APOLLO 18 (2011) & Zero vs Secret Nasa LUNAR Human Exploration: Fact vs Fiction

the following YT presents argument that our publicized moon mission(s) may have been an elaborate hoax:



^ what stands out to me is that there were supposedly 6 successful NASA manned landings in less than 3 years (1969–1972) yet since then there have been none. which corresponds with the 3 years USA was involved in genocidal atrocities upon Cambodia & Laos via the 'Vietnam War'. for ATS standards, that screams *False Flag*

the Apollo 18 (2011) trailer for those who have not yet seen the movie:



^ i would rather see Apollo 18 than blair witch project, at least! it is a fictional found-footage documentary about a very real conspiracy theory related to why US cancels all plans to revisit Luna since 40 yrs ago and counting..

here is claimed newly released footage of the elusive Apollo 18 (although officially Apollo 18 was 'cancelled' -why?-)



and here is the alleged top secret document:

www.movieviral.com...

this is a new topic to me so can anyone discuss what are the true or likely scenarios related to any secret lunar mission(s) & why we no longer visit the moon aside from being more and more broke for the past 40yrs

Try the search engine. This topic has been talked to death. No credible evidence exists.

We were told what we needed to be told (from their POV), I'm sure that we didn't scrap the whole shebang; just had non-rocket vehicles we could use, built with BlackOps cash.

Just my opinion,

S&F for an important topic!

reply to post by Blaine91555


"no credible evidence exists."

...for YOU to further investigate. But thanx for your OPINION

Can anyone contribute to the discussion?

(for the record, YouTube is not a very good source of info., although I'll admit not knowing where a good source IS...)

Originally posted by RoswellCityLimits

(for the record, YouTube is not a very good source of info., although I'll admit not knowing where a good source IS...)

edit on 9/5/11 by RoswellCityLimits because: to add

NASA?

seriously though, i think ATSers are the cream of the crop source among otherwise dumbed down masses hence the thread. sorry if there are other thread on the moon hoax topic.

i'm looking for insight into *secret* missions, as im convinced due to the timeliness of 6 publicized missions during the beginning and end of vietnam war that they are to some degree, false flag decoy pretend missions that were to some degree dressed up to look like more success than they actually were.

reply to post by ignant


Why do you post a video from youtube with the title Apollo 18 footage when clearly the subs in the video show they are STS videos.

Its a movie..... get over it.

P.S. if this is an attempt at viral marketing..........fail

Here's the thing there is more going on than what they tell us. This is certain.

Numerous UFO sightings by NASA crews. This means they witnessed objects they cannot explain. these were objects that couldn't be explained by NASA or things they had no knowledge of it being there.

This in itself creates many questions to which we do not have answers.

As for the moon. Well who knows. We know there are precious resources there and yet we are too afraid to go back. That or we are currently there.

My best guess would be that if there was at some point a more advanced society on earth and they managed to achieve a similar tech level they would have left behind clues in the moon. If this is the case it would have been covered up due to the cold war as the country who obtained it first would have an advantage. Revealing this information even today would open up old wounds and I don't think the us wants that. That or the space program in the us and Russia continued in secret.

I personally believebthat ww2 was a catalyst for an even bigger conspiracy. From alleged secret Nazi tech to operation high jump. The following cold war and the space race.

The space race in itself is questionable. If it was just a grand scheme to spy on each other with satellites and have space based nuclear capabilities then why all the fuss about the moon? What strategic value did the moon hold for two countries that were locked in an arms race with each other? This is the question that is worth finding answers for.

Originally posted by GhettoRice
reply to post by ignant

 

Why do you post a video from youtube with the title Apollo 18 footage when clearly the subs in the video show they are STS videos.

Its a movie..... get over it.

P.S. if this is an attempt at viral marketing..........fail

why are you interjecting false statements?

Originally posted by ignant


why are you interjecting false statements?

Really? So your saying that this


Has anything to do with apollo 18 when it CLEARLY is STS or other KNOWN apollo footage.

I am interjecting sense into a blunder of a thread.

refer back to what YOU said.

what i said, i already said:

here is claimed newly released footage of the elusive Apollo 18 (although officially Apollo 18 was 'cancelled' -why?-)

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Here's the thing there is more going on than what they tell us. This is certain.

Numerous UFO sightings by NASA crews. This means they witnessed objects they cannot explain. these were objects that couldn't be explained by NASA or things they had no knowledge of it being there.

Actually, this is mostly made-up internet stuff to excite the eager-believers. Phony quotes, misidentified prosaic videos, and more phony quotes [even in Russian] -- and it's so common because guys like you make it so easy to fool the open-minded hole-in-the-headers.

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yes because im just trying to fool everyone with my smoke and mirrors. Right.

I like to belive these guys.

edgar mitchell

buzz aldrine

gordon cooper

national press club

happy hunting

Originally posted by weirdguy
I like to belive these guys.

edgar mitchell

buzz aldrine

gordon cooper

national press club

happy hunting

I'm sure you enjoy believing the stories attributed to them, but
the claim was:

Numerous UFO sightings by NASA crews.

and where's the evidence?

Mitchell reports NO UFO experiences on any spaceflight he's aware of,

Cooper denounces the Mercury UFO story associated with
his name as bogus.

Aldrin [note correct spelling] makes it clear he and his crew were watching pieces off their space vehicle,
pieces that showed up on the outbound leg on other missions too but never on the return leg, pieces that were seen and photographed by earth telescopes following purely ballistic [passive] flight paths...

Normally three strikes would make you 'out', but by all means, swing away.

No need to get you knickers in a knot jeez

I'm sorry I put an e on the end of Aldrin, all better now

If Apollo astronaughts are claiming that we've made contact or that we are being visited
in some way then I think it adds more weight to this discussion than what you have been.
The disclosure video backs up the theory that we are indeed in contact, or is the disclosure
bs as well?

Originally posted by weirdguy
No need to get you knickers in a knot jeez

I'm sorry I put an e on the end of Aldrin, all better now

If Apollo astronaughts are claiming that we've made contact or that we are being visited
in some way then I think it adds more weight to this discussion than what you have been.
The disclosure video backs up the theory that we are indeed in contact, or is the disclosure
bs as well?

OK, point accepted. I note you have retreated from the assertion that 'NASA crews have encountered aliens', or whatever.

Progress.

Now on to figuring this genuine puzzle out. Thanks for the constructive modification of original claims!

Here a couple of videos of astronauts Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper talking about UFOs, if these vids are not voiced over then its odd that people claim that they offer no weight or substance to the UFO debate on the possibility that SOME UFOs might be ET in origins; I do feel though that that these great men where at times adhering to the PAB on what they could or could not say;

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Here a couple of videos of astronauts Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper talking about UFOs, if these vids are not voiced over then its odd that people claim that they offer no weight or substance to the UFO debate on the possibility that SOME UFOs might be ET in origins; I do feel though that that these great men where at times adhering to the PAB on what they could or could not say;

The issue was the claim that there existed "Numerous UFO sightings by NASA crews. This means they witnessed objects they cannot explain. these were objects that couldn't be explained by NASA or things they had no knowledge of it being there".

The opinions of non-witness Ed Mitchell, and the stories from Gordon Cooper, have been discussed at length elsewhere. Mitchell believes a lot of unusual things are true, Which of them are we supposed to accept and which are we supposed to politely ignore? Ditto Cooper and his counter-factual spaceflight tales about relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens that saved the shuttle program from a non-existent fatal design flaw, to his highly over-dramatized personal stories of taking spy pix from space that showed readable license plates, to his spacecraft being scarred by impacts from a meteor shower that never happened, to. etc etc.. He was a good UFO convention guest, and made everybody happy, most of all those mesmerized by his NASA-manipulated image who refused to actually check up on his claims. Be happy. Embrace the ignorance. Feel smarter than your friends.

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Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Here a couple of videos of astronauts Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper talking about UFOs, if these vids are not voiced over then its odd that people claim that they offer no weight or substance to the UFO debate on the possibility that SOME UFOs might be ET in origins; I do feel though that that these great men where at times adhering to the PAB on what they could or could not say;

The issue was the claim that there existed "Numerous UFO sightings by NASA crews. This means they witnessed objects they cannot explain. these were objects that couldn't be explained by NASA or things they had no knowledge of it being there".

The opinions of non-witness Ed Mitchell, and the stories from Gordon Cooper, have been discussed at length elsewhere. Mitchell believes a lot of unusual things are true, Which of them are we supposed to accept and which are we supposed to politely ignore? Ditto Cooper and his counter-factual spaceflight tales about relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens that saved the shuttle program from a non-existent fatal design flaw, to his highly over-dramatized personal stories of taking spy pix from space that showed readable license plates, to his spacecraft being scarred by impacts from a meteor shower that never happened, to. etc etc.. He was a good UFO convention guest, and made everybody happy, most of all those mesmerized by his NASA-manipulated image who refused to actually check up on his claims. Be happy. Embrace the ignorance. Feel smarter than your friends.

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Hi Jim cheers for the reply;Yes i will be the first to admit that the info you supplied on Cooper is news to me but what bugs me is why he said such things if those where based on fantasies,was he aware of this damaging his credibility and social status amongst his peers;

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Hi Jim cheers for the reply;Yes i will be the first to admit that the info you supplied on Cooper is news to me but what bugs me is why he said such things if those where based on fantasies,was he aware of this damaging his credibility and social status amongst his peers;

I never could get inside his head, but his peers said he was already badly damaged by his unprofessional behavior and his bitterness over being replaced -- correctly -- on an Apollo mission by Alan Shepard. He resigned from NASA in a huff, and even left the country when shepard flew the mission he felt should have been "his".

Add in the literally millions of dollars that were scammed from space workers and their communities by con artists endorsed by Cooper, who unwittingly but arrogantly let them use his reputation to defraud the very community that had made his missions possible.

Naturally, this wasn't in line with the NASA-inflated heroic narrative, so the space agency and its supporters did their best to suppress that story.

That's what is so pathetic, and ironic, and even sadly comic -- enthusiasts who think they are penetrating a 'NASA coverup' when, in their pre-programmed [and politically useful] knee-jerk hero worship, they are pawns of that very coverup. Look at the shrieky, fingers-in-ears reactions of some of the modern victims when confronted with the full story on threads such as these.