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Originally posted by Veilwalker
If we americans were as vengeful as you say, most members of congress, and pretty much everyone on wall street would be dead now. the crimes committed against us by just those two groups are so massive..if we were so vengeful, monsanto would be gone, they introduced GMO's into the food chain..americans these days are only vengeful on the little stuff, not the big stuff.
Originally posted by MRSeuphoric1
And I call BS... There's nothing worse than an ungrateful, irresponsible American sitting on the sidelines bit**ing and DOING NOTHING TO CHANGE IT.
So before you stick your two cents in, back up and read the first 4 pages cause I am all over them participating in the debate. I only bowed out of the conversation after a day and 5 pages because I realized this thread is pointless cause the OP keeps flip flopping his opinion. (needs some history lessons.)edit on 4-9-2011 by MRSeuphoric1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RedGod
reply to post by jonnywhite
My bad, I quoted the wrong post.
Still, I think it's a bit unfair to cal "draft dodgers" cowards. They did what people always say to do "Don't like it, leave." They didn't want to do their duty, so they stopped being Americans. Easy-peasyedit on 9/4/2011 by RedGod because: Wront post
Originally posted by roadtoad
I already gave the answer to the OP on the end of page 6. No one actually commented. Alexsander's blog was next, contradicting someone, he didn't mention who, but I don't think he was speaking about me.
Vengenance all began because of religion, against the native indians. The prevasive attitudes continue to this day.
It should be known that not one inch of american territory was taken from the native indians in wars of aggression. NOT ONE INCH EVER!
It was all done by lies and underhanded tricks.
And why did Lincoln and the 14th admendment free the blacks but not the native indian?
Because Lincoln was black, that's why.
The 'Indian calvary' were the white calvary that went out and killed indians and stuff. The 'black calvary' were the black calvary that went out and killed indians and stuff. What if was the other way around. That the 'indian calvary were indians that went out and killed blacks and stuff. And the 'Black calvary were the white calvary that went out and killed blacks and stuff.
In 1965, there were 15 million blacks in the u.s. and 1 million indians. What if it were the other way around, and there were 15 million indians, and 1 million blacks?
Would 'diggers' be a worse word than ''n-word's, now?
No president ever, not even Andrew Jackson did more to destroy the native indian than Lincoln.
The lies, tricks and vengeful attitudes that happened then, with events such as the real story of Thanksgiving, as I described on page 6, began there, established a national attitude, and continue to this day.
And now that we've got a president that isn't even an American, the vengeful attitudes have come full circle.
Originally posted by m1991
Originally posted by RedGod
There's a petition now to allow concealed carry on college campuses. It would really cut down the fatalities in the next shooting, you know?
Perhaps, but it will also make them much more common. Would it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside if your classmates were packing lead and could shoot you at any moment if you made them mad?
Ha. I always thought it was fear that kept people from not using all caps.
Originally posted by Siddharta
reply to post by SplitInfinity
Yes, you are a scared bunch. Only scared people need capital letters to shout in forums.
Originally posted by Chinesis
reply to post by m1991
The once touted American Dream: is DEAD.
m1991-We have this idea of us being meek, righteous Christians, but we have NO sense of turning the other cheek and we worship mammon,
m1991-I'm not even religious
m1991-Our forefathers originally meant for the Constitution to only apply for white males. It wasn't written by God and wasn't a perfect document. If it was, it wouldn't have had to be amended so many times.
from m1991-I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the 'average American'.
m1991-America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen
m1991-Something's wrong when you can get a gun in an hour but it takes 9 months to get a passport
m1991-It's also proven fact most Americans are fanatical about guns and resent people who are on public assistance.
I'm just saying we're not even somewhat more humane than Europe, Asia etc were even in deep history.
I mean it's proven fact about 2/3 of Americans support the death penalty and a similar number think an innocent person has been put to death.
m1991-I would love to leave the United States, except I have family here and also it's extremely difficult for me to even visit other countries because of the difficulty in getting a passport.
Like compared to Europeans, Canadians, and most other First Worlders? I'm an American, and it's pretty obvious to me that American culture puts vengeance on a pedestal. I mean New Zealand police don't even carry guns, but we shoot people just for looting TV sets.
Just think about it I mean. America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen, and most people in America don't feel outraged about using it for whatever reason, unless a lot of American troops die and a lot of American money is wasted. Bombing entire nations into the Stone Age is acceptable retribution to many Americans for killing 3,000 of us.
Most Americans continue to support the death penalty even though most Americans also believe innocent people are occasionally put to death.
Besides, otherwise law abiding citizens who loved guns could still obtain them illegally if they wanted to badly enough, so it wouldn't be that ONLY thugs had guns, it would be simply a lot less people in general would have guns.
The worst thing too is Americans are especially unforgiving of the less fortunate. We hate people who go on SSI yet re-elect those who steal billions of dollars.
The point is, I would like to see a change from this vengeful and militaristic attitude in America. I would like us to become a peace loving and forgiving kind of people. Until then, I'm gonna laugh every time I hear people talk about Americans being the best people on Earth.
what if the situation was the opposite, and the criminal had the gun and your grandpa had the knife?
I don't think if I spent a month in Italy, I would change my tune that fast
Originally posted by m1991
Like compared to Europeans, Canadians, and most other First Worlders? I'm an American, and it's pretty obvious to me that American culture puts vengeance on a pedestal. I mean New Zealand police don't even carry guns, but we shoot people just for looting TV sets.
Just think about it I mean. America has the largest military the Earth has ever seen, and most people in America don't feel outraged about using it for whatever reason, unless a lot of American troops die and a lot of American money is wasted. Bombing entire nations into the Stone Age is acceptable retribution to many Americans for killing 3,000 of us.
Most Americans continue to support the death penalty even though most Americans also believe innocent people are occasionally put to death. I guess it's a price worth paying to exact full payback? To be fair, most Canadians also supported the concept of the death penalty until very recently, and even now it's probably a 50/50 split, but many European countries oppose it by a vast majority. If you compare Hong Kong's crime demographics (a place with no death penalty) to culturally and socially similar Singapore's (a place that uses it so much Texans might blush) you will see no evidence that the death penalty has any kind of deterring effect.
And let's face it, the reason Americans are gun-crazed isn't just because of the Second Amendment. It's because a lot of people here just love the idea of blowing someone's head off if they intrude on their property. Not to mention people love guns because they wanna feel like they're in a Hollywood movie or on the TV show Lost (love the show, but how many hundreds of gun scenes are in it?) The argument that banning guns would increase crime because only criminals would have them is wrong. If that were true, Australia, Canada, and Britain would have far more gun-related murders than the States. Besides, otherwise law abiding citizens who loved guns could still obtain them illegally if they wanted to badly enough, so it wouldn't be that ONLY thugs had guns, it would be simply a lot less people in general would have guns.
The worst thing too is Americans are especially unforgiving of the less fortunate. We hate people who go on SSI yet re-elect those who steal billions of dollars. Isn't our indignation misplaced?
The point is, I would like to see a change from this vengeful and militaristic attitude in America. I would like us to become a peace loving and forgiving kind of people. Until then, I'm gonna laugh every time I hear people talk about Americans being the best people on Earth.edit on 2-9-2011 by m1991 because: (no reason given)