Defense Against Alien Craft

Although we do have treaties with some of the Alien Races....as to now...there has been little we could do to defend our airspace against intrusions of Non-treaty bount E.T. craft....until now.

The Holy Grail of Energy Weapons has been finally developed and is now at the end of testing it's targeting and aquisition aspect. I speak about the FREE ELECTRON LASER. Previous to it's development....lasers in general were not thought of as a good way to either protect airspace or shoot down any incoming ICBM's.

The reason for this is that Laser systems were effected by atmospheric conditions as a cloud or even high amounts of water or moisture in the air....would effect a laser beam to the extent of either reflecting the beam or absorbtion of it. Plus to even get a beam of sufficient power to shoot anything down...required vast amounts of energy and it was determined that the only way to get a beam this powerful...and mobile at the same time....was to go solid state.

Many argued that Particle Beams were the way to go but particle beams have a nasty habit of not only burning down a target but possibly irradiating the shooter. All this has been solved with the development of the FREE ELECTRON LASER. I will not state how it works here as it is too long but please google it....and as far as power of the beam....Discover Magazine reported that a nuclear powered beam will burn through 1000 ft of solid steel withion seconds.....this is NOT A MISTYPE! 1000FT OF SOLID STEEL IN SECONDS! Obviously this means that this weapon has many other practicle uses besides shooting things.

The recent NAVY targeting experiment of a small sea craft that was in motion....as well as a NOT SO SECRET...low energy shot and targeting of a USAF MINUTEMAN III NUCLEAR CAPABLE ICBM....which was said to have been tested and blown up remotely shortly after launch....HA! A MINUTEMAN III is a super reliable old tech. ICBM....and there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to test it....other than to use it as a target.

The Navy intends to equip all it's carriers and some other ships such as the AEGIS CLASS ANITI-MISSLE SHIPS....with the FREE ELECTRON LASER. This weapon is a quantum leap over ANYTHING any other country has and CHINA...a country that is developing CARRIER KILLER MISSLES....has through private channels....been very unusually contrite in asking the Pentagon and other top level Obama Staff....what the U.S. has in mind as far as this weapons use.

As well as it's use in making our Navy virtually inpregnible from attack....it's use has been designated to the Army, Marines...a branch of the Navy...and particularily....U.S. SPACE COMMAND....a branch of the USAF. If there is anything that could bring down an Alien Craft....this is it....and I know that a new system of satelitte tracking is in it's early stages for Global Coverage and possible refective aspects of target aquisition.

This thing is real....google it. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


" This will sound stupid ... what if they just make the projectiles reflect the laser ? It's a high tech material called a mirror that would make the laser waste 99% of it's energy. "

L in LASER stands for Light.

If they use microwaves it's called a MASER and that's not good for shooting down moving stuff.

maybe X-ray or some other frequency will work, but from my point of view anything that can be reflected can't be a good weapon unless the US plans to invade another third world country.

This is your thread. Shouldn't you post links for us?

Plus, I doubt a laser could defeat an alien ship...just sayin'.

You cannot be attacked by alien craft if you carry a green pickled cocktail onion in your shirt pocket.

Try it and prove me wrong.

... or ask anyone with green stains on their shirt.

Originally posted by RanDeLv2
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

This will sound stupid ... what if they just make the projectiles reflect the laser ? It's a high tech material called a mirror that would make the laser waste 99% of it's energy.

Indeed, if they have the capability to bend light (they do) then defeating this type of weapon is near effortless. The only ways to defeat such craft is to somehow overcome their effective deflection limits (how much energy it takes to deflect something). So if you overcome the amount of energy the craft can use over a certain surface area then you will cause penetration. However, most of these craft have the capability of changing quantum frequency so any simple projectile is pretty much irrelevant.

The only way I see to take down such craft is to have some sort of reactive quantum energy weapon. That pretty much means creating a "packet" of energy that is projected to the craft in order to react to the craft's quantum energy envelop so as to use the craft's own energy against it. If successful this most likely means the craft would be "dissolved" so there would probably not be any useful remnants to speak of.

So yeah, if you are lucky you might be able to get a strong enough shot through the craft while it is on a similar quantum frequency or have a quick reactive energy shot to potentially dissolve the craft. However, even the reactive energy has a counter so don't bet on it being all that effective. Remember this though they can always change frequencies to avoid you.

Also, forming treaties with such beings is pretty much utterly pointless. The more advanced among them probably have very little if any form of central authority to speak of. So basically you are dealing with individuals and not necessarily "societies". Any societies that may agree to a treaty are going to be very few. Most extraterrestrials wouldn't give a moments thought to any "treaty".

Free electron laser could be useful in warfare as long as the enemy doesn't start putting mirrors on their craft and munitions.

This post I originally placed in the Alien forum but ATS moved it here so since it was kind of a response to another topic and that topic line of discussion....to you here....it can be taken out of context. I agree that any Alien Craft....which is most likely using a form of Gravitic drive....thus since any drive of this nature is using a focused amount of vast energy to create a Singularity in an effort to either fold space or create a directional gravity well for a craft to fall toward....YES....the Aliens should be able to divert this Laser beam in the same way light bends toward any BLACKHOLE or singularity.

As I said...by ATS moving this...it is out of context...so I apologize for that but....IT WASN'T MY IDEA!....ATS!
As far as using a mirror to reflect or deflect a free Electron Laser....it would have to be all but perfect a mirror since ANY flaw would become a burn through area. Split Infinity

Originally posted by Elzon

Originally posted by RanDeLv2
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

This will sound stupid ... what if they just make the projectiles reflect the laser ? It's a high tech material called a mirror that would make the laser waste 99% of it's energy.

Indeed, if they have the capability to bend light (they do) then defeating this type of weapon is near effortless. The only ways to defeat such craft is to somehow overcome their effective deflection limits (how much energy it takes to deflect something). So if you overcome the amount of energy the craft can use over a certain surface area then you will cause penetration

The 'holy grail' is an x-ray or gamma-ray laser, which is extremely hard to achieve and extremely hard to 'deflect'.

Yes if these supposed ET's have gravitational warp drive, it would also affect EM radiation---note that this works two ways. If x-rays were deflected around the ship, then the occupants couldn't see out. Presumably an x-ray laser attack would have a very short-lived pulse and may be successful if the target were not able to adjust sufficiently fast. More to the point, it is possible that the warp-drive effects necessary to deflect an x-ray laser attack would be incompatible with the craft's usual freedom of navigation using such warp drive. So it could be a (temporarily) successful denial-of-operations weapon even against an advanced ET with warp drive.



During the mid-80's the large-scale x-ray laser was a pet project of Edward Teller for SDI. The only feasible design at that time required exploding a substantial thermonuclear warhead in space (and potentially causing a damaging EMP on Earth) with some (obviously) one-time use only x-ray lasing cavities/assemblies.

In the context of the Cold War, this would be a desperately offensive "defensive" weapon, virtually impossible to use rationally. In its explicit deployment, it would have to be detonated over the USSR only a few minutes after ICBM's were launched.

And what if the detection was a false alarm? From the USSR's point of view, the USA just detonated a space-based H-bomb to cause a EMP, which is the classic opening shot of WOPR's game of Global Thermonuclear War. So, it's exceptionally dangerous to ever deploy; it is an offensive weapon of desperation with apparently little sensible use in usual strategic scenarios.

I don't know if this technology is remotely feasible or deployed; I generally doubt it.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


"Although we do have treaties with some of the Alien Races...."

I don't suppose you have any proof of this, do you?

It's a pretty cheap trick to throw this out there without some sort of foundation for the statement.

Anything at all you want to provide to back up this claim would be appreciated.