Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number

Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by Helious

 

Am I implying something? I must have missed that in my posts. I'm stating something, and I had hoped I had done it clearly but that must not be the case.

oh man this is great

dictionary.reference.com...


Epic Fail.

I really don't want to get off topic and make this a personal debate, although, I could very well do that. I would point you in the direction of common sense and making a decent argument for the points I have owned you on.

I would advise you digress from one line catch phrases that only perpetuate your ignorance that may or may not involve links from Wikipedia. By all means, do what you do, that is only a suggestion to try and keep the thread on track.

reply to post by Helious

oh then dont worry about it. chances are someone has looked up his ss in the past. as for the lawyer being denied access...

"He concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, arguing that the need for privacy for the president trumps all else.

"The SSA explained that the Privacy Act of 1974 ... protects the personal information of social security number holders," he wrote. "The SSA determined ... the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure.

"Plaintiff makes no secret of her intention to use the redacted Form SS-5 to identify the holder of social security number xxxx-xxx-4425 – or, as plaintiff puts it, to confirm her suspicion that the president is fraudulently using that number," the judge wrote. "

take it up with the judge. obama isn't even refusing to show his ss. the lawyer just doesnt have a good enough reason to see it. the potus can be more secretive about his ss that other regular people because of his position in govt. all my opinion in a pointless argument. goodnight.

reply to post by Helious

a decent argument for the points I have owned you on.

Oh please point me where these happened at, you still haven't even explained how he became president without going through a background check in the first place, or did the Illuminati let him in?

reply to post by vjr1113


At least there's someone with brains up late at night.

reply to post by Helious

I would advise you digress from one line catch phrases that only perpetuate your ignorance that may or may not involve links from Wikipedia. By all means, do what you do, that is only a suggestion to try and keep the thread on track.

That link is to the dictionary see where it says it in the link? Second you say to keep the thread on track, but you insault me in your last post?...wow

reply to post by vjr1113


Please you don't think the judge got a late night phone call urging him to end this case and this would be in judges best interest. The only way the judge could use that law is if in fact it was proven Obama was a valid SS holder which it isn't hence the question of it being valid. that's why this ruling makes no sense I mean you posted it above look


"He concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, arguing that the need for privacy for the president trumps all else.

"Plaintiff makes no secret of her intention to use the redacted Form SS-5 to identify the holder of social security number xxxx-xxx-4425 – or, as plaintiff puts it, to confirm her suspicion that the president is fraudulently using that number," the judge wrote. "

That's was you call a contradiction above the judge states she isn't using the information to prove the SSN is genuine or fraudulent then he goes on to say Plaintiff makes no secret of her intention to use the redacted form SS to identify the holder of the social security which would prove he is using a fraudulent SSN.

reply to post by pcrobotwolf

that's why this ruling makes no sense

I'm not sure where you're going with your logic, but your logic's not getting you anywhere.

Well im taking my leave now, maybe you and dumbo can debate each other on who's the most paranoid?

reply to post by Helious


1. It matters a great deal. If the man does not meet the clearly defined requirements to be there, he should be stood down immediately, and perhaps charged with fraud for faking his certificate and info.
2. The current status of the USA is not OBAMA'S Fault, its a mixture of people over 2 administrations.The day Obama took office it was Bush's fault... after x years we are here today, it is now Obama and Bush's fault.

lets be reasonable ffs.

I was thinking about this ruling over night.

From the way I see it, she isn't technically saying it is a dead issue (because the intent was to use it publically etc).

I think she left the door open to a point that some law enforcement agency may get the infomation for a criminal complaint type of deal.

Not that it is going to happen-just discussing the ruling.

America.. the land of Law-which we must respect.

I think Orly Taitz is onto something, but unfortunately she's just a peon so she is not privileged enough to know someone's social security number. But if a federal prosecutor wanted to know someone's social security number, I doubt a judge would overrule it on the grounds of privacy. But having a federal prosecutor going after Obama would be like the second coming of Christ, probably not going to happen.

Originally posted by filosophia
But having a federal prosecutor going after Obama would be like the second coming of Christ, probably not going to happen.

Why would any federal prosecutor "go after" Obama?

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
This isn't just some dude off the street it's an eligibility attorney as stated above

What do you think a "eligibility attorney" is?

This is about silly claims Orly Taitz keeps making, and getting thrown out of court

reply to post by spoor

What do you think a "eligibility attorney" is?

That is a good and valid question. That is part of her problem. Did she advertise herself as such Before Obama came along?

Is/Was her legal practice and/or back ground in the field of law that she could claim herself as such? Many questions that took away from her crediability. Well, at least gave the media something to rip on her about. IMO.

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by spoor

 

What do you think a "eligibility attorney" is?

That is a good and valid question. That is part of her problem. Did she advertise herself as such Before Obama came along?

Is/Was her legal practice and/or back ground in the field of law that she could claim herself as such? Many questions that took away from her crediability. Well, at least gave the media something to rip on her about. IMO.

that is something i have no idea about sir and you very well could be right i have never heard of an eligibility attorney before. i should have looked into that more i just kind of took that label as something valid lol I guess that's what i get for writing without too much sleep

Who checks these things out when someone is running for president? I googled but got a few mixed answers.
One answer was that no one checks, the candidate just has to say he is eligible....this can't be true, right?
A few other places say the states can check when putting someone on the ballot if they choose to. I also read that only other parties have to show ID, not dems and repubs? None of these seem proper to me. Does anyone know for sure how it's done?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by bigwig22
It seems that the POTUS really is above the law.

Exactly the opposite in fact!

Perhaps you should read the actual reasons for the dismisal of the case??

"The SSA explained that the Privacy Act of 1974 ... protects the personal information of social security number holders," he wrote. "The SSA determined ... the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure.

"Plaintiff makes no secret of her intention to use the redacted Form SS-5 to identify the holder of social security number xxxx-xxx-4425 – or, as plaintiff puts it, to confirm her suspicion that the president is fraudulently using that number," the judge wrote.

So ther you go - a law from 1974 prohibits the use of SSN's for the purpose the plaintiff admitted he wanted it - in effect he said "Hey - give me the infoso I can break the law with it" - and the judge quite rightly told him to sod off.

it goes to show that even the POTUS is afforded the protection of the law!

edit on 31-8-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

this is an entirely different situation in which that law was enacted...

Whenever I go to apply for a job every single time they ask for my SS number and in order to qualify and get hired I have to give it to them..potential employeers.

In the case of POTUS the potential employers ARE public interest and IS the public since we all within this country are part of the employer...we should have access to the information that legitimizes the potential employees qualifications for the job. ie: ss#...

Originally posted by Helious
It honestly is pointless to continue this. I myself do not believe that he meets eligibility requirements for POTUS. That being said, how much do I actually care?

Since not much can be done about it, I prefer to focus on the complete and total train-wreck he has turned the United States into. Actually, in my opinion the train was already speeding down the tracks at 80mph when Bush left office, he just jumped in and kept it on the rails.

The reason TPTB don't want to allow this information to be scrutinised is because if he is proven to have been ineligible, it would not only mean the end of his presidency but all the laws, EO's, he has passed etc would be invalidated - which would be a huge blow for them.

That is why I think it's important to care about whether he is eligible or not.

America needs alot more than to prove Obama isn't eligible. We need a complete and total restructuring of government and we have to do it with looming global economic collapse.

Get your heads out of your asses and start focusing on real problems that we can actually solve.

If all the American people who doubted his eligibility united and organised themselves, they could force the Judiciary to release the info within a relatively short period of time.

reply to post by anon72


Geezzz when are people going to learn you dont question barry the boy king. However you can question his uncle that was arrested on dui in massachusets while in country illegally carrying a state issued driver license with a supposedly valid social security number....oh wait ...illegal aliens arent issued social security numbers....so how did he get it....??? Why isnt this being covered here...google it...just happened a few days ago

Obama's illegal alien drunk uncle had a SSN. Wonder if it was from Connecticut like Obama's was.....even though Obama had never been to Connecticut when he got it?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The US should be ashamed for all the crap they throw at our own government. We look so horrible to the rest of the world. Never mind the fighting amongst the Republicans and Democrats....the government in this country is a joke. I have never seen a president treated more like crap than Obama.....John Boner is the biggest jackass in government right now....why not throw some grief his way?

Are all you haters proud of yourselves? Is anyone proud to be American any longer? Or is it all about getting the dirt on everyone we can. The US is like a reality TV show...pathetic!