CIA Teaches Spy Tricks to NYPD: (Problem-they use them outside of NYC!)

In New Brunswick, N.J., a building superintendent opened the door to apartment No. 1076 one balmy Tuesday and discovered an alarming scene: terrorist literature strewn about the table and computer and surveillance equipment set up in the next room.

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The panicked superintendent dialed 911, sending police and the FBI rushing to the building near Rutgers University on the afternoon of June 2, 2009. What they found in that first-floor apartment, however, was not a terrorist hideout but a command center set up by a Secret Team of New York Police Department.

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From that apartment, about an hour outside the department's jurisdiction, the NYPD had been staging undercover operations and conducting surveillance throughout New Jersey. Neither the FBI nor the local police had any idea.

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the NYPD has become one of the country's most aggressive domestic intelligence agencies. A months-long investigation by The Associated Press has revealed that the NYPD operates far outside its borders and targets ethnic communities in ways that would run afoul of civil liberties rules if practiced by the federal government. And it does so with unprecedented help from the CIA in a partnership that has blurred the bright line between foreign and domestic spying.

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The department has dispatched teams of undercover officers, known as "rakers," into minority neighborhoods as part of a human mapping program, according to officials directly involved in the program. They've monitored daily life in bookstores, bars, cafes and nightclubs. Police have also used informants, known as "mosque crawlers," to monitor sermons, even when there's no evidence of wrongdoing. NYPD officials have scrutinized imams and gathered intelligence on cab drivers and food cart vendors, jobs often done by Muslims. Many of these operations were built with help from the CIA, which is prohibited from spying on Americans but was instrumental in transforming the NYPD's intelligence unit.

Source: www.foxnews.com...

Now, Don't get me wrong. I support the War on Terrorism-especially US based efforts. However, I do have a problem with the NYPD operating outside it's LEGAL jurisdicition. Period. They are breaking the law-IMO.

You mean to tell us that over 10 years since 9/11 the intelligence community and law makers haven't got something on paper that makes these type of operations LEGAL? That is dumb on our part. Legislation would sail through congress for this-IMO.

I don't know. I am sure they are doing a good job at what they are doing-hence no major attacks on NYC again but, we need to stay within the bounds of OUR laws. They can bend the law-but not break it.

Thoughts?

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A serious question; would you mind if the actions of the NYPD prevented a terrorist attack, possibly saving the lives of thousands while it was operating outside it's legal jurisdiction?

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Me? No. But, it doesn't make it right.. by our laws.

Can't they just amend the law to make it legal?

That is just "failing to plan accordingly"-IMO.

Would you want a rogue group of cops operating in your area? Why not just make it legal?

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Don't get me wrong, I completely agree.

Just wanted to put the question out there and hear your response

the CIA are banned from working inside the country so they basically get a lot of NYPD cops to do their work, probably is legal but a fart from a gnat in china would push them over the edge legally i bet

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Correct on the CIA and what about the NYPD? They also have restrictions.

That's what I am saying. Congress needs to admend or make new laws to cover this activity.

Maybe not for the CIA but for the local police.

There is the FBI for these type of issues and intel gathering. Why did they get bypassed?

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honestly, i'm surprised that someone who follows the news would even lift an eyebrow about this. some people in law enforcement take great liberties of all sorts. it seems as if this is encouraged by those in charge. and when things do go horribly wrong those with a badge don't seem to be heavily penalized, if we are to believe what we read in news reports.

we have an incredible amount of layers of hired muscle in America. they enjoy a completely different set of privileges than people who make their paychecks as civilians. even then, there are civilians who are used or encouraged by those in law enforcement. paid informants. jailhouse snitches. private investigators. bounty hunters.

one way or another it seems like the different entities of law enforcement do as they see fit to achieve their goals. lines get blurred, rights get trampled on, doors get kicked in. i don't know if it's always been this way. for all i know maybe it used to be worse. i do know i'm uncomfortable being aware of it.

i have the feeling if the average citizen was shown 1/2 of what law enforcement and politicians really do, the things that don't get talked about in mixed company or at dinner tables, they would pack up and head for the border.

This is a clear breach and abuse of police power and CIA mandate. The part that really bothers me is this:

Neither the city council, which finances the department, nor the federal government, which contributes hundreds of millions of dollars each year, is told exactly what's going on.

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There is no local accountability or oversight from the organizations and municipalities responsible for funding and reviewing the activities of these operators. Typical CIA tactic, using another agency's funding and manpower to sneak around their charter restrictions. This kind of fly-by-night under-the-radar operation harkens back to the Iran-Contra, Freeway Ricky Ross debacles of the late 80s. When you give people this much power and so little supervision, they invariably take advantage of it for their own personal gain. I can almost promise it will end badly.

Where is the DHS in all of this? I thought they were the agency tasked with protecting the Motherland. I personally think the DHS should be disbanded. We didn't need them to begin with, and they haven't really done anything but add to the deficit since they got started. The FBI needs to step up and fulfill its role as domestic security provider. They can start by calling the CIA and the NYPD on the carpet and taking over their rightful jurisdiction.