Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

reply to post by wcitizen


Are you sure about that? Lol. Have a good one man.

reply to post by Gorman91


Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will respect that we have differing opinions.

However, nothing you say or call me will sway me.

People in the U.K have been querying the cost of this war and all of a sudden there was a BIG push for Tripoli. Something doesn't add up, especially this BS from the BBC.

the kind of stuff ATS mods are pulling off to suppress dissent itself raises red flags about ATS . there have been allegations about ATS servers being military based in langley virginia , CIA headquarters .

ATS will lose credibility amongst its main users if it pulls tricks like the MSM.

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


That's how wars go. In fact, that's exactly how the American Revolution went.

Originally posted by kwakakev
I am with wcitizen on this one, the media is a tool of war. I have already made my other comments about this.

So explain as I requested. Media is a tool of war is not an explanation. Do you honestly believe the arcs have different dimensions regardless of the images being stretched? Are you denying that they are stretched? What about the palm tree? What about the missing decoration?

So what happened with 9/11? How did the US stick its nose into Vietnam? Most wars are started from deceit, subterfuge and opportunistic exploitation. Information management is a very important factor in today's connected world. The lies the British played in WW2 with Operation Overlord was a very important part to keep the Nazi tanks out of the landing and made a big difference to the outcome. The lies the media has played in Libya has resulted in a lot of defections and general confusion from the Libyan army.

Yes alot of wars are started with deception. WW2 when russia invaded Finland was also such a case. I never said you don't start wars with faking. I said you don't fake wars. If you need it explained you don't fake entire wars and large scale assaults such as this.

Originally posted by Gorman91

I don't really recall the toppling of Saddam's statue being called much of anything. i remember it being declared victory over Iraq, that's about it.

I do recall that, it was portraied as the "people of Iraq, putting their hands to the job", and what was being referred to or indirectly proclaimed, was that this was a "new revolution", similar to the "topping of the statue of Stalin and Lenin" in the former soviet Union. That is precisely what the footage was supposed to mean, and that is precisely the kind of meaning it had in the mind of most of those that looked at it.

Gadaffi has always been a loony toon. It didn't take his kids getting killed for that to happen. Most of his family has a long history of being off a bit.

I never known him, nor have had the urge to. But I doubt he is anymore a looney than King George of the US, who dreamt of being a War President. Pardon my french.

And killing someones children and family, is not acceptable ... doesn't matter what you proclaim them to be. You must understand, at some point, where you have taken the war. Try the notion As you do to others, so will be done unto you.

I suspect his calls for an African Union on a gold standard were at hand for his removal. The man had the potential to become Hitler of Africa in about a decade or two.

The supposed gold standard, would probably have allowed him to bypass the boycots. That is probably what they were meant for as well. He's been living under a "ban" longer than Iraq.

And don't come here and talk about "Hitlers" please, ad hitlerum is an argument for morons.

Originally posted by USAisdevil
the kind of stuff ATS mods are pulling off to suppress dissent itself raises red flags about ATS . there have been allegations about ATS servers being military based in langley virginia , CIA headquarters .

ATS will lose credibility amongst its main users if it pulls tricks like the MSM.

Instead of just spouting tin foil clichés why don't you present compelling evidence that this event was faked. Looking forward to it, really.

reply to post by cripmeister


check bbc coverage of the protests , oops its indian not libyan ,

secondly please provide conclusive evidence that the op has provided fake material .

thirdly the al jazeera video environment looks fake looking at the lighting and the background . considering qatar supports rebels and al jazeera is qatar govt propaganda , i question anything that al jazeera provides

reply to post by wcitizen


THANK YOU for bring this to light to everyone on ATS!

I knew it from the start this NATO intervention in support for the rebels is just a poor excuse to grab the oil in Libya.

I hope this makes it clear that we are engaged in another illegal war, folks.

reply to post by bjarneorn


Eh, I use Hitler when it's appropriate. Just because someone says using Hitler is wrong doesn't make it so. It neither invalidates a case nor makes it wrong. Before Hitler, they used someone else, and before that, something else, all the way back to the nephilim.

as far as his family goes, that's the thing. He indoctrinated many of them. Besides that fact, war is not fun. War is not good. In war, you annihilation your enemy without mercy. You don't give him the chance for revenge.

THANK YOU to the mods for the review and for moving this thread to the Deconstruct Disinformation forum.

Truly appreciated.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


But it's not. Because they don't have much oil, and they won'y gain nor lose any of it as a result of this event. Gadaf sold it for his money. And who ever gets in charge will sell it all the same.

good one mods , you are unbiased and i retract my previous statement.

, look at the al jazeera video background and lighting on sides ... clearly seems to indicate that al jazeera is possibly faking evidence

Originally posted by martinkb
OK - I don't get it. Why would they do that? There really isn't any good reason.

There is a lot of criticism of this war in UK. Persuading the public that the Libyans are happy to be bombed and invaded is necessary to reduce support for the critics and to get the public to believe in it. They have to hide the fact that this is an illegal war and there is mass murder of civilians going on.

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reply to post by Gorman91


I beg to differ. Libya has the largest reserves of oil in North Africa.

International oil companies are jockeying for advantage in the new Libya, buoyed by news that damage to the energy infrastructure appears to be slight. But they remain anxious about a lack of security and are holding off sending workers back into the country.
National Transitional Council officials report little damage to oil export terminals in eastern Libya (at Ras Lanuf and El Brega) and have appealed to employees to return to work. The two terminals handle the bulk of oil exports pumped from the Sirte basin. But the rebels have also begun to use, with help from Qatar, a terminal at Tobruk.
The NTC official in charge of oil and the economy, Ali Tarhouni, told Reuters news agency Thursday that he expects production can reach 500,000 to 600,000 barrels per day within a few weeks, and return to the prewar level of 1.6 million within a year.

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