UFO Stats

reply to post by TortoiseKweek


Oooohhhh, I getcha now. Yeah, we all totally missed the point. All we saw was a hoax. And to the OP, here's a few good crop circle websites that could help ya out, www.cropcircleconnector.com... & www.cropcircleresearch.com... & www.temporarytemples.co.uk...

reply to post by Misterlondon

now for someone who has been in "the game" for years, im surprised at your comments.. because anyone who has done even a little bit of research, will know that there are some crop circles that have appeared.. that it would be virtually impossible for folks stomping on boards (as you said in your other post) to create in such a short space of time..

Can you please give me a documented, and I mean DOCUMENTED, case where the time of a VERIFIED virgin field before and after a circle has been recorded is known with 100% certainty? Um, let me save you your only method of looking into this (google and whatever else the internet fills your brain with), you can't. Wonder why?

This is what I am talking about. Your "investigation", probably based on your time online "looking" into this, has caused you to loose you wits. Seriously, try this, turn on your common sense, reason and logic and see how far these "claims" get.

reply to post by MainLineThis


I am not talking about crop circles specifically.. Im saying that the cases they pick in UFO Hunters are from the biggest cases to look into: Rosewell, Redlesham Forest, Phoenix Lights, Tehran pilot incident, Cash/ Landrum case, some other 2004, 2008 cases sighted by many. I didnt know at first which are the 'more real' cases and I saw it frm UFO Hunters as they picked those cases. Any significant or widely discussed case they didn't cover? That's what Im saying, it guided me which ones to research, better than everyday videos posted on fan sites.

For crop circles, the Naska lines, some others, what makes you think they are man made? Did you find any document that says the tribes drew large eagle on the ground to worship some god of theirs. Did you find any evidence that these circles were made by humans and their purpose? Why when so many things are known about our ancestors somehow there is no explanation about who made them? Nothing right? I am not saying they are aliens' as there is no proof for that either. Im saying - dont call it a fact that they are man made... Some are, as some have revealed themselves, others remain UNKNOWN, not solved by your limited knowledge.

So before you hurry to attack, see who you're attacking. Im not a believer but I;m not ignorant to ridiculousness like maybe you are, it doesnt make you any smarter to deny something you have no proof of.

Originally posted by AQ6666
Does anyone know if there is an official count of UFO sightings and crop circles worldwide per year ?

I have the idea that the number of this kind of phenomena has been increasing year after year and would be interesting if we could have these stats.

Hi AQ6666,

Let's try to get this thread back to your question in your OP...

There is no "official count" of UFO sightings worldwide per year because there is no "official" body to receive reports worldwide.

As Kandinsky has mentioned, you could try to get relevant statistics from various UFO groups (but that will probably tell you more about how high a profile those groups were in each year rather than the number of sightings - e.g. the profile of some groups has increased, the profile of other groups has decreased).

You could also extract relevant numbers of sightings per year from various UFO databases (e.g. CUFOS's UFOCAT or Larry Hatch's *U* database) but each of those databases has its own issues. Generally, there are better as bibliographies and aids to finding material than a means of obtaining UFO statistics - although I'm tempted to see what results I get from doing some minor statistical tests using those databases anyway since it would now be fairly quick and easy to obtain numbers that would have taken ages when such statistical investigations were attempted in the 1960s on more limited (and at least equally flawed) data.

Alternatively, you could look at various national "official" statistics - e.g. the figures collated by the British Ministry of Defence or the US Air Force's Project Bluebook.

In relation to the former, I have previously collated some of the relevant figures (below) for numbers of UFO reports received by the British Ministry of Defence (based on numbers given to Parliament in discussions of UFOs reported in Hansard on various dates.

1959 : 22 reports
1960 : 31 reports
1961 : 71 reports
1962 : 46 reports
1963 : 51 reports
1964 : 74 reports
1965 : 56 reports
1966 : 95 reports
1967 : 362 reports
1968 : 280 reports
1969 : 228 reports
1970 : 181 reports
1971 : 379 reports
1972 : 201 reports
...
1980 : 350 reports
1981 : 600 reports
1982 : 250 reports
1983 : 390 reports
...
1996 : 609 reports
1997 : 425 reports
1998 : 193 reports
1999 : 229 reports
2000 : 210 reports
...

In relation to the US Air Force's Project Bluebook, I'm not sure the figures have already been collated - but I can think of at least one way that the relevant numbers could be collated if you are prepared to put in the necessary work (which would probably take an hour or two). Let me know if you want to undertake that exercise. (I might well do it myself at some point now that I've thought up a method for getting the relevant numbers - but this is not at the top of my list of priorities...).

Please report back here with any sources of statistics that you find.

All the best,

Isaac

reply to post by Imtor


Your right. Having looked into this subject personally and not just a couch potato or internet geek, talked with (and had lunch with) astronauts (including having a yearly picnic with one that has walked on the moon), looked into crop circles, cattle mutilations, you name it. I have had a blessed life and it has let me pursue such nonsense. And you know what I have found EVERY time? That the things you are currently reading about are polluted by ignorance and those that swallow it then become "useful idiots".

There has not been one case that I have personally looked into where I didn't walk away DUMBFOUNDED at what the majority of people now days are saying about them.

Let me ask you, internet warrior, when was the last time you stood in the middle of a crop circle and grabbed a stalk or two to give 'em a bend? When was the last time you spoke with someone PERSONALLY from some of the cases that you say interest you? Lemme guess.....never. Gee, I guess you have to base your opinion on your meager education and understanding of science and math, backed up by some stupid youtube video of the subject matter that interests you. Good for you little buddy.

But when your actually talking to some of the people involved with the cases you are enamored with, let e just say you will walk away a little upset, maybe even embarrassed, at how you even gave some of these morons the time of day.

The only case that I wont say that about (and that I looked into extensively) was Kecksburg. That case led me to Washington state and I came to a pretty interesting conclusion about that event.

But back on topic, OP, I don't know if you are doing yourself any favors by trying to link UFO reports with crop circles. Sure, I can make you a spreadsheet or whatever you think you need to fill you quest for the truth, but I beg you to keep your wits about you and not to go down the road of ignorance that has kept this subject in the dark for so many decades.

reply to post by MainLineThis


No, I havent talked to any witnesses in person like the majority here. Crops circles are not something I have looked into much, but I have read or watched about them -an argument that those who puposly do the circles always leave imperfection or traces of human touch, others are too perfectly made. Whatever you say does not matter as who made crop circles cannot be prove. It's funny you refuse to accept them as UNKNOWN - meaning they could be made by humans, could be not

Is this your same opinion about UFOs? That they are absolutely not anything other than humans - how the # do you know that Scrudge? The same answer - some are, some could be, some could be not, you can't say they are not without knowing, you cant say that.

I have studied Astronomy in School and uni, though I dont have a degree as I had to change it. I know perfectly well of the many objects that fly into space and enter the atomsphere if you think im just another clueless person with the only idea that light in the sky is 'a UFO' , I know when Jupiter appears in ANY part of the year, many people think of Venus but that's because they dont usually read it is Jupiter.

I also recognize every star and constellation from those that are with more visible stars to know not only when an object is a star, but I know whoch star that is - something not required to know, but from too much observation I learned it.

And i know for years Astronomers (aka Astrophysicists) and talk to them, last year went to our National observatory and I know their stance on aliens: they have never landed. But I said: don't be so sure about it.

So Im a lot into astronomy to be taught how special you are by talking to astronauts. What you believe them their opinion is GODLIKE? For things you aren't sure like crop circles including cattle mutilation don't make any claims. Do I make any claims they are alien made? NO. I just say unknown, some are man made and it was repoted, others remain unknown, because there is no proven explanation. Do you say they are unknown ? No you keep on saying you know what they are with no proof, your are the ignorant one.

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Thank you

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by AQ6666

 

You could try looking at the UFO sighting databases like NUFORC. The guy who runs it, Peter Davenport, has the data categorised into day, month, year and shape. MUFON is another option. There's also a few links to UFO statistics here.

Let me know how you get on.

Thank You. This may help to reach the goal of this thread. My intention was not to prove or deny UFO, just to check if the number of reported UFO sightings has been increasing over the years or not, so that we can build a graphic with this data. Maybe then we can reach some conclusions.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


A BIG THANK YOU ...Also Thx to the forum moderator .....this is the kind of data I`m looking for ....it`s a pity that there isn`t an "official" body to receive reports worldwide

reply to post by TortoiseKweek


OMG You poor thing.

You just posted a well known HOAX

Oh....baby.

Originally posted by lazernation

Originally posted by RedParrotHead
reply to post by AQ6666

 

Here you go...no need to thank me

Unidentified flying objects = Countless
Alien space craft = 0
Crop circles = many
Man made crop circles = all

Moronic replies to genuine, relevant questions on ATS = thousands

There are countless proven hoaxes and misidentification for UFOs also crop circle makers have come forward many times. So how is my assessment moronic? When you have irrefutable prove of either - let me know.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TortoiseKweek

 

OMG You poor thing.

You just posted a well known HOAX

Oh....baby.

Who proved it a hoax? Scientists or "armchair scientists"?

I am not agreeing or disagreeing if it is real or not. I just strongly feel that we also need to know which "they" are debunking any sightings or videos of the paranormal or unknown.

Nice post.

Yes the sightings are increasing.

In my opinion it is one of a couple things.

1. The aliens are appearing more often as disclosure is getting closer
2. people are looking up more often due to the increase in attention these reports are getting
3. there has alway been this many sightings, just more people are coming forward and reporting them now


Anyways, I believe that aliens are visiting and however many sightings there are will not change that.

I do however believe that even as many sightings are reported, many more are left un-reported.

UFO stats...



Roswell 24/35 276yds:2td 1int Rendlesham 16/27 172yds:1td 3int
Shagg-Harbor 23att 104yds 1td: 2rec 13yds 1td Phoenix-Lights 19att 67yds:2fum
Kecksburg 7rec 93yds 1td B.B. Hill 5rec 58yds 1td

QUANTITY of reports of this nature is not as helpful as QUALITY of a report. The MAJORITY of reports detailing a persons opinion thaty they have seen either a TRUE EXRATERESTRIAL CRAFT....or even of less value...a CROP CIRCLE.....are FALSE, FABRICATED, MISIDENTIFIED or just plain....gosip.

I KNOW E.T. to be a reality but I also KNOW....that people like to make up stories for a variaty of reasons....and that many of these claims are either just that....a story....or lie....or misidentification.....or fear generated gosip....or they might have even CONVINCED THEMSELVES that they have actually seen or encountered the real thing.

In reality....real sightings or encounters are VERY RARE.....and are by treaty....supposed to be such. Crop circles....the majority...VAST MAJORITY OF....are just the product of people who have good geometry skills. True crop circles....those created by an Alien interaction.....are rare and usually very simple in design.

The real deals are usually just a relativly small circular area....and NOT the giant complex geometric patterns such as the one pictured on a Led Zepplin album cover....a record that was released AFTER John Bohnem had passed away. These real deal circles have also been observed on the surface of water or ocean....and a famous case involved film of a UFO...saucer type...hovering over a Lagoon in Australia....pictures and film was taken....and after that craft left....the water continued to swirl for a VERY LONG PERIOD....I think days....without explaination. Split Infinity

True that most UFO reports are fake and most crop circles are made by man, but if indeed there has been an increase of sightings worldwide, these stats may mean that either people is getting more interested in these matters or there are also more and more unexplained phenomena of this kind and if this is true it may mean that people is getting more aware of this possibility. So I think stats do matter and can help a lot.

The creation of an official entity to report UFO sightings and Crop Circles Worldwide would be great I think.

reply to post by AQ6666
It's a real pain in the ass regarding the stats. Sites like NUFORC and MUFON contain a lot of signal and an unknown amount of noise. Peter Davenport regularly complains that his hotline gets more prank calls, offensive calls or plain stupid calls than real reports. That has to play a big part in the reports people post online. He makes a good effort to get rid of the crap and ID the hoaxes, but how many hours are there in the day?

With the internet, we can also see at what point some people are prepared to call something a UFO. Lights over airports! Lights over military bases! Venus etc. Add to that the noisy guys we have on ATS who believe that ruling anything out is 'arrogant' or 'close-minded.' These people will be making reports and screwing the data. Not to mention the thousands of people who believe in this wacky soap opera of reptiles, nordics, blues, greys and who are friends with who. All of them making reports.

It's become sub-cultural to fantasise and to hoax. These aspects have always been with us, but I think it's taken off now the Internet lets us share in the insanity. Bob Gribble's 70s NUFORC hotline didn't get the idiots, he had Air Traffic controllers, police and military personnel calling. The lunatic fringe has effectively poisoned the statistical well.

reply to post by Kandinsky


You`r probably right. Not an easy job to do at all ! there are people that can even report a fly as an UFO sighting

I'm not sure if there's one single counting house for UFO sightings. I think there's too many actually, it's kind of chaotic. I'll bet hundreds aren't reported and some are reported too many times leading to a lot of confusion.

I do often wonder if TPTB know exactly how many there are though. What I mean is- if they have the technology these days to know where every bolt of lightning strikes the ground, you'd think (quite possibly) they might also now have tools to know when and where there's an appearance of an anomalous object, (even the ones that can't be seen). Top secret government worldwide UFO tracking equipment. Hell, yeah! Why not?

reply to post by Misterlondon

will know that there are some crop circles that have appeared.. that it would be virtually impossible for folks stomping on boards (as you said in your other post) to create in such a short space of time..

sorry but this just shows how gullible you are. Why do you think they were made in a short space of time? because someone else said so and you instantly believe them.

People were claiming the jelly fish crop circle appeared overnight until photos emerged of it being done over days in stages. Learn & think!