Battle for the California desert: Why is the government driving folks off their land?

I smell 1984. I think it is becoming more and more apparent that the general government does NOT have the same interests we do anymore. Know how to shut these people down? Stop paying your taxes. "Civil Disobedience" by Thoreau comes to mind.

Originally posted by TMG333
This is very sad, I've been living in the Antelope Valley for 20 years and I had no idea the local government was doing this to people here. There are hundreds of houses with no neighbors for half a mile or more like you see in the video... a lot of the surrounding houses are abandoned. They aren't bothering anyone, the neighbors aren't complaining. I think it's great that some people want to use solar power instead of connecting to the county's power grid. I know they have been expanding housing here. Los Angeles is too full, a lot of people that live up here drive an hour and a half south to work every day in Los Angeles because it's cheaper to live out here, and much quieter and more peaceful. So my guess is they just need more land to build more houses and businesses. I do not think it has anything to do with military or NASA and weather control. My dad works for the NASA Dryden Flight Research Center out here and is also retired Air Force, I suppose I could ask him, but it's all been quite normal here for years weather-wise. I don't think there's any testing going on here on their part. It's probably all got to do with future development. If they aren't going to take these people's land and build over it, they're probably planning to build around it and don't want it to be unsightly. Very sad and disappointing, I can't wait to move out of this desert.

so you are saying 1) you do live in the Antelope Valley 2)you have no knowledge on this kind of thing happening to you or anybody else
................hey folks why isnt this happening to everybody and only seems like its happening to those that look like they should clean up their properties......I am making an informed opinion only based on what this person seems to say and what I have viewed on the OP video

reply to post by mikeybiznaz


I don't live in one of these types of houses, there are plenty of nice community housing areas in the more heavily populated parts of town. But there are also several hundreds of houses on the outskirts that are like those you saw in the video. It's a big place, and some people just prefer to live out in the middle of nowhere and not have neighbors.

Originally posted by LightForce
I smell 1984. I think it is becoming more and more apparent that the general government does NOT have the same interests we do anymore. Know how to shut these people down? Stop paying your taxes. "Civil Disobedience" by Thoreau comes to mind.

Sure hope you have a lot of people doing this with out, or they are going to single you out....not that I disagree, its just a numbers game.

Hey people I am thinking this could be isolated to places that need to be kept up. But I still have an open mind. The Phonepolehenge place looks ok but thats at a glance. If it wasnt built to code, yada yada yada. My dad is a hoarder. That stuff can get out of control fast. My grandfathers' property nearly was condemed because of how my father was abusing his property. Every story has 2 sides

We had a guy near me who sued his neighbor over the smell from his hog barns.

This is out in the country by the way, farmland as far as you can see.

This pinhead buys a house in the country to get away from the city, then has a problem with the smells of country living. That in itself is stupid enough, but he got pretty damn far in court, almost to the point of an injunction against the pig farmer.

If you can't farm in the country, where can you?

As my drunken old next door neighbor used to say when people complained about his house, "Was it dark when you bought here?, because it looked the same".

If this was me having county officials trying to force me off my land it would not end well. I'm done letting my rights get trampled on, it stops now.

wow that is one shocking video.

whats the point of owning then. might as well rent if gov can just oust u at any time.

Most likely nest for those 'lone wolves'.

'Rugged individualists' are a clear threat to a government looking to impose socialism.

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actions speak louder than words...once was a guy that saw an add by a Lawyer. "you dont have to pay your taxes and I will show you how it works and represent you when the time comes" so to make long story short this guy was in the house when 40 federal marshals show up with 1 tax collector. Tax guy knocked on the door. Guy says "its my property and I will protect it." Sound of a shotgun chambering a round from inside the house. Tax guy walks back out to the marshals. The sound of 40 shotguns chambering rounds. Guy in house says I give up.
Actions speak louder than words

Originally posted by Domo1
I would not be at all surprised to learn some real estate investor is hoping to build some communities in the area hoping to attract the affluent and wants all the ne'er do wells kicked out first.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...were building permits required when those people built their homes?... i dont know but i got the impression that its an unincorporated part of the county... if so and the county wants to now incorporate it, the snooty poots dont want to grandfather-in what they consider to be junky places cuz no developer wants to build a fancy subdivision near "those kinds of places" and maybe thats why they're doing this strong-arm stuff...

Originally posted by moonweed
the only nuisance in this case, is the county...they seriously need to find a different way to bring in revenue, other than harass people with bull# complaints...it's not the residents fault the county and the state screwed themselves, financially

I agree with all of these quotes.

I don't think "eminent domain" is anything but legalized bullying and theft.

Originally posted by Morningglory

Originally posted by painterdude
Something tells me the homes in the video were constructed without permits too, and a cash strapped county may want to collect.

I wondered about the permits too but I don't think the county will have much luck collecting from these folks.

Seems to me they just want them out. The homes have to be torn down, the people can keep their land but never live on it. What kind of BS is that? I'm willing to bet the county's found a way to make some cash by forcing these people to sell out cheap.

Where I live in southern CO If we build we need a permit but we can live without any essential services. I've seen people do it they live in box cars, truck trailers, buses, campers no permits needed. This will probably last until some corporation/county official decides otherwise. So far mining operations are the only ones interested in my neck of the woods.They really don't care how the neighbors live.

Here's what one eccentric man hand built in the mountains near me. I assume he got building permits but I don't know how well it adheres to code. Especially the fire breathing dragon head.

Mr. Sam Bishop's Castle.
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Thought you all might like the sign at the entrance.

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There is another sign on the Bishop's castle site which is perhaps more relevant to this issue as described in the OP's video of state county pretexts for evicting tenants living an off-grid lifestyle of self-sufficiency:

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This is a trend that threatens all those who dream of escaping the rat race and owning their own piece of wilderness and living self-sufficiently and creatively. The bottom line is people who are self-sufficient do not provide the sort of profits that the rich and powerful expect of their drone worker bees.

reply to post by Golden Rule
That's a good one. Mr Bishop is known for his.....plain spoken way but then most folks around here are. He has lots of signs on the property. I didn't want to post anything too controversial. He's a good hardworking family man who deserves the lifestyle he's chosen without interference. Don't think he'd put up with too much anyway.

These guy should be running from pitch forks and torches! Know I know what motivates those who just start blasting at these gatherings. Step on the wrong foot and these guys may be in real trouble.

Its sad when the government has nothing better to do than harass people for living off the grid and supplying their own electricity with solar, and water from from wells. What ever happened to respect for a fellow human being.

Originally posted by mikeybiznaz
Hey people I am thinking this could be isolated to places that need to be kept up. But I still have an open mind. The Phonepolehenge place looks ok but thats at a glance. If it wasnt built to code, yada yada yada. My dad is a hoarder. That stuff can get out of control fast. My grandfathers' property nearly was condemed because of how my father was abusing his property. Every story has 2 sides

It's in the middle of nowhere though. Alot of these people seem to be living off the land and doing there own thing.

Why that would bother anyone is beyond me.

Unfortunately it will probably take one of these people tdefend themselves one day and be shot and killed.Only then will something be done about it.

Originally posted by mikeybiznaz
Hey people I am thinking this could be isolated to places that need to be kept up. But I still have an open mind. The Phonepolehenge place looks ok but thats at a glance. If it wasnt built to code, yada yada yada. My dad is a hoarder. That stuff can get out of control fast. My grandfathers' property nearly was condemed because of how my father was abusing his property. Every story has 2 sides

You're right every story does have two sides. Here in southern CO we have many such places that haven't been kept up. I'm talking about mine reclamation. If the company goes bankrupt it's almost impossible to get the area cleaned up. They leave deep open pits and nasty tailings piled up like mini mountains not to mention all the rusted out buildings and abandoned junk work vehicles.

We got lucky and the open pit mine near me was reclaimed but many down the road have not. My hubby worked for a company that was contracted by the state to close up abandoned mine entrances. These guys didn't even shut the door behind them when they left. But all you private citizens better keep that junky looking stuff out of sight.

People, I enjoyed your replies but I think we are missing something. This action is intentional and it has a reason behind it. What is needed is to plot the exact locations on a map of the homeowners that have lost or in the process of losing their property. These actions are intentional and it might have something to do with natural resources lying beneath there properties. I'm not a geologist but I smell natural gas or oil deposits.

reply to post by flycatch

thats not to bad an idea but i think the main point of trying to move them is to make a big old highway and solar power station but im sure if they find natural gass they will mine it and screw any one whos on top of it (seems to be the governments modus operandi

Not natural gas. Familiar with the area.There was a strong indication of a large petroleum deposit about ten years ago. I guess someone confirmed it.

Though it could just be that they were a bunch of butt-heads. County bureacrats can be like that, but it does seem like there's top level effort being into those non-eviction evictions.

This ATS Thread/story was posted on Rense today.

www.rense.com...

Interesting that it is noted twice on the story board list.