Home fit for a hero? While £1m homes go to asylum seekers, a soldier who lost three limbs serving h

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


Haha, yeah it's all a learning curve from the moment I go to basic. Thanks for the advice, I'll need it. Yeah, it's a way of life all right, no b*llsh*t way of life with no pen pushing suits getting thrills out of putting you down.

It was a bit of a shock when I first started speaking to the army, then I understand and there way of thinking is just great, no BS, no lawyer speak, no babble. If only everybody was like that in civi life, maybe we wouldn't have alot of the problems we do now. Like with this poor b*gger in the OP.

England has become quite soft, as has America. This much is clear, but mark my words, the ultra left has another thing coming if it thinks people will not fight when it gets bad enough.

The people of England, and America I'm hoping, will push the tide back the other way and more than likely in a very violent way. I'm saddened by what I see going on in England these days (American living in Virginia) because I loved the place growing up.

I have ideas, but they aren't ones I'm keen to use. Things will escalate in our lifetimes. I'm willing to bet on it.

Peace
KJ

this makes me mad on all kind of levels.


First of all its bad enough our soldiers are sent trapesing round the world constantly to meddle in the affairs of other countries in the name of oil. They should be here at home ready to defend this country. During the riots several MP's even admitted that if they couldn't control the riots they had no option to call in the military because there wern't enough soldiers in the uk.

Secondly anyone who signs up to defend this country has most certainly my enternal respect and thanks and if they are injured such as this poor gentleman has they should be provided for by the state for as long as is needed.

Thirdly the Mail are a damn biggoted news organisation and they use things like this to push there political agendas.

Fourthly £1.2 million 7 bedroom house, thats just london being overpriced if there asylum seeker they won't have many conections to specific parts of the country so why house them in the most expensive part!

Fithly Assylum seekers are so unfairly abused in oh so many ways, firstly theres alot of corruption and abuse inflicted on many of them when they first arrive, then if they are granted assylum they are usually unable to work but given barely enough money to live on.

So a person is superior and should be just automatically get better housing, if they were in the army? I disagree... A person is a person, whether they were dumb enough to join an organization, that greatly increases your chances of physical and mental injury, or smart enough not to.





Okay... Flame on...

Isn't this ex soldier able to claim compensation for his terrible injuries - I read in the report that there is a cap due to financial situation (ie bankers ballsup), but surely he must be able to claim. He must also be in receipt of full disability benefits, his partner must be his carer and as they have 2 kids must reveice child benefit and some tax credits or other. I'm a firm believer that even in his position, he must help himself somewhat - rent a private home until his compensation comes in to buy one. And what about Help for Heroes , British Legion and other charities, I regularly donate the odd pound or two when I see someone raising money etc, can they not help him?

I agree its disgraceful, and cannot believe there is no other suitable housing available,but in the same way as there is bed blocking in hospitals due to inadequate facilities for older people, so is there council house blocking, where older people, whose families have left home, don't have access to suitable, say sheltered housing schemes, and are living in 2 rooms of a 3 bedroom property. It's not just the large families of asylum seekers that are responsible - that's just an inflamatory Daily Mail addition to what is a very sad story and reflection of life for ex servicemen in the UK (and elsewhere) today.

My hope is that he will not suffer alone, that now he has some publicity he will get the assistance he needs.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


No flame from me my friend. We have agreed on so many other topics in the past and, just because we do not on this one, I will not condem you for it.

A person cannot really understand the meaning of service until they serve themselves. My time was spent during the Cold War, when the enemy was more clear cut and the big corporations were not so obvious.
Many may say that I fought in the South Atlantic to give Thatcher a second run. True, it helped her. However, I went there willingly because a group of sheep farmers wanted to remain British. At that time, these were the weak people begging for help from those that were strong enough to protect them. That, my friend, is why I put myself in harms way, and that is why I would do it again in a heartbeat.

So, no, no flame for you, but respect for voicing your opinion.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
So a person is superior and should be just automatically get better housing, if they were in the army? I disagree... A person is a person, whether they were dumb enough to join an organization, that greatly increases your chances of physical and mental injury, or smart enough not to.





Okay... Flame on...

Spoken like a coward who will never know what being a real man is like...

When this liberal house of cards has finally come down, you will be hiding behind the ankles of those same folks whose duty it is to defend you..

Then afterward maybe you will show some damned respect!


EDA

You have already been hiding behind the ankles of people like me all this time.. You are safe because of it...

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Least its better to join an organization, than scrounging off the State for the rest of their lives. Those guys/girls who defend the UK deserve our respect. Young ones nowadays have no choice but to join up, since there is no job prospects for them in Civil Society as a whole.

I have more respect for those who fight for our country than those whom sit on their backsides all day, who scrounge of the taxpayer, and who live in 4 Bedroom houses, which is paid for by the state.

I think all the MPs should give up their expenses for one day and pay for somewhere decent for this chap and his young family.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


The British soldier is permanently being screwed over by the British government. Governments are always happy to send off troops into harms way, much of the time ill equipped for the job at hand, then when they get injured on the battle field they are left to sort themselves out.

Now as much as I believe the British Military turns boys into men and is an armed forces to be proud of, I don't believe we should have been involved in the wars they have been sent to. I don't believe they are defending the British public by being involved in these wars. We should with draw all our troops from Afghanistan, so no other British young man loses their life or has their limbs blown off for nothing.

My father served 20 years in the united states army with pride and retired after fighting in the gulf war and in Panama against general Noriega. My father was there when Noriega was Hiding in the church while the troops put on loud music. He even took pictures of Noriega home.

I wanted to follow my fathers foot steps at one point, but was turned away because I was diagnosed with chronic depression. For years I thought it was unfair to be turned away just for having emotions over a girl that broke my heart.

Now adays, seeing how the gov treats U.S soldiers like sacrificial pawns for their personal gain. I am Glad I was turned away, but saddened that My father could have possibly lost his life over a false dream.

I am sure many American soldiers have realized the reality of their gov by now. The ones that know this the most, are the veterans, especially the ones that fought in the Vietnam war.

I have also read stories about veterans being left homeless and without any help from the very country they fought for. Just goes to show how much the Gov cares about the people, especially the ones that fought for them.

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reply to post by woodwardjnr


I have known this for years, that the Governments of the UK held contempt for our armed forces. I have seen first hand the legacy of those troops returning from both the Gulf wars, Falklands, Afghanistan, and what they come back to, your really not telling me anything I do not know already really. But I agree with everything you have posted on this thread.

reply to post by RisenAngel77


You know something looking at those pictures really upset me. This is how troops from both countries are treated sadly. Knows there are a lot of ex soldiers in the UK whom are homeless also.

While at the same time, their political master live in a life of luxury, disgusting, Is why when my nephew wanted to join the army, His mother put her foot down and categorically said no.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Ill equiped, under paid and undermanned. Still we kept soldiering and got the job done. Standing tall in the face of adversity is what made the British Tommy great and yet, as you so rightly point out, the Gov still screws us blind. But, because of who we are, we will still do our duty. (past tense in my case)

reply to post by Human0815

Originally posted by Human0815
Please remember that this is not the fault of the

Asylum Seekers

The Fault is created by the Bureaucrats!

Worth repeating!

Ordinary people everywhere are being manipulated to turn on one another. ...It keeps the heat off the real bad guys. And the real bad guys are about to finish taking over our world. ...No one will have any rights - never mind benefits.

reply to post by soficrow

Never a more true word. Shame I can only star you once.

Pay attention.
Your parliament has become ineffective in the hundreds of years since it was first built & the government first formed.
It needs to be removed and started again from scratch. You people need to rise up and fire your government, remember they work for YOU, you do indeed have that power.
As the great man says "people should not fear their government, the government should fear the people" !

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by RisenAngel77

 

You know something looking at those pictures really upset me. This is how troops from both countries are treated sadly. Knows there are a lot of ex soldiers in the UK whom are homeless also.

While at the same time, their political master live in a life of luxury, disgusting, Is why when my nephew wanted to join the army, His mother put her foot down and categorically said no.

edit on 5-9-2011 by AnonymousFem because: (no reason given)

They like to break the ex soldiers spirit, make them innefectual because we are trained killers who defend our country. They cant have that spirit remain because they will be toppled if it does.

That tactic does not work anymore. The dog that gets kicked to often eventually rips the kickers throat out!

reply to post by EvanB


OK? One Afghan family gets a 1 million pound property to live in and an injured soldier gets a tenament on the sixth floor of a housing block. Shocking!

Shocking, though, in real terms, is why the Afghan family had to apply for refugee status in the first place, and also why this man had to loose three of his limbs in combat in the first place.

But let's not muddy the waters with the complex, contextual fundamentals - topical hatred is much more palpable...more opinion-based with a gritty 1:1, black and white simplicity to it.

So, as a non-UK resident, am I to understand that all refugees are housed in million pound villas while the brave corporate wounded warriors make up the new inclusive, multicultural ghettos?

Hmm...misleading metanymy is a hell of thing, eh?

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
England has become quite soft, as has America. This much is clear, but mark my words, the ultra left has another thing coming if it thinks people will not fight when it gets bad enough.

The people of England, and America I'm hoping, will push the tide back the other way and more than likely in a very violent way. I'm saddened by what I see going on in England these days (American living in Virginia) because I loved the place growing up.

I have ideas, but they aren't ones I'm keen to use. Things will escalate in our lifetimes. I'm willing to bet on it.

Peace
KJ

The Ultra left is an illusion. What exists now as the "left" is nothing more then paid stooge's designed to antagonize society to the point that the average citizenry would willingly embrace fascism.