What if I am really a Monarch child.

Originally posted by Phenomium

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer
how in the world did you come with that conclusion?

ah yes, by proxy of your own facetious vibrations.

... and thanks for the links (despite me not believing this and talking about it for hours on end

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edit on 29-8-2011 by BlackSatinDancer because: (no reason given)

Not so much by my own vibrations but by the vibrations of terms that you sporatically placed all throughout your sarchastic remarks...such as.."HOLY SNOT BALLS!" and "Holy Crap!", in areas where they didn't seem applicable if you were taking any of this seriously, despite your hourly comments.
I suspect you didn't even read inside the links as #1,....you had no time to before you responded and..

#2, had you actually read inside the links you would have known that Roger Sperry's findings portended that you didn't actually need to take the brain hemisphere OUT of the head...only isolate the hemispheres and program them individually according to their specific talents. Making them foreign to one another by creating traumas that when re-connected could, indeed, create separated personalities.
But you're way to smart for me anyway, so I suppose no matter what I say or offer as proof to ward off your "intelligent" remarks which appear in all logic, to be passive insults....you clearly have all the answers anyway.

First of all, don't critique what I read and what i don't read, dude... because my time is my own and it may be more involved and important than you know despite my interest in this thread and the fact that I DID read what I was commenting on, which was your words.

FOR THE RECORD since I need to explain my personal details to you of why I would say HOLY SNOT BALLS... is because I had been really trying to figure out the connection to gaga and illuminati because one of her videos is tainted with stuff i have experienced.... and those are PERSONAL experiences of MINE... not HERS, but she makes money for it because it's now ENTERTAINMENT.

Not to mention the fact that I do know that people in our own government are currently being threatened and this is tied directly to that... that is much more of a startling realization than to have just heard that it was possible by what you've read online.

You are mistaken and I WILL use the language of my choice for my own expression! That is my RIGHT!

Don't like it? don't read it, but my own personal time management is not your concern.

All I can say to all of this is - I do not believe you. As a survivor of military and religous abuse, as an overcomer of trauma and torture myself, I am simply disgusted you (op) would seek to manipulate people in this fashion.
While my disgust will be irrelevent to you and in the big picture it doesn't particularly matter to me that you present these lies as truth and muddy waters unnecessarily to apease whatever borderline fantasy is in your head..what concerns me most is the consequence of people like you on legitmate victims of abuse.

Originally posted by Rosha
All I can say to all of this is - I do not believe you. As a survivor of military and religous abuse, as an overcomer of trama and torture myself, I am simply disgusted you would seek to manipulate people in this fashion.

That could apply two ways from my perspective

so can I ask who you are speaking to?

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer

Originally posted by Rosha
All I can say to all of this is - I do not believe you. As a survivor of military and religous abuse, as an overcomer of trama and torture myself, I am simply disgusted you would seek to manipulate people in this fashion.

That could apply two ways from my perspective

so can I ask who you are speaking to?

edit on 29-8-2011 by BlackSatinDancer because: (no reason given)

I was refering to the OP who, rather than answering direct questions with simple and direct answers is obfuscating and gaming with people heads thinking no one will 'get it'. I do 'get it' and I dont like bait... well..not that particular worm anyway. You want to bite..go for it...I've said all I am going to.


Ro

I have doubts, why?

Well... have you ever seen my sight? I have a website that has been co-opted for sites like this for quite some time. Whether it was really me or not. Why? I have an over whelming degree of symbolism on them that is talent based and not attached to some fringe person thinking they're special because they think some pop-icon is neato. My own mother found the butterfly to be an interesting place of discussion in the realm of Christian belief - set aside from the idea of the butterfly as some mind controlling place. She saw it as an example of a path of enlightenment where one could show where they started as a human and evolved into something better. Sadly she left this plane (owing to death) a decade before. But the lessons she offered are still here, nonetheless. Some would say the path -the suggestion of the caterpillar to butterfly myth- is just sludge in a greater plan. Anyone with a grasp on their own life would feel some greater lesson at play where no strings were required.

Why is it our co-opted, special children come from the monarch background so scary? They're these creatures who are trained to be militant sluts who adhere to political nastiness while at the same time be so smart and special children? Oh yes, we've read the same book as you to gain this special knowledge of the monarch program --but they all seem to be uber smart and creative types who are able to be programmed into #ing dogs and politicians -in our opinion, the same damn thing, How special and sad are you?

I hate to admit this, but this response comes after a night of self indulgence and reading the books that lead to this type of thinking. What annoys me is there are symbols I've adored my whole life that have lead me through a hard life as living as an artist. There is no wealth, no special treatment, the idea that anyone thinks my ideas are special beyond the fact that I'm a great artist. I'm not some special creature -- just one who can't make it in normal society. If I had a government handicap, perhaps. When I hear this bull# symbolism I was raised on, it doesn't change my opinion one bit --- and I live to have someone convince me my mundane creative life means more. Please, change my belief. If I drink I blank out. There are childhood memories that aren't clear to me. And seriously... if you look at my artistic career? You'll be able to tell that I could illustrate any funniness in my past if it entered my brain. So put me there and I will help you find your own. Seriously.

But until you can do that, illustrate to me this incredible world you describe and I'll back it with one of pure make-believe and sheer hoping.

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer

Originally posted by Rosha
All I can say to all of this is - I do not believe you. As a survivor of military and religous abuse, as an overcomer of trama and torture myself, I am simply disgusted you would seek to manipulate people in this fashion.

That could apply two ways from my perspective

so can I ask who you are speaking to?

edit on 29-8-2011 by BlackSatinDancer because: (no reason given)

I was refering to the OP who, rather than answering direct questions with simple and direct answers is obfuscating and gaming with people heads thinking no one will 'get it'. I do 'get it' and I dont like bait... well..not that particular worm anyway. You want to bite..go for it...I've said all I am going to.


Ro

edit on 30-8-2011 by Rosha because: typos

I do bite bait, then I go on about my business swimming- line and ALL.

I actually understand your frustration because pragmatics are important.

i have considered all along that the OP might be baiting and have even devised a temporary theory of what the purpose of doing it HERE would be although without conclusion- I don't want to jump to that... but the OP may actually be very confused, yet knowledgeable about many fractured events and he simply has not collected all the pieces which could take time and combine it a new collected energy that makes him want to talk about it... yet he still feels he needs to. I am not yet decided on this because I know that suspicious looking dodging of things like that can transpire from perfectly good intentions.

Whatever the case may be, it is still an effort... even if it was his bad efforts- bad efforts often simply backfire especially amidst better principles that they choose to tread across. This effort has produced good revealings in my opinion... especially in my mind, whether that was the point or not.

I understand your principle of pragmatics but what about the principle of meeting energies you are uncertain of with attempts at understanding? That may be very important too.

Maybe your request will cause him to want to reveal more... but I would choose to not scare him away at this point until more is learned.

What if it was all true and it was just that it could not be proven?
Would that be a good reason to let a truly tormented person be unheard?

That would be a TERRIBLE crime. I say let's be weary of that right now... he may indeed be suffering greatly from the residual mental effects. If it were true and he were turned away, this is how it becomes so easy for those without voices to take drastic action without consciousness of the pain he might cause the others (which can sometimes seem like ALL) who have only let him down.

How can anyone be certain at this point?

Anyway, the straight talker in the link from your sig has my interest.
I'm going to be trying to figure out where this mans true intentions lie as well.

Originally posted by EttaDiem
I have doubts, why?

Well... have you ever seen my sight? I have a website that has been co-opted for sites like this for quite some time. Whether it was really me or not. Why? I have an over whelming degree of symbolism on them that is talent based and not attached to some fringe person thinking they're special because they think some pop-icon is neato. My own mother found the butterfly to be an interesting place of discussion in the realm of Christian belief - set aside from the idea of the butterfly as some mind controlling place. She saw it as an example of a path of enlightenment where one could show where they started as a human and evolved into something better. Sadly she left this plane (owing to death) a decade before. But the lessons she offered are still here, nonetheless. Some would say the path -the suggestion of the caterpillar to butterfly myth- is just sludge in a greater plan. Anyone with a grasp on their own life would feel some greater lesson at play where no strings were required.

Why is it our co-opted, special children come from the monarch background so scary? They're these creatures who are trained to be militant sluts who adhere to political nastiness while at the same time be so smart and special children? Oh yes, we've read the same book as you to gain this special knowledge of the monarch program --but they all seem to be uber smart and creative types who are able to be programmed into #ing dogs and politicians -in our opinion, the same damn thing, How special and sad are you?

I hate to admit this, but this response comes after a night of self indulgence and reading the books that lead to this type of thinking. What annoys me is there are symbols I've adored my whole life that have lead me through a hard life as living as an artist. There is no wealth, no special treatment, the idea that anyone thinks my ideas are special beyond the fact that I'm a great artist. I'm not some special creature -- just one who can't make it in normal society. If I had a government handicap, perhaps. When I hear this bull# symbolism I was raised on, it doesn't change my opinion one bit --- and I live to have someone convince me my mundane creative life means more. Please, change my belief. If I drink I blank out. There are childhood memories that aren't clear to me. And seriously... if you look at my artistic career? You'll be able to tell that I could illustrate any funniness in my past if it entered my brain. So put me there and I will help you find your own. Seriously.

But until you can do that, illustrate to me this incredible world you describe and I'll back it with one of pure make-believe and sheer hoping.

I'm not sure if I understood your whole post, but I'm thinking on it and trying to understand exactly what it is you mean.

All i can say about the things you've said is that the butterflies are not, in themselves anything to go crazy about in my opinion... they have always been kind of popular as a fashion statement. I'm sure the popular dragon fly has wonderful meaning as well. gaga is a talented person who seems to have tried very hard and is continuing to try to be something successful. All of the seemingly normal symbols that are provided in this thread and on this website about her are actually to let others recognize that she is a product. This can be upsetting but this can also be reassuring, because some people in the government are interested in how art has changed society for the good.

the symbols that i refer are of a different kind that NO ONE that I have read has even noticed or talked about. The other symbols have no personal meaning to me... i suppose that is why it took me so long to piece different artists together and stuff based on there manufacturing tags... and that is exactly what they are, to let those who recognize them know who produced them.

gaga got herself into the pop world with talent but has no qualms about borrowing ideas. Some artists think that is theft whereas some see it as a beautiful tribute. It's important to know what the artist thinks about them so that people understand that it was a tribute and not a mockery.... but in gaga's case, with some of this stuff- she probably has absolutely no freaking idea that these creative ideas are tied to an origin of meaning... even if perhaps only in just a few people's minds. Not everyone will see the same symbols.. they cannot mean the same to all if they are personal, but when you know you are being cued- it is very imporant to know who is cueing you, friend or foe. i just don't know how much she knows and feels about these things but i DO know that she has a large team that contribute to all this creativity... because that's just how pop culture is sometimes. She cannot possibly be aware of all the origins for these ideas... but to see her side by side with this information that i KNOW very few have, it upset me and made me wonder who they are trying to say she is. I felt so envious sitting here watching very critical points of my consciousness on a screen in front of me while I sit here tied to endless failure. My nose was being rubbed into something very spiritually dark and it made me want to blow my brains clean out of my head... but i pressed on, changed the way i was feeling RIGHT THEN with happy chemicals and gave myself time to realize some things. i can't draw a definite conclusion about the intention behind those images... whether it was SUPPOSED to be good or bad, but she is definitely connected to something large and INFORMED.

EDIT...I have to finish and edit this, something went screwball and i hit submit because I was afraid i was about to crash.

Ok... i edited it. i don't know what to tell you about your own quest for your own special place in life but here is a little chaos for you just to consider, not to conclude... but to consider that you may indeed be quite important to someone.

like Jesus Christ for example. sure, EVERYONE is important to Jesus... but what if you learned that somewhere around 2000 years ago you gave birth to a unique being and regardless of all the crap that got stirred up around him for being different, you stood beside him love until the day he died.

Just saying, ya know. You never know.

We are ALL somebody, we always have been... it would be interesting to know who, wouldn't it?

The OP reminds me of this story of David Corso and Duncan O'Finioan. Who went through similar programming to be Super Soldiers in a Black Ops program. I do believe there stories as if one goes through their material it is compelling and also reminds me of the Manchurian Candidate movie, where the movies premise is that a person has been programmed to have a subset of personalities where upon a wernickes command is given that person becomes an active shooter. OP may even be a Sleeper?

Originally posted by Epsillion70
The OP reminds me of this story of David Corso and Duncan O'Finioan. Who went through similar programming to be Super Soldiers in a Black Ops program. I do believe there stories as if one goes through their material it is compelling and also reminds me of the Manchurian Candidate movie, where the movies premise is that a person has been programmed to have a subset of personalities where upon a wernickes command is given that person becomes an active shooter. OP may even be a Sleeper?

I think i know what you mean by sleeper... i've heard the term used. I think this is what scares me most about his story because if it is real and he was LEAD to the idea that he was programmed by his programmers and he came on here in confusion and tried to tell people about it in a skeptical environment even though one might think they would find understanding in a forum such as this. To feel a REAL conspiracy that personally and know that not even conspiracy theorists are willing to listen to what you have to say is the icing on the cake.

... or it could be something completely different. I have tried to tell people of sorcery that I perceived in my own life and it was met with quite a bit of resistance which only compiled failure in my mind and the need to lash out. HOW you lash out becomes very important because you can lash out in a lot of different ways. Some of them much sloppier than others.

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer


I do bite bait, then I go on about my business swimming- line and ALL.

I actually understand your frustration because pragmatics are important.

i have considered all along that the OP might be baiting and have even devised a temporary theory of what the purpose of doing it HERE would be although without conclusion- I don't want to jump to that... but the OP may actually be very confused, yet knowledgeable about many fractured events and he simply has not collected all the pieces which could take time and combine it a new collected energy that makes him want to talk about it... yet he still feels he needs to. I am not yet decided on this because I know that suspicious looking dodging of things like that can transpire from perfectly good intentions.

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true."- Goodkind.

If you cant tell yet, this person is manipulating everyone here with a thinly veiled projected state of 'helplessness'.
Cavorting with and using your own emotional landscape this person intentionally or not, is only trying to embed the fantasy they have created for themselves further into their own mind and by going along with them you are in fact (imo) aiding in their self perpetuation of any early years abuse that actually did occur. That makes *you* on par with the monster in the end..which is after all the goal of this type of ' end game'....which you should know if you are a "delta" was it?

Real terror? Been there done that. It is finite. While finite doesnt automatically mean 'false' it does mean it ends and when it ends, REAL power begins.

Imo, if this person was truthfully a 'deprogrammed' victim of MK, a survivor not self perpetuator of abuses, they'd know that too.


as for this : I understand your principle of pragmatics but what about the principle of meeting energies you are uncertain of with attempts at understanding? That may be very important too.

You're assuming a great deal. I *do* comprehend not just understand the nature of energetic involvments and that is EXACTLY why I take the stand I do.
I am not turning anyone away from being 'heard', that is not however a caveat to say I will sit by and watch in silence while an entire forum of people get played for fools.


ymmv

Ro

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer


I do bite bait, then I go on about my business swimming- line and ALL.

I actually understand your frustration because pragmatics are important.

i have considered all along that the OP might be baiting and have even devised a temporary theory of what the purpose of doing it HERE would be although without conclusion- I don't want to jump to that... but the OP may actually be very confused, yet knowledgeable about many fractured events and he simply has not collected all the pieces which could take time and combine it a new collected energy that makes him want to talk about it... yet he still feels he needs to. I am not yet decided on this because I know that suspicious looking dodging of things like that can transpire from perfectly good intentions.

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true."- Goodkind.

If you cant tell yet, this person is manipulating everyone here with a thinly veiled prejected state of 'helplessness'.
Cavorting with and using your own emotional landscape this person intentinoally or not, is only trying to embed the fantasy they have created for themselves further into their own mind and by going along with them you are in fact (imo) aiding in their self perpetuation of any early years abuse that actually did occur.

Real terror? Been there done that. It is finite. While finite doesnt automatically mean 'false' it does mean it ends and when it ends, REAL power begins.

Imo, if this person was truthfully a 'deprogrammed' victim of MK, a survivor not self perpetuator of abuses, they'd know that too.

ymmv

Ro

edit on 30-8-2011 by Rosha because: sourced quote

You say I don't get it but you just totally and completely contradicted yourself.

this is essentially what you just said "IT'S NOT MIND CONTROL.... IT'S IN YOUR MIND"

uh... yeah... we know that.

The problem is that it might very well be in his mind You getting it yet? I thought that was the simple part. Fallacy or not, if it's got him going- it's effecting HIM which could therefore effect EVERYONE.

Speaking of hardship, what in the world do you care about my emotions if I choose to bite his bait?
Can't you see I made that choice? I don't know if anything he said is true but it was meant to open dialogue. why in the world can't you see that? Of course he was baiting but we can't be certain what for... and that means you too.

I think it is very possible that he may not be sincere but chose to play a part!

If *I* want to know what for and engage in polite conversation with him in order to see what else he has to say, who are you to come in here and spoil it? You don't really know what's going on, do you? Yet YOU'VE made a conclusion, which is much different than others who are just having a conversation with him. He may be lying through his teeth yet still for what he thinks is a good reason and I will say I think there are better ways but perhaps he hasn't figured out a better way to bait out strange dialogue... so he just jumped in a did it. it's not like he's in here trying to promote WWIII.

How can you be certain he is trying to HURT people? He's not being rude.
How can you be certain that he is just wanting to feed his fantasy?

How can you be certain that he is lying for BAD reason?

You don't... all you see is something that doesn't quite add up, which is GREAT... but you must admt if you have no idea what his game is.

Maybe YOUR method is to try to force it out of him by brute logic... fine... whatever, but you dare say I don't get it when I am looking straight at you equally cruddy conversation tactics. Your logic of pragmatics holds no water when you yourself have nothing to go by!

YOU be pragmatic and admit you don't really know why he is doing this... if you are going to preach the notion.

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer


I do bite bait, then I go on about my business swimming- line and ALL.

I actually understand your frustration because pragmatics are important.

i have considered all along that the OP might be baiting and have even devised a temporary theory of what the purpose of doing it HERE would be although without conclusion- I don't want to jump to that... but the OP may actually be very confused, yet knowledgeable about many fractured events and he simply has not collected all the pieces which could take time and combine it a new collected energy that makes him want to talk about it... yet he still feels he needs to. I am not yet decided on this because I know that suspicious looking dodging of things like that can transpire from perfectly good intentions.

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true."- Goodkind.

If you cant tell yet, this person is manipulating everyone here with a thinly veiled projected state of 'helplessness'.
Cavorting with and using your own emotional landscape this person intentionally or not, is only trying to embed the fantasy they have created for themselves further into their own mind and by going along with them you are in fact (imo) aiding in their self perpetuation of any early years abuse that actually did occur. That makes *you* on par with the monster in the end..which is after all the goal of this type of ' end game'....which you should know if you are a "delta" was it?

Real terror? Been there done that. It is finite. While finite doesnt automatically mean 'false' it does mean it ends and when it ends, REAL power begins.

Imo, if this person was truthfully a 'deprogrammed' victim of MK, a survivor not self perpetuator of abuses, they'd know that too.


as for this : I understand your principle of pragmatics but what about the principle of meeting energies you are uncertain of with attempts at understanding? That may be very important too.

You're assuming a great deal. I *do* comprehend not just understand the nature of energetic involvments and that is EXACTLY why I take the stand I do.
I am not turning anyone away from being 'heard', that is not however a caveat to say I will sit by and watch in silence while an entire forum of people get played for fools.


ymmv

Ro

edit on 30-8-2011 by Rosha because: sourced quote

I'm assuming a great deal?

No guy.. just no. do not tell me what i am doing when i should know.

you THINK I am assuming but that is not your concern. you want to talk PRAGMATICS friend? let's talk pragmatics. look at the definition of ASSUME. It would mean i have taken a conclusion from his words. I have taken no conclusion from his words. I am just helping to facilitate THEORY... which is still inconclusive, which i have not ASSUMED.

now there are some things i do think are conclusive in this thread, but I have repeatedly stated that i cannot yet conclude on what his story is.
You are not comprehending this well, I think. I don't think you are picking up on some very important tones that are going on in this thread. Many people have approached this as though it COULD be true, yet are still not ASSUMING. They are just using a cooperative tone to see it unravel because it is appropriate.

YOU.. have noticed some holes... good for you, but if you claim you know exactly what his reasons are.... then I WILL assume that YOU are actually the one who is quite presumptuous.

Seriously, take a look at the definition of the word assume and then read your own words.

Trust me, i know how to recognize an ASSUMPTION.

Rosha, let me point something out to you about finding definitive answers with small pieces of logic.

I have done this myself. I have decided that someone is a complete and total liar based on ONE of their decisions or ONE of their lies.

sometimes you can do this, but you have to get the situation backed all the way into a special kind of corner of attention before this final stroke of duality will play out in full. With THIS guy, i don't think we are quite there yet. this could go too many different ways. we have not yet got this cornered, and if he is a victim... we do not want to force it.

You're talking to me like i'm stupid and calling everyone in this thread fools who are trying to see where he is going with this and it is premature in my opinion. if you were reasonable, you would try to hear me out instead of ASSUMING I'm just some dumb chick on the internet, but if that's what YOU choose to do- it only serves to let me know what kind of person YOU are.

Black Satin.


I have re read what I wrote and I have not made a contradiction at all, though I can see how you might have jumped to that conclusion. Me "effectively" saying something - a translation of what I wrote from your pesonal perspective - and what I actually wrote are two different things.

I didnt come here to answer your questions in any case, I came to give my opinion on the ops original question "What if I am a Monarch" a question, which after reading her replies to others I replied " I think you are lying".
I do have a right to hold a different view to you.

I have stated several times my reponse is IMO....I make no claim of fact. I write as *I* know and utilising what I have gleaned from my own experiences. What I know and can deduce from plain observation is born from experience - direct life experience and not just of violation itself but the steps required to RECOVER from it.
So, yes, I could pat and comfort this persons head right into hell or I can stand up and tell the truth as I see it.
What you choose is, and will be your own business.



Ro.

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer
Rosha, let me point something out to you about finding definitive answers with small pieces of logic.

I have done this myself. I have decided that someone is a complete and total liar based on ONE of their decisions or ONE of their lies.

sometimes you can do this, but you have to get the situation backed all the way into a special kind of corner of attention before this final stroke of duality will play out in full. With THIS guy, i don't think we are quite there yet. this could go too many different ways. we have not yet got this cornered, and if he is a victim... we do not want to force it.

You're talking to me like i'm stupid and calling everyone in this thread fools who are trying to see where he is going with this and it is premature in my opinion. if you were reasonable, you would try to hear me out instead of ASSUMING I'm just some dumb chick on the internet, but if that's what YOU choose to do- it only serves to let me know what kind of person YOU are.

edit on 30-8-2011 by BlackSatinDancer because: (no reason given)

Truth bites Satin?
All this from one reply to a question YOU asked?
If you dont want an honest reply, then dont ask questions!
Let it go. I am. Ive said what I came to say..this person is lying IMO!!
Dont like that? Tough! If you want to believe them GO RIGHT AHEAD, its your choice and I am not stopping you.
And if you think being known as someone who passionately speaks their OWN truth born from living experience is a 'negative' thing..well..thats a waste of time as I embrace that fully.

I didnt argue with you about pragmatics because you had made a judgment that that was what I was doing and tried to corner me into some argument on that issue on your terms when I am *fully* capeable of choosing which arguments I enter into and on what terms thanks.

Btw I included myself in the 'people are stupid' quote..another assumption. I dont set myself apart as 'special' Im just human and know myself just as easily duped as the next guy and in this instance I am even stupider than most because I knew before responding that this kind of crap would eventuate and so..I am even more stupid for buying in with foreknowledge! Still..its also my choice to buy OUT...which I now do.


Oh..last words on the topic of assumptions.... I'm not a 'guy'. Thanks tho.


cheers.

Originally posted by goldentorch

Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by goldentorch

 

Europe retaking America how? Europe never lost America.

True but now it's becoming obvious.

Not really. If anything Anti-EUism is on the rise. Especially now that people are learning about the secret bailouts to EU banks and how the Fed's QE is about shoring up the Euro..

I could easily see a chain of events causing a Russian/China-American Alliance invading the EU.

Originally posted by Rosha
Black Satin.


I have re read what I wrote and I have not made a contradiction at all, though I can see how you might have jumped to that conclusion. Me "effectively" saying something - a translation of what I wrote from your pesonal perspective - and what I actually wrote are two different things.

I didnt come here to answer your questions in any case, I came to give my opinion on the ops original question "What if I am a Monarch" a question, which after reading her replies to others I replied " I think you are lying".
I do have a right to hold a different view to you.

I have stated several times my reponse is IMO....I make no claim of fact. I write as *I* know and utilising what I have gleaned from my own experiences. What I know and can deduce from plain observation is born from experience - direct life experience and not just of violation itself but the steps required to RECOVER from it.
So, yes, I could pat and comfort this persons head right into hell or I can stand up and tell the truth as I see it.
What you choose is, and will be your own business.



Ro.

No need to point out that it is your opinion. also no need to try to make it seem like I'm trying to prevent you from having one, because that is not the case. If I wanted to d that I'd get a hacker to delete you account, which I would never do but pragmatics, you know. I know a thing or two about them.

anywho... I challenged your opinion because it was polarized from most of the others and now I'm getting replies that gives me more of an idea on how you form opinions... so that's great. I still think there are just many things you are not considering... although have agreed all along you could be right. I just don't agree with the claim that you KNOW.... because when you do that, it's no longer an opinion according to the horses mouth.

Do you need a link to the definition of opinion because I will be happy to retrieve one for you.

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by BlackSatinDancer
Rosha, let me point something out to you about finding definitive answers with small pieces of logic.

I have done this myself. I have decided that someone is a complete and total liar based on ONE of their decisions or ONE of their lies.

sometimes you can do this, but you have to get the situation backed all the way into a special kind of corner of attention before this final stroke of duality will play out in full. With THIS guy, i don't think we are quite there yet. this could go too many different ways. we have not yet got this cornered, and if he is a victim... we do not want to force it.

You're talking to me like i'm stupid and calling everyone in this thread fools who are trying to see where he is going with this and it is premature in my opinion. if you were reasonable, you would try to hear me out instead of ASSUMING I'm just some dumb chick on the internet, but if that's what YOU choose to do- it only serves to let me know what kind of person YOU are.

edit on 30-8-2011 by BlackSatinDancer because: (no reason given)

Truth bites Satin?
All this from one reply to a question YOU asked?
If you dont want an honest reply, then dont ask questions!
Let it go. I am. Ive said what I came to say..this person is lying IMO!!
Dont like that? Tough! If you want to believe them GO RIGHT AHEAD, its your choice and I am not stopping you.
And if you think being known as someone who passionately speaks their OWN truth born from living experience is a 'negative' thing..well..thats a waste of time as I embrace that fully.

I didnt argue with you about pragmatics because you had made a judgment that that was what I was doing and tried to corner me into some argument on that issue on your terms when I am *fully* capeable of choosing which arguments I enter into and on what terms thanks.

Btw I included myself in the 'people are stupid' quote..another assumption. I dont set myself apart as 'special' Im just human and know myself just as easily duped as the next guy and in this instance I am even stupider than most because I knew before responding that this kind of crap would eventuate and so..I am even more stupid for buying in with foreknowledge! Still..its also my choice to buy OUT...which I now do.


Oh..last words on the topic of assumptions.... I'm not a 'guy'. Thanks tho.


cheers.

edit on 30-8-2011 by Rosha because: typos

Although you may be entitled to call your own self stupid, you just openly inferred I was stupid in a very insulting way and I will report you for stuff like that in a heartbeat because I am hellbent on principle I must admit.

I'm not particularly cocky right now or anything and feel I should tell you first because I don't want to get too trigger happy.

I mean seriously... you just openly inferred I was stupid. You also talk like you have good tactics and things like that when you are openly inferring that I am stupid when I am certain I am not being stupid right now. I don't even think YOU believe that. I think you are just afraid. Well, I think your tactics are interestingly both narrow AND obtuse. How in the world did you pull that off?

That's as ironic as people who don't know much but try to figure everything out. Ah, fun times.

Originally posted by Rosha
All I can say to all of this is - I do not believe you. As a survivor of military and religous abuse, as an overcomer of trauma and torture myself, I am simply disgusted you (op) would seek to manipulate people in this fashion.
While my disgust will be irrelevent to you and in the big picture it doesn't particularly matter to me that you present these lies as truth and muddy waters unnecessarily to apease whatever borderline fantasy is in your head..what concerns me most is the consequence of people like you on legitmate victims of abuse.

edit on 29-8-2011 by Rosha because: (no reason given)

I have evidence from a doctor as to certain physical manifestations of damage, what do I hope to gain from any manipulation?
Also if you can come on here and claim to have been assaulted why should that gain any more credence than my claims.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by goldentorch

Originally posted by Doublemint
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Europe retaking America how? Europe never lost America.

True but now it's becoming obvious.

Not really. If anything Anti-EUism is on the rise. Especially now that people are learning about the secret bailouts to EU banks and how the Fed's QE is about shoring up the Euro..

I could easily see a chain of events causing a Russian/China-American Alliance invading the EU.

I haven't really noticed any serious backlash and the religious continue to try further their agenda which speaks to me of the continuing march of the Ancien Regime. Hope you're right, well apart from any war scenarios.