I hope there is a Life after his one.

Well, if we are going with just accounts of people that "died" then came back, only some seen a figure like jesus...typically people that had a religion involving him to a degree, or had some latent christian leanings anyhow. Ultimately people usually see things that reinforce their desires or beliefs to an extent...their background understanding of what an afterlife is like.

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I have to say....I personally have studied and researched NDE and OBE and I can honestly say it does NOT matter what a persons belief is. When you go home...as an atheist, Muslim, or what have you....you will see Jesus. There are many to study my friend and they ALL align with one another. It is a great science of observation that leads me to believe these experiences are more real than we consider them to be. Why so many discount them as evidence I do not know.

A Muslim dies....see's. Jesus.

An Atheist dies....see's Jesus.

A Buddhist dies and will see....GUESS WHO? Jesus!

If he were not so important maybe they would indeed see others...but the name does indeed matter to the Source from where we obtain our Energy from...(Light).

Religion unfortunately has humanized our spiritual essence and in doing so has lead to much confusion.

Confusion leaves when you are aligned with the Source of the True Spirit though. You sense what is True. The forgotten sense is indeed the sixth sense.

This existence does not remember another one (well some spirits do remember other life times), therefore an Atheist may not be a true Atheist...just in this life he/she is. Maybe the spirit of the Atheist felt like it would be good for their soul to experience a non belief because their last life they persecuted non believers....

Once the energy goes from this world...it is gone from this world and the remembering of the spirit comes into play. This is why no matter what you believe in this life...you will still see the Truth...Jesus. He is and will forever be the Spirit of Truth. We feel and see Truth upon leaving this life time. (my opinion of course)

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
IF there is no life after death.....then I have to ask myself, Who or what had been floating around my bedroom as a child, touching my feet, a face to face one morning, one episode of possession which I remember vividly and the continuing sightings up to the present day.....with video?
The latest I awoke one evening to see a white face floating above my wifes face.... A lot like pushing your face into the fabric of space but where it meets there's a bright light(reaction) and to simplify it further a face sized starched white illuminus sheet with the mouth, nose and eyes defined in it. Cont.shortly.

I too have had experiences with spirits like what you have described. Not at length though. It was always after a passing of a loved one. Energetic for sure!!

My neighbor has just moved from Memphis and they lived in a home that was haunted for a few years. His stories are amazing.

It is my belief these spirits are hovering here because they do not know how to let go of this realm. They have no idea they are "dead" to this world. I speculate the why but for some reason they never let go and I can only assume it was out of fear. Other spirits try to help the wanderer and in time they will cross. Maybe you can help them...have you tried?

Originally posted by MamaJ
There is life after death...no matter what you do or do not believe. The question is really....what state of "mind" will you find yourself in?

Prove it and no I wasn't trying to offend anyone.. im simply saying that its rather obvious what a christians belief is, and the OP clearly stated he was an atheist... imho if a religious person comes to a thread, assuming he/she reads the post, talking about jesus and heaven is almost subjecting someone to your belief, would you not agree? I've seen you post before MamaJ, and I respect you.. I m sorry if those names bother you, you're more than welcome to call me a blasphemer.. that wouldnt hurt my feelings (I am typing with a cell phone so sorry for any typos)

OP first I'd like acknowledge your curiosity and I welcome your open mind regarding this topic. Many people have a skewed perspective regarding life after death. Religious interpretation and biblical stories aside, life after death is merely a future not yet experienced by your soul. It is future thought, not a "now" experience, and will never be experienced until in the now, so don't regard end as being anything short of your own perception of how life goes. You were told life ends, you see people die, but you yourself have never died. Therefore, you have the ultimate doubt in regards to the fact that you are going to actually "die" because you've never experienced it before. (Not to say you aren't going to*)

But...

Death is merely the transition of consciousness into another form. Your consciousness is eternal, it exists without form in the physical realm, only connection to your body. Spiritual you are experiencing your own unique universe, shared with a vast amount of other souls that interact on a physical realm, manifested out of each individual consciousness into a collective experience. So if you are looking for answers about life after death, your consciousness continues, and it will be your choice, within your own reality to where you want to go, and what you desire to be your destination. Remain positive, remain open and do not forget that your consciousness is free to roam, you are in control.

Peace, light and love for all.

My regards.

I'm not religious at all. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt - doesn't work for me at all.

I've never had a near death experience either. I don't know anyone who has had one, though I've read countless reports on such things on the web, in books, etc.

I've never done anything really bad either. Never killed, robbed, raped, etc. Done a few questionable things in my youth, sure, but then haven't we all? Nothing I feel that would push me one way or another towards Heaven/Hell. But then again, as I'm not religious I don't believe in a Heaven or Hell - so my reasons for not taking part in crime are moral ones, and not religious.

Have I suffered some traumatic event or great loss in my life, which has pushed me towards this ultimate question on a voyage of self discovery and introspect? No.

I just get up, I go to work, I socialise, I use the web, and I like to discuss things like this. Am I qualified to talk about a 'life which comes after this one'? Not really. But then, who exactly is?

Priests, preachers, holy people? The Pope himself? Last time I checked, none of them (or anyone else) had firsthand experience of the afterlife either, so they don't really know much more than I do. Everything they know comes from teachings and literature which has been handed down to them by man. They may be older, smarter, wiser and have faith by the bucketload - but when the curtain comes down, none of them actually know anything more about what really comes after this life than I do.

Scientists? Well, they have a pretty good idea of what energy is, and the scientific angle of an afterlife simply being a form of energy transference is a very, very interesting one. But they have a long way to go in terms of proving it - they still can't articulate or substantiate exactly what a soul is, never mind prove that a soul actually exists invisibly within our bodies and we're not simply just the sum of all the neurons firing in our brains. I think, therefore I am. Does that mean I'll live forever in a series of afterlives? Not necessarily.

Doctors? Again, very intelligent people and I have the utmost respect for what they do. But none of them can educate us on the afterlife either. What they will tell us is that an NDE is nothing more than chemical imbalances and processes taking part in your brain, in a similar manner to those which can be induced by '___' and other mind bending drugs. However, that doesn't explain how someone floats out of their body and tells the doctor later what colour the walls are in the locked room next door.

So yeah, all of us 6 billion+ humans stuck on this planet are in pretty much the same predicament : we just don't know what happens when our bodies finally give their last breath and we snuff it. Many of us believe one thing or another, but nobody can say with 100% certainty (or prove) what happens. The only guy that's ever really done it and lived to tell the tale was a Mr Jesus Christ about 2000 years ago - but then again, if you're not a Christian (or like me you don't fall under the bewitching spell of religion) .......... then that means nothing.

So, my question is this ..............................................: does it actually matter?

Would you live your life any differently if a higher being came along and told you that when you die you float off to this wonderful Nirvana where everyone is happy and there's no pain or suffering? And would you live your life any differently if the same being told you that when you finally close your mortal eyes and darkness consumes you, that's it?

Would you be a better person? Be nicer, do charity work, feed small animals every time you see them? That suggests you're seeing the afterlife as some kind of reward and your behaviour is thus focused on earning something - and you're not just being your good old natural self.

Would you be a worse person? Lie a bit, steal a little, beat people up, maybe even take up a little murder? That suggests you're not an especially good person at all and the only reason you haven't done this so far is because of the fear of what comes after. Again, you're not just being your good old natural self.

What comes after this life shouldn't matter. The important thing is THIS life - not the next one. Don't focus on the afterparty when you haven't even finished the show yet. Live THIS life to the absolute best of your ability. If you want to be a good person, do it. If you want to be a bad person, that's your choice also. But bear in mind - afterlife or no afterlife - morals are here for a reason and by having a morally responsible society, one that chooses not to partake in pain and hurt, this life is a lot easier to bear.

And at the end of it all, if you die and go to a great afterlife - that's a bonus. If you turn to dust, you'll not even know about it. Perhaps that's what Hell truly is.

As for my own beliefs in what comes next? I'll keep that to myself for now.

Originally posted by 31Bravo

Originally posted by MamaJ
There is life after death...no matter what you do or do not believe. The question is really....what state of "mind" will you find yourself in?

Prove it

and no I wasn't trying to offend anyone.. im simply saying that its rather obvious what a christians belief is, and the OP clearly stated he was an atheist... imho if a religious person comes to a thread, assuming he/she reads the post, talking about jesus and heaven is almost subjecting someone to your belief, would you not agree? I've seen you post before MamaJ, and I respect you.. I m sorry if those names bother you, you're more than welcome to call me a blasphemer.. that wouldnt hurt my feelings

(I am typing with a cell phone so sorry for any typos)

edit on 30-8-2011 by 31Bravo because: Typos

Aww.....I love you no matter what and you are in no way "name calling". If you have read my words then you know I am not "religious". I have been to church in my past but I do not hold any of one religion on a pedestal. I do however consider Jesus the "Truth". For one to search for Truth is in search for it...Jesus is it in my opinion. Not because the church told me so. I have never been a "good" follower. I like to ask a lot of questions and the "church" didn't like to answer them.

I am what I call a seeker of Truth. My years seeking has lead me to Jesus. I do not call myself Christian...Jesus never told me I had to. SO...I do not like labels. For those who want to label me though....call me a seeker of Truth....it fits me better.

I believe in the afterlife as I believe in the Universe. I can see it...I can sense it...and I love it!

Proof is within my observed experiences. I have loads of stories since I was a little girl that confirm the after life. I have read many accounts of the after life. I have seen "ghosts" who were stuck in this world. I have watched a number of my loved ones pass on and before they died told them how to come to me....they did.

This life has been a painful one. It has also been an encouraging one. The Mountains have never been too steep for me to climb but I have always had help from the other side. They all know I do not fear them and because of that I am helped out in a spiritual sense to know and feel the Spirit of Truth. I think we all do...some just dismiss the obvious.

Cont.

If you wanted a more Esoteric view from my own personal experiences through meditation etc. then there is something after but it's not life as you know it..... the idea being as you live each life or level you change each time until you reach perfection again, where after I don't know how long the process is but it begins again.
How it was shown to me: Stars(Soul Perfection).......Stars Fall(Lowest Level Carbon/Silicon and lowest energy soul)......Life(Soul recharge phase 1)...... now I was shown the next 3 phases and there were alot more above that but to know how they worked? I was just shown a picture of a star filled sky and a waterfall filled with stars and at the foot of the falls was Earth..the stars arrived on the Earth's shore and there begins Life at the end of life was a path upwards to another plain and so on and so on all the way to the top where stars began to take their place back in the star filled sky. A black serpant guards the bank to the waterfall of the next plane. No going back down?? maybe
That was it as I said Esoteric but I beleive it to be true as I trust the SOURCE.
p.s edit... NO SHORTCUTS MIND my signature explains it best.

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Annnnnd you win for just being awesome and no I haven't seen a lot of your responses I have seen a few with really good points.

On topic though, if you believe in afterlife but you have tons of questions to the church.. why blind faith? (Serious question not pulling punches)

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I believe in reincarnation, in the evolution of the soul, Earth is a school, it is a stage set for us to learn through experience, to make choices, to gain consciousness.

Eventually there is no more to learn here and we stop coming here but the journey continues elsewhere.

I recommend you these two books:

- Journey of Souls
- Destiny of Souls

The author is called Michael Newton, it is a psychiatric that works with hypnosis.

Hope you find the meaning, i think i did and i am doing much better now.

A pregnant woman is giving birth and it hurts a lot but she can take it because she understands the meaning, the goal of that pain is to give birth a child, so she can take it.

Likewise, in life we can resist hard times much better if we understand the meaning of it all.

In the end of the day only our actions and words count, the rest is a stage for us to take the right actions, to make the right choices.
So don't fear anything but your actions (or lack of them). They are the only thing you can control and for them you are accountable and nothing else.

Hope i helped.

Cheers.

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it sounds as tho you mite be considering suicide i really hope not my friend the belief in religion has helped the masses for along time and thats why it is so abundant and will still be here after we are gone even if a new civilization came out of our ashes there would be a different religion by a different name to take its place i to am a atheist but i put my beliefs aside as to be sound of mind when it comes to science but for all its faults i believe that religion benefits ppl in some aspects like how to deal with death so if you need that sort of comfort plz try going to church or speak to a representative of you choice plz dont do nothing irrational. peace

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well said i to question to much for church and im now an atheist but still know the benefits of religion and in some way still want to believe

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Well the ones in my present house are very aloof and even as stated above the face I tried to wake my wife very discreetly but they obviously noticed me being awake and before my wife could see it, it was gone. I believe they may be relatives as to why they haven't moved on ....maybe its simply a fact they are waiting for loved ones first?

Originally posted by applebaum
I am an atheist. However, I sincerely hope that life goes on after this one and that we have a purpose for existing. Various family problems and some hard life complications in my youth, cause me to long for a chance to do it all over again. I long to meet those that have passed, heal issues and reach new heights together.

Do you believe in life after death? Can you tell me why? I know you can't give me empirical proof but I would love to read your experiences. I guess I am a little down tonight and wish there was more to life than just the here and now.

Currently, the here and now is not a happy place for me.

I hear your misery and while I could offer a variety of suggestions for being happier with your life or changing it to be happier, I am going address your comment about hoping there is a next life by re-introducing a video that will address what happens when we die or at least what I believe:
The Science Of Eternity (Part1)

If this interests you, I expect you will seek out 2 thru 8

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Life it pretty persistent, so it's bound to continue. Death hasn't stopped it yet.

Originally posted by 31Bravo
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Annnnnd you win for just being awesome

and no I haven't seen a lot of your responses I have seen a few with really good points.

On topic though, if you believe in afterlife but you have tons of questions to the church.. why blind faith? (Serious question not pulling punches)

Ha! You are soooo sweet! Now that is what I call LOVE!

I HAD questions the "church" could not answer. After losing a child I asked the Minister at the Church I had been attending, not to mention me and all of my girl cousins worked there, if he knew where Josh was. He told me it was a mystery. That was the wrong thing to say to me. Before in my church going years I had attended more than one denomination to find my way. I was lost with all of them. I went to a christian school when I was younger to only to be told not to come back. They hate it when you ask questions they cannot answer.

I went on a journey....still on it to be exact. Lovin every minute of it too.

I have answered my own questions and I thank God for each experience because the good and bad have lead me to where I am today. I never gave up searching and seeking out the Truth's of this world and the others. I now have a complete understanding. Is it right? I doubt it.... is it the whole truth? Naw.....I doubt it. What I do not doubt is there is an after life and there is a hell and there is a Jesus. God is the source of the ALL. Those are absolute Truth's for ME.

I am in no way a saint. I do things others would consider bad but my intentions are not to hurt myself or others. I have a heart of Gold and would do anything for anyone....even pick up a stranger. I feel empathy for others on a major scale!!! Not all do...but I feel people.... all their pain and all their happiness.

Sense it...know it. This is ME...since I can remember. I am working on my intuitive side now in my journey and I hope to "feel" on a larger scale. Intuition is not a forgotten sense with me. It is a sense. It helps when observing people and situations.

To me...in my opinion....Life in the afterlife is more real than this one. There are different levels of existence and experience. Words can not describe what it is like to be free of this world. It is as if a burden and or weight is lifted off of you and you are now "free". The Truth Spirit sets us free (Jesus).

There is life after death, OP.

It's not a solid thing. It's not a dense thing. It's not like having your body now, where you can get as much sensory input and stuff as you can right now...because you don't *have* a body any more, natch.

We don't cease to exist, though. You'll be ok. I know what fear of death is like; it's my own biggest buzz killer, most of the time. I only recently figured out though that the main reason why, is actually because I love being here as much as I do...which is sort of weird when you think about how messed up this place is right now.

Don't worry about it. I've had to go for anaesthesia for a few times for medical operations, and I figure death is going to be just like that. You'll spend time crapping your pants about it for a while first, but then you'll realise; it's not so bad.

Read the OP and the first page, so this has probably been said, but here is my opinion.

It would be nice to live on after this one, to drift as a truly free spirit still retaining consciousness and the cognitive ability to retain and learn knowledge, but mixed about if it is for me. However, it is hard for me to seperate these attributes from the body. We do have great energy flowing through us and that energy could be transformed upon death, but much of what we know is linked to the Human brain. It could simply be a hub for the energy that is in simpler terms, our spirit, to exist in the Human form. However, it could also be that the energy dissipates upon death and death truly is final.

I think that we should truly live towards the latter.

To build upon my post in the Elenin thread, to be a Human is truly a gift, it really is. For what we know, there may be nothing else in the universe with such limitless potential, to be creative, to have limitless thought, to learn, to have the wide range of emotion, to appreciate aesthetics of this world and our own lives. Even to think with such inquisitive minds as every person on this board must do in order to be here, is truly a gift, to sought knowledge and the truth. To say that we may be the only ones could well be ignorant and arrogant, but what if it is true? What is we really are one of a kind. There many species and creatures on this planet, all with their own unique traits, but Humans, they have the ability to protect and to serve ourselves and our fellow inhabitants. There are those of us that sought to accumalate wealth and possession and let them. It is those of us that accumalate knowedge and wisdom. Those that love and let go and fight with passion. Those of us that sought to discover and invent. Those Scientists, Explorers, Teachers, Poets and Philosphers that reside within all of us that truly defines the Human spirit.

Whatever is beyond this world, let it be, each one of us will be there soon enough. However, we may never see this again. Once we die, exist on or not, we may never see Earth or everything and everyone we know again. Family, thought, walking around , talking, music, love, the sun rise and sun set things that we take for granted every single day, all gone. I just think that we should live for what we know here and now, rather than what we could be tomorrow. This life is actually too great to wish away, when you think about it.

Originally posted by applebaum
I am an atheist. However, I sincerely hope that life goes on after this one and that we have a purpose for existing. Various family problems and some hard life complications in my youth, cause me to long for a chance to do it all over again. I long to meet those that have passed, heal issues and reach new heights together.

Do you believe in life after death? Can you tell me why? I know you can't give me empirical proof but I would love to read your experiences. I guess I am a little down tonight and wish there was more to life than just the here and now.

Currently, the here and now is not a happy place for me.

Are you truly an atheist or are you an agnostic? An atheist will not accept the concept of a divine being, and usually they say, "Dead is dead", with nothing waiting beyond.

An agnostic is usually pretty vocal about there not being a heaven, but in secret they pray there is no hell.

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
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Well the ones in my present house are very aloof and even as stated above the face I tried to wake my wife very discreetly but they obviously noticed me being awake and before my wife could see it, it was gone. I believe they may be relatives as to why they haven't moved on ....maybe its simply a fact they are waiting for loved ones first?

May I suggest you and your wife hold a meeting. They are already there so... Invite them to come into your living room as if you are having "friends" over and communicate with them as they are there and talking back to you. I know this sounds silly but if you want them to find peace you will be helping them do so.

Tell them they are "dead" to this world and can be happier if they go toward the Light. Their experience is over here and is not needed. They can be free if they will just find the Light and move toward it. Pray for them (even if you are not a believer) to see and go toward the Light. They are stuck.....and I can only imagine what that "feels" like. I bet it is neither good nor bad...they are just lingering until they decide where it is they want to go. Encourage them to seek the Light.

Maybe they have something to tell you or your wife?? If that is the case you can also add in and or ask them to reveal whatever it is they want to say to you by coming to you in a song. I have found it is easier to communicate to the "dead" via anything electronic.

Either way....they need to go.

What if God is right? What if there is a heaven and a hell? What if there is a judgment day?