extremely low IQ or is just plain evil at this point.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian/Constitutionalist in Republican clothing.

He has my vote as long as he stays in the race... no matter what label he chooses.

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Then why are you still supporting them?

Originally posted by LDragonFire

The main reason I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican, and I don't feel that Republicans have the nations or its citizenry best interest at heart.

From Protocol 12, Control of the Press, under the heading "Free Press destroyed", we whistleblowers should always be concerned with this grouping of ideologies - the same infiltration that invaded the tea party. With the protocols being hoaxy, or not, the ideology is not bound to the source, and clearly works into actual working methodology. The danger of a good or bad idea is that it is never committed only to the source, and can be applied as needed, leaving us to guess the veracity of the source, degree of the vector, and wondering as to the scope of a social disease it may be symtomic of.

9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.

10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

www.biblebelievers.org.au... No. 12

On the other hand, if |Ron Paul is simply a planted agent of the Republican party, I don't think he could convict us on the truth of so many of his previous stances, as he has done successfully.

Without an actual eye on the rabbit-hole on him, I can't say too much more than general qualifiers. Point is, he acts as a conqueror, ready to take on the systems - speaking against war policy, the federal reserve, etc. If he is successful, he reforms the Republican party in the process, and for the better. Otherwise, they overtake him, ...but ... I don't see him as a man to put down his principles lightly, and hopefully, God willing, not at all. Service for the sake of the people, in the capacity the office opens, not for service to self, or for the benefit of corruption or ongoing, lobbied or commanded agenda.

< This is a copy of the Protocols, on-line, and the site context is actually irrelevant in this instance.

He's a republican/conservative only in the true sense of the word. Not a neo-con or part of the modern republican party movement. Don't focus on the meaningless labels, get to the heart of the issue..

It never ceases to amaze me how people get so hung up on the 2-party scam

I don't support Ron Paul because he wears a red tie.

This is basically what the argument boils down to. Ron Paul has zero in common with the average republican, so if he wins the presidency, the 'Republicans' won't be in charge (but they will be if you vote for Bachman-Perry-Palin). In 1988 Ron Paul did not do so well as an independent because the establishment is stuck in its two party system. And Ron Paul is more of a true conservative than the republicans who masquerade as constitutionalists.

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I think Ron Paul has integrity, and is a honest man in a crooked game of politics.

Good LORD, your first sentence makes the rest of your post sound ludicrous.

You think he has integrity and is an honest man? When was the last time we had a politician like that, LDragonFire? That alone is a good reason to vote for him, regardless of his party affiliation.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I think Ron Paul has integrity, and is a honest man in a crooked game of politics. I like some of Paul's ideas and his interpretation of the constitution. I agree with his voting record for the most part. He is in my opinion the best choice out there when your picking the less evil of choices.

I'm tired of settling for the least of these evils in elections.

The main reason I no longer support Ron Paul is he is still a Republican, and I don't feel that Republicans have the nations or its citizenry best interest at heart. I don't trust the neo conservative/teaparty led Republican party. They have had too much power in the recent past and all they do is blame Democrats for the shape were in yet they do preach alot about being responsible for ones self. The Republicans controlled the congress from 94 to 06 and aren't things better? or worst?

Besides being Republican there are no others running for the gop that I like.

I didn't vote for Obama, and I'm waiting to see what happens on the Democrat side of this upcoming election.

I'm sorry to read this. You said yourself you like his ideas. It shouldn't matter what party he is from if he is the best choice. We need to bridge our division. When people start to realize that then we will truly be a united country.

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Jimmy Carter, and how did that turn out?