Soccer/Football: A Masonic Sport?

See also previous thread: Baseball: A Masonic Sport?

The author of "Freemasonry for Dummies", at his Blog claims that modern "Association Football" was established by Freemasons. He writes:

Association football was born in 1863 at the Freemason's Arms Pub near London's Covent Garden, at 81-82 Long Acre. Six meetings were held at the pub to decide on rules and structure, and the meetings ended with a split between the new Football Association ("soccer" is said to be a truncated version of "association") and the proponents of different rules that became rugby.

The Freemason's Arms pub was built in 1860 and is still open today. It began life as the Freemason's Tavern, which originally stood where the United Grand Lodge of England's New Connaught Rooms are today on Great Queen Street. London's Freemasons' Hall is literally right across the street.

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I am adding the layout Geometry of a soccer/football field here to ask whether any of you see any masonic symbolism in it or other aspects of the game:

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Thoughts?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Thoughts?

Being that I am a heathen American I find Soccer as intersting as a Masonic business meeting. The flip side is at least in my jursidiction I get to go downstairs and drink and run around like a hooligan.

I'm forever blowing bubbles / Pretty bubbles in the air / They fly so high / They reach the sky / And like my dreams they fade and die / Fortune's always hiding, I've looked everywhere / I'm forever blowing bubbles, pretty bubbles in the air. / United! United!

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Being that I am a heathen American

Mainland Americans need to get with the program and learn that its not "Football", Basketball or Baseball that rules the world...

At the turn of the 21st century, the game was played by over 250 million players in over 200 countries, making it the world's most popular sport

Most of the pitch markings and measurements weren't in place when the rules were first drawn up at the Freemasons Arms.

The centre circle, penalty area, D, six-yard box and corner quadrant were all later additions.

The centre circle and D are just for practical purposes and to make the rules easier to apply; you have to be 10-yards away from kick-off, so the centre circle creates a 10-yard radius. Similarly, you have to be 10-yards away when a penalty is taken, so the D is in place to prevent encroachment from other players.

If there was anything masonic about it, then surely they would have made the penalty spot 11-yards from goal ( 33 feet ), rather than 12-yards away ?

Its a good job it got regulated.

Games in England used to take place between villages with no fixed amount of players. There were no rules, each game used to end up with a few people being kicked to death which was seen as acceptable.

It was the worlds most violent game.

Now its full of over payed, over sexed prima donnas who would not last 5 minuets in a modern game of footy played between villages and pub teams! In amateur football there is still a lot of purposeful violence, and then there is the organised hooligan firms for each club.

Not too sure about the symbology but I bet that masons own most of the teams.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Mainland Americans need to get with the program and learn that its not "Football", Basketball or Baseball that rules the world...

Wait. Are you saying there are other places in the world besides the United States? Who would have thought that was even possible. Where have you been hiding these places from my television set?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Mainland Americans need to get with the program and learn that its not "Football", Basketball or Baseball that rules the world...

Almost all of the American invented sports have limited worldwide popularity, except for basketball.

Baseball is popular in some parts of Latin America and the Far East, but of little importance elsewhere.

Ice Hockey is limited to the minority of countries with a winter sports culture - despite the fact that you could play it in an arena in the desert.

Despite its popularity in the US, American football is about the least successful sporting export, with the exception of the Super Bowl, which gets quite large viewing figures throughout the world - although I'm not too sure how many of the viewers are just watching it because of the ''occasion''.

I get the impression that a lot of Americans are quite hostile towards football, because they know it's the all-encompassing world game, yet they feel suspicious about it because they don't quite ''get it''.

Even FIFA is full of jumped up old (polite word) fools.. Actually.. Yeah I see where you get your links to the masons..

Originally posted by EvanB
Its a good job it got regulated.

Games in England used to take place between villages with no fixed amount of players. There were no rules, each game used to end up with a few people being kicked to death which was seen as acceptable.

Interesting. I read somewhere that a field could be as big as the space between two villages, sometimes going on for miles and that a game could therefore take several days.

Now its full of over payed, over sexed prima donnas who would not last 5 minuets in a modern game of footy played between villages and pub teams! In amateur football there is still a lot of purposeful violence, and then there is the organised hooligan firms for each club.

True.

Not too sure about the symbology but I bet that masons own most of the teams

Doubt it.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Most of the pitch markings and measurements weren't in place when the rules were first drawn up at the Freemasons Arms.

I see. I didnt know that.

Id be curious to find out on what the numbers and markings are based.

Originally posted by Misterlondon
Even FIFA is full of jumped up old (polite word) fools.. Actually.. Yeah I see where you get your links to the masons..

Indeed.

I'm just trying to see the parallels, myself...

• If football were styled on Masonry, the goal on the east end of the field would be a little bigger than the one on the west end of the field. And you'd need a goal on the south end of the field even smaller just for good measure.
  
• If football were styled on Masonry, retired goalies would sit on the north sidelines shouting out plays that the players screwed up.
  
• If football were styled on Masonry, the kickoff would require one regular upright step leading up to it.

On the other hand,

• When duly assembled, a team is composed of eleven members who meet on a pitch or field representing the front lawn of King Solomon's temple…

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Misterlondon
Even FIFA is full of jumped up old (polite word) fools.. Actually.. Yeah I see where you get your links to the masons..

Indeed.

I'm just trying to see the parallels, myself...

• If football were styled on Masonry, the goal on the east end of the field would be a little bigger than the one on the west end of the field. And you'd need a goal on the south end of the field even smaller just for good measure.
  
• If football were styled on Masonry, retired goalies would sit on the north sidelines shouting out plays that the players screwed up.
  
• If football were styled on Masonry, the kickoff would require one regular upright step leading up to it.

On the other hand,

• When duly assembled, a team is composed of eleven members who meet on a pitch or field representing the front lawn of King Solomon's temple…

edit on 2011.8.26 by JoshNorton because: (no reason given)

Aha yes

22 players on the pitch, 22 being the master number

I don't really see the connection still...

So someone who writes a book links it with the worlds most popular sports.

Now I wonder why he would do that?

Always be suspicious of anyone trying to sell anything.

The universal oneness of being in the moment, the brotherhood and communal 'goal.'

The ability to be a part of it, and totally anonymous about it in public.

Satori, if done right...

But, historically connected?

Doubtful.

Manchester City, the only team to come from Manchester had masonic links in the 1960's through the chairman. Also the original black kit from the 1800' s had the maltese cross on as the badge. They later changed to the light blue colour which is also said to have masonic links. Nowadays though they are owned by a his highness Sheikh Mansour so I doubt there are any present day links.


Some more info on MCFC and the Masons
www.mqmagazine.co.uk... Masons achieve their goal

reply to post by Skyfloating


Football and masons i think not.
It's simple fooball was invented so men who dont know each other can talk in the pub.
There is no deeper meaning, it stops us standing alone drinkin in silence or worse grunting every now and then.
Try it,works all the time,walk in to a pub where you dont know anyone, while you get a drink just say to bloke next
to you,did you see the match last night?the ref was a wa##er and before you no it you've got a new mate.

Why is it Freemasons are never associated with anything good? It's always virgin sacrifice this, rule the world that, evil satanist all over..

But what I WON'T stand for, what I will never believe, accept, whatever .. is that we are in any way shape or form responsible for SOCCER.

Next they will blame us for other god awful boring sports like Basketball, Baseball or vollyball.

Freemasons invented Hockey. and Football, and I'll throw in Rugby.

I love the "world game", always have as a player,coach and viewer.

Growing up I read this book:
www.amazon.com...

Explaining how the game began as an end to a "battle" ...game kicking the head of the "losing" commander around. Truly disgusting, YES! However, take out the "hooliganism" and this game brings together the world!

The artistry of the players, particularly the women as shown in the Japanese victory is amazing.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

P.S.
If there is any Masonry involved, it goes to the ownership...see the Nights of Malta owning the various NFL teams.

reply to post by Rockpuck


too much pepper on urs thoughts