33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program

Originally posted by vincenz32
Guys, I am a long time lurking member. And I wish this was more of a tight nit small forum because my honesty and warm character could be verified by you. Other than me telling you: Guys, I am not a shill, I am an honest person, and I have no reason to post here, other than to show my excitement this morning. The reason I dont post threads here that often is because I am a knowledge gatherer and have no reason to post on something that I have no information on until today that is.

Well today, I just stumbled on some crazy information from a retired Brigadier General in the Air Force of 33 years. I will only give a location in the Blan edited viscinity, and he is the owner of a Blank edited in the blank edited area now. I have been buddies with him for almost 10 years now because we subcontract with each other for jobs all the time. The craziest thing is I really never knew his military background and I never knew he had a knowledge in this conspiracy type stuff. I also dont like people to look at me like I am loony, so I stray away from speaking to people about GLP/ATS type issues unless I can get a feel that they are of interest or have there own experience in the matter. So, we are working on a job this morning in the NYC area at my store, discussing plans about 20 minutes ago (yes you can tell I am excited) and I mention the Earthquakes from last week being on almost the same latitude line from Colorado to Virginia. Instead of him saying: "Wow , did you feel the shaking ? That was scary!"
The guy says "Yup, this world is changing very fast, many people have no idea what to expect in the coming years".

I immediately thought, that was a strange way to talk about the shaking sensations of last week. So, I continued in a small convo with him and for the first time ever he admitted to me about flying planes for the air force and retiring as a 1 Star Brigadier General in the US Air Force for 33 years. He even mentioned working at Wright Patterson and traveling to Nellis and Edwards AFB on numerous occasions. He used to fly C140B Cargo Planes as a young officer and eventually moved up the ladder to command and flag level ranks. I was thoroughly impressed with his repetoire so of course I had to inquire about the UFO topic and inside information. He laughed and said dont get me started. "I have NO insider information, only what I have seen and heard from my other brass buddies" Lingo for officer general staff friends over the years.--

A few things he stated:
-During his time at both Wright Patterson and Area 51 region as a COL and Brigadier General level he admitted to having TOP SECRET CLEARANCE as well as a need to know clearance into certain areas as what he called it. Basically everyone had TS clearance, and the way he said it worked was if you were supposed to be in certain areas, your superior gave you the clearance on an as needed and need to know level. There were no terms for this, just access, etc. He said that he never saw anything out of this world so to speak, but he did state that he saw hangers "LARGER THAN LIFE" over there that were heavily guarded, and he "even as a general was never allowed over or even close to them". FOr his entire 33 years all of his AF buddies always had stories and talked about Area 51 and WP AFB as having these incredibly large hangers, and also underground

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God I hate to do this, because there are already people calling any detractors disinfo agents but here's a site. www.af.mil... Now I didn't see the details that were edited in the OP but I couldn't find an AF 1 star that retired after 33 years as a 1 star, so I'll assume the OP meant 33 years in the AF and retired as a Brigadier General. Now that list I posted of all retired AF generals has several generals that retired after 33 years in the service. I don't see any 1 stars that retired after 33 years at least 10 years ago that currently come up in any searches as affiliated with a defense subcontractor. I could have missed it as it's a huge list but I don't think I did. So I think the story is bunk.

My biggest problem with these stories is that the poster never wants to identify their mysterious source but they always give more than enough information to track them down in short order. Uncle Sam identifies your user name, identifies you, cross references you with retired AF generals that meet the criteria you listed and boom he's readily identified.

But if anyone else wants to check the retired AF brass list I'll be interested in seeing if I missed it.

hello i grew up at WPAFB my dad work on WP for AFOG and yes there are hangers there that are heavily guarded and it is rumored to house the roswell crash materials you can see the hangers if you get on google earth and find the AF museum and its the first hangers to the left on the museum.

reply to post by Frira


You assume everything is built where you assume it is built. Why can it not be manufactured close by or even directly where it is assumed to being secretly launched? Who says the rocket or its parts have to be shipped anywhere?

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Three weeks later, without quoting the post, you reply? I don't blame you for not quoting the post-- I would not have quoted your words and my reply if I were you, either.

So, Mister Laughing-Out-Loud, what you call "assumption" is known by others as deduction. You are a puppy, so it is understandable that you have no sense of scale-- not of budget, not of acreage, not of required employees, not of the expertise those employees would need to have, and not of logistics.

As you become an adult, these things will likely occur to you; but, meanwhile, your LOLs do not do you credit.

Most if not all of what is posted is contained in the old audio tapes from Dr. Peter Beter. His stuff was done in the 70's & 80"s. He pretty much covers all of what was contained in this thread. I think there's a thread on here about Dr. Beter.

Moon base's. Soviet Cosmodromes, (floating space platforms). I have read quite a bit of Dr.Beter's recordings and some of his rants are pretty accurate. It would not surprise me if all of it was true. It would be great if we all had a friend who was retired military, One who could give us the inside scoop. The nearest I ever got to that was.

I have a friend who is a retired minister. He told me God is imaginary, then we laughed.

If infomation like this is really true then it goes back to the fact the the government has the public just where they want them. We have been conditioned to respond to anyone reporting extrodinary happenings as nothing more than some type of natural happening such as swamp gas. You get the idea. When I was in the military you really didn't go around asking too many questions about anything. The military culture is one of do or die. If you were told that the sun was made of Swiss cheese by your commanding officer then that is what they expected you to believe.

I think the problem with human nature though is if we do know something very important we naturally want to tell somebody else. High ranking officers are no different. The futher they get from the ridged military mind set the easier it becomes to let you guard down and start spilling the beans.

Dear thread starter,

Is there any relation to your general and Dr. Edward .J. Weyer by any chance? In the JPL website, he has been reported to retire after 33 years of service in NASA. Any coincidence?


Just throwing a stone, I guess!

Originally posted by Frira
In the first two sections-- I don't think there was a single item not matching known programs-- the kind which have press-releases. In the third section...

I'll just offer one example where credibility went out the window: Apollo 18 and beyond?

Just how did we build, transport and launch a Saturn V moon rocket and no one noticed?

All the Saturn Vs are accounted for. All Lunar Modules are accounted for. Tourists have been in and around the Vertical Assembly Building at the cape every day-- pretty sure someone would have noticed a moon rocket being stacked, not to mention, launched.

Well, who said that the APOLLO 19-22 missions used the saturn V or any form of "conventional" rocket ?
with all that supposed technology available to enable trips to Mars and Phobos etc why would they use something as primitive as a rocket?

Originally posted by nake13

Originally posted by Frira
In the first two sections-- I don't think there was a single item not matching known programs-- the kind which have press-releases. In the third section...

I'll just offer one example where credibility went out the window: Apollo 18 and beyond?

Just how did we build, transport and launch a Saturn V moon rocket and no one noticed?

All the Saturn Vs are accounted for. All Lunar Modules are accounted for. Tourists have been in and around the Vertical Assembly Building at the cape every day-- pretty sure someone would have noticed a moon rocket being stacked, not to mention, launched.

Well, who said that the APOLLO 19-22 missions used the saturn V or any form of "conventional" rocket ?

That seems rather self-explanatory: Claiming Apollo 18, 19 and 20 actually went is a theory based upon the knowledge that those three missions were originally planned and funded-- even partially built. Thus, my answer makes no assumptions, but provides evidence that the theory that they were launched anyway cannot hold.

It seems you wish to to ignore that the first theory is easily refuted by taking a new theory that an Apollo 18 Mission would not use Apollo technology.

So, is your concession that my refutation is bullet-proof therefore implicit in your changing the subject?

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I.m sorry but I failed to notice any info/evidence that would make your refutation"bullet proof"?
I was being ironic in any case.

Originally posted by nake13
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I.m sorry but I failed to notice any info/evidence that would make your refutation"bullet proof"?
I was being ironic in any case.

I'm glad to know that it was intended as ironic. I see the smiley wink, now.

As for a bullet-proof refutation of Apollo 18 (and beyond) mission, it is in that all of the LM's CM's and Saturns are accounted for.

Thus, your ironic intent is exactly the way others responded in sincerity to the fact that all the major components said to have been part of secret Apollo missions are actually present on earth and accounted for-- that is, instead of conceding the fact and dismissing the impossible theory; instead, the theory is adapted to the even more absurd:

"Well, we used Star Gates!" or
"Well, we created a secret underground nation whose slave labor does nothing but build and launch Apollo rockets in the Antarctic!"

I marvel that some will continue more deeply into the absurd rather than concede that what began as a speculative pet theory cannot be possible. Unless one has evidence needing explanation, a rational person abandons speculative theories which have been proven to be based on false data.

There is nothing-- NO THING-- unexplained which becomes explained by the speculation that there have been manned missions to the moon after Apollo 17. It is a needless theory which can be dismissed, at a glance, by a learned person.

Imagination is great if it is informed. Bad science fiction does often get published... for a reason.

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Without committing myself, I guess this story could be credible. As much as I want to believe in UFO/ET technologies from space-faring races, isn't it more likely that the U.S. Government has been researching & developing advanced aircraft? Which is the more likely? Occam's Razor says the former. Isn't it more likely that in all this time we've developed an aircraft that will turn 90 degrees on a dime rather than we reversed engineered alien tech? I don't know....I'm just asking. For heaven's sake, we sent people to the moon.

Its believable and credible to me because how he describes his access or in-access to black projects. These projects are so compartmentalized that even this General, with a TS clearance, did not have unlimited access. I've read that even the base commander at Wright-Patterson didn't know they F-117's there when they first arrived (or something to that effect). This highlights the concept of "Need to Know." At that particular time, he didn't have a need to know.

Believe me, I really, really want to believe in extrterrestrial life, that it crashed here, and that we've been back-engineering their technology. BUT, the realist and pragmatic in me, says I don't know....

Originally posted by iamhobo
Someone just needs to bite the bullet (pun intended), and live stream an attempt to get past the gates of area 51. Not to that stupid sign, but where the camo dudes sit and beyond. If it's live streamed there's no way it can be confiscated.

The risk is more than likely death so I'm sure as hell not going to do it.

Just figured I'd put the idea out there for someone who has nothing to lose.
(let the surveillance begin

)

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I don't know where Afghanistan is on the map or yemen or Tunisia and places where our Congress is sending people go to in a cooker and get blown up (by mad people who don't like our government.) Lets not be so terrified of our government and of the corporations that are making cartoons out of us and making us behave like beasts towards each other.

The surveillance begin, Can Americans stop being suspicious and creepy of every movement we each all make and make noise in the right place. Be Patient more is coming.

Originally posted by vincenz32
A few things he stated:
-During his time at both Wright Patterson and Area 51 region as a COL and Brigadier General level he admitted to having TOP SECRET CLEARANCE as well as a need to know clearance into certain areas as what he called it. Basically everyone had TS clearance, and the way he said it worked was if you were supposed to be in certain areas, your superior gave you the clearance on an as needed and need to know level. There were no terms for this, just access, etc. He said that he never saw anything out of this world so to speak, but he did state that he saw hangers "LARGER THAN LIFE" over there that were heavily guarded, and he "even as a general was never allowed over or even close to them". FOr his entire 33 years all of his AF buddies always had stories and talked about Area 51 and WP AFB as having these incredibly large hangers, and also underground

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Funny how it all began with the Mayflower Compact and some Deuteronomy nonsense about Loyalty to God and establishing his soveign kingdom of earth.

But your story vincenz is sadly not "larger than life," it is missing some strong details and I am reading a book now called the Rise of the Luftwaffe that has some cool things mentioned, stressed skin construction. Rohrbach a firm advocate of cantilevered wing methods of cutting down drag.

With Area-51 it is a lexicon of babble, very lacking in technicals of "Underground," and UFOS and working on stealth invisibility and warp engine drive and so and so saw something but can't talk about it. Buy a small house and go with the schmucks who can't write a book and want to make a name for themselves and talk about the hidden signs in bubble wrap that say don't enter or an alien may blast you with a laser. I could understand French and I don't know the language, but at least it is something substantiative there unlike the Area-51 hokey pokey tales. If you are comfortable with the story then that is fine, personally I would prefer a travel guide that nicely covers up all of the defects of a town

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Dude I've worked for folks that make several million a year in take home. They are sometimes the least educated people I've ever met. Can't work excel. Can spell for crap in any of their emails. But they are CEOs and make s loads of money and are well respected. Sometimes it's not about what you know but what you do that makes or breaks you.

So can it with the if you were a successful business man your grammar and spelling would be perfect. Anal Grammar Snob.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
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Dude I've worked for folks that make several million a year in take home. They are sometimes the least educated people I've ever met. Can't work excel. Can spell for crap in any of their emails. But they are CEOs and make s loads of money and are well respected. Sometimes it's not about what you know but what you do that makes or breaks you.

So can it with the if you were a successful business man your grammar and spelling would be perfect. Anal Grammar Snob.

You have just described the entire argument against obtaining an MBA. You're right....few of these top CEO's have their MBAs, let alone even a degree. Maybe great business sense but no common sense mostly. Which is why we are always reading about them in the news. lol

Originally posted by vincenz32
Guys, I am a long time lurking member. And I wish this was more of a tight nit small forum because my honesty and warm character could be verified by you. Other than me telling you: Guys, I am not a shill, I am an honest person, and I have no reason to post here, other than to show my excitement this morning. The reason I dont post threads here that often is because I am a knowledge gatherer and have no reason to post on something that I have no information on until today that is.

Well better than watching Joe Paterno doing something scandalous molesting some kids or something.

Sounds kind of iffy.. You're not a shill that is the first thing that you mention. And Area 51 lore is becoming like car stuff. Like everyone knows how to fix a car when it comes to a problem you have, but you find out fast that those people are talkers, don’t know diddly about cars and mainly are full of it. Like probably Bob lazar. Notes you are seeing more of the Area-51 talk with the Mayans thing coming up. There are no starships there. Underground in the hangers under seen, and we on the top see the cabins that are satellite photo but it is probably just a regular base with not much going on.

A general who got to shake the hands of Dwight Eisenhower in the great halls of Congress. While talking about Mayan prophecy and underground UFO hangers, the wildest west, or could it have been a hologram of a UFO, he must have Oracle of Delphi powers.

is the OP even here?

fail to see why this was dragged back up, oh wait.. sry.. now i do..

Carry on...