Regardless of your opinions of 9/11 , you need to read this.

well, i can tell you this, there is so much gained through this 9/11 event that it's like trying to name all the drops of water in a lake....if i were to try to take over the world what would i do? i'd first take the advice of herman goerring,

quotes.liberty-tree.ca...

""Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

and since the protocols agree with it, it must be right......
misclassified.cz.cc...

The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces - are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers.

and of course, pnac agrees with it totally.....

www.newamericancentury.org...

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future; • we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values; • we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; • we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

and then, i'd have to explain to my fellow pnac members that we need a new pearl harbor event to get this thing going.....

www.newamericancentury.org...

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like A NEW PEARL HARBOR.

then, when i've completed the new pearl harbor event, i shall make sure some of the news broadcasters call it a new pearl harbor event......

Originally posted by tpg65
In the 10 years since 9/11 , how many people have been brought to trial for the acts of terrorism ?

Zero ?

Don't you find that a little strange, people ?

edit on 29/05/2011 by tpg65 because: (no reason given)

www.lawandsecurity.org...(Updated%20April%202011).pdf

reply to post by hooper

Nah , not buying it . All that shows is a link to endless PDF's .

It doesn't even say what the charges were

Originally posted by tpg65
reply to post by hooper

 

Nah , not buying it . All that shows is a link to endless PDF's .

It doesn't even say what the charges were

Defendants charged with terrorism or national security crimes: 450 Cases resolved: 279 Convictions: 230 (82%) Guilty by Trial: 84
Acquittal on All Counts: 7
Innocent by Reason of Insanity: 1
Mistrial: 1
Charges Dropped by Prosecution: 26
Charges Dismissed by Judge: 8
Charges Dismissed by Plea: 1
Guilty Verdicts Vacated: 5
Average Sentence: 15.3 years
Terrorism/National Security: Jihadi-related Crimes3
Defendants charged: 308 Resolved cases: 200
Convictions: 174 (87%) Acquittals: 7
Mistrial: 1
Charges Dropped: 13
Guilty Verdicts Vacated: 5
Avg. Sentence: 14 years
1

So much for your search for facts. NYU School of Law. Look it up. All facts. So how many people have been charged with crimes of terrorism? 450.

Federal Court. The trial dockets are searchable. If you're really looking for facts. I doubt it.

reply to post by tpg65

Zacarias Moussaoui has often been referred to as "the 20th hijacker" but at the time of the 11 September 2001 attacks he had already been arrested in the US.

news.bbc.co.uk...

16. From in or about 1989 until the date of the filing of this Indictment, in the Eastern District of Virginia, the Southern District of New York, and elsewhere, the defendant, ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI, a/k/a "Shaqil," a/k/a "Abu Khalid al Sahrawi," with other members and associates of al Qaeda and others known and unknown to the Grand Jury, unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly combined, conspired, confederated and agreed to kill and maim persons within the United States, and to create a substantial risk of serious bodily injury to other persons by destroying and damaging structures, conveyances, and other real and personal property within the United States, in violation of the laws of States and the United States, in circumstances involving conduct transcending national boundaries, and in which facilities of interstate and foreign commerce were used in furtherance of the offense, the offense obstructed, delayed, and affected interstate and foreign commerce, the victim was the United States Government, members of the uniformed services, and officials, officers, employees, and agents of the governmental branches, departments, and agencies of the United States, and the structures, conveyances, and other real and personal property were, in whole or in part, owned, possessed, and leased to the United States and its departments and agencies, resulting in the deaths of thousands of persons on September 11, 2001

www.justice.gov...

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

And that is why our constitution gives us the right to have an armed revolution if we think our government has been comprised.

I am a firm believer that this revolution will need to be non violent to succeed.

Well, that would be swell.. but the founding fathers obviously felt that maybe a bit more would be needed.

And isn't it just a wee bit suspicious how they keep trying to get us to give up our guns??

Oh mom accidentally shot Jonnie, home from college unexpectedly in the middle of the nite.. little billy shot his 2 year old brother while playing with daddys unsecured guns... poor uncle bob shot in the head while cleaning what he thought was an unloaded gun... then all these whackos out shooting up malls and college campuses... Oh don't we hear about those horrible tragedies in ever so gruesome detail?? (but strangely, never about all the times when a gun saved a home owners life, or the life of his family or saved someone from being mugged and maybe murdered??)

And of course there is always the implication that guns are soo unsafe they shouldn't be allowed in private homes or citizen's hands. But we Americans are quite fond of our guns, and aren't falling for it, unlike the Australians who rolled over and gave up their guns after only one university shooting.

Even that Japanese Admiral admitted they never considered trying to invade mainland America, because he was pretty sure they would "find a rifle behind every blade of grass". And I do assure you, TPTB are well aware of what would happen if they tried to just take over this country by force. They might succeed, but they'd need off shore troops and be willing to lose a lot of people. Not that they really care. But the truth is, they aren't at all sure they would succeed, we Americans being as spunky and creative as we are.

So they still have to be sneaky and do things like Pearl Harbor and 9-11 to get us afraid and doing what they want, like get involved in WWII and pass the patriot bill for example.

Originally posted by tpg65
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Please please keep to the ethos of the OP . I understand your opinion ,but this thread is going to remain impartial and objective.

I say what I see. Objectivity is impossible since everything said and written had to go thru the posters head. Thereby becoming only an opinion of said data. Which by it's very nature is subjective, eh?

does no one have anything to say about my post at the top of this page?

reply to post by patternfinder


Apple plus orange does not equal banana despite your stringing those statements together. Not to mention, you use Goering's statement and PNAC's document, not quite comprehending that they contradict each other in many respects.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by patternfinder

 

Apple plus orange does not equal banana despite your stringing those statements together. Not to mention, you use Goering's statement and PNAC's document, not quite comprehending that they contradict each other in many respects.

please explain how they contradict each other....

Originally posted by tpg65
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Wow , thank you . That is amazing and well worth discussing .
Can any of it be proven/disproven ?

Regards.

What would prove or disprove this?

Do I know any eye witnesses, you mean? Or have a picture I took with my own camera from the scene? (I live in Wash. State, btw) A mysterious video tape sent to me in an unmarked package?? I kinda think you have to go with the source material and do some digging for yourself for other sources to cross check against and then decide for yourself. I'm not anywhere near NY, so don't ask me to go dig thru the newpaper achives to find the paper original of that article to make sure it wasn't 'falsified'.
So really, what else could prove or disprove this kind of thing?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Well, part of why building 7 had to be taken down by them was that the records for just how much gold and who's gold it was, was stored there.

So you got a building full of records you don't want anyone to see, what sounds like a better option - let it burn to a crisp or make it collapse, put out the fires and let thousands of strangers grope around in the remains for weeks? I would let it burn to a crisp.

It wasn't going to burn enough.. and much of the data was stored in computers, inaccessable to the casual observer, AND far more likely to be destroyed in a collapse than any paper trail.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by Yankee451
The evidence I've seen, as shown in other posts, has led me to believe the media was and are an integral part in the 911 operation.

And you couldn't resist the continued spamming of the tv fakery/cgi hoax, hmm? There is no evidence. If there were, we all would be supporting it in some way or another. The tv fakery/cgi garbage is a proven HOAX. That's why those threads are in the HOAX bin. Get it?

Now, for the love of Jesus Christ, stop spamming a known and proven HOAX. Move on and do something constructive with yourself. Everybody knows it's a HOAX and nobody is falling for it.

Hello BoneZ.

Thanks for proving my point.

You can whine all you want to the Mods to keep my threads closed down, but the more you cry, the more you prove me right.

The reason you and this forum are so adamant against other folks reading about no planes, is because it's true, not because it's a hoax.

You're showing your true colors man, you should be ashamed.

reply to post by DragonriderGal

Well, that would be swell.. but the founding fathers obviously felt that maybe a bit more would be needed.

And isn't it just a wee bit suspicious how they keep trying to get us to give up our guns??

No one's coming after your guns.

Your guns won't do much against an Apache anyway.

Provocateurs instigate violence so the government will be able to crack down on it.

A violent revolution will only ensure the most violent person will win.

Time for a new paradigm.

So OP, how's it going so far...can you give an update?

reply to post by hooper

You mean like this "fact": Fred F. Fielding worked for John Dean as White House counsel to Nixon -- "Deep Throat" of Watergate fame, avoided prison time. Better check on that one.

Okay. You might want to do a cursory check as well. Granted this is just wiki but it makes the point...

Fielding served as Associate Counsel for President Richard Nixon from 1970 to 1972, where he was the deputy to John Dean during the Watergate scandal

First fact-check.

In April 2003, a team of journalism students taught by William Gaines conducted a detailed review of source materials, leading them to conclude that Fielding was Deep Throat, the unnamed source for articles written by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein.[11] Many years previously, former White House Chief of Staff for Richard Nixon, H. R. Haldeman, also concluded that Fielding was Deep Throat.[citation needed]

That speculation ended after former top Federal Bureau of Investigation official W. Mark Felt announced in May 2005 that he was the mysterious Watergate informant, as later confirmed by Woodward, Bernstein and Executive Editor Ben Bradlee in a statement released through The Washington Post.[citation needed]

Second fact...sort of, but it wasn't an accusation that came out of left field.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Well, that would be swell.. but the founding fathers obviously felt that maybe a bit more would be needed.

And isn't it just a wee bit suspicious how they keep trying to get us to give up our guns??

No one's coming after your guns.

Your guns won't do much against an Apache anyway.

Provocateurs instigate violence so the government will be able to crack down on it.

A violent revolution will only ensure the most violent person will win.

Time for a new paradigm.

I'm not worried about apaches. I wouldn't think they'd be stupid enough to fall for the corrupted government's line anyway!

And yah, the Illuminati really hope you'll keep on believing that only the most violent will win in a violent conflict. They so don't want us really deciding we've had enough and coming after them with everything we've got or can create. They've learned to never ever underestimate the ability of humanity to get justice for wrongs done them. And boy, 9-11 was a serious wrong done us by them, and that's why they so don't want us finding out and 'proving' the truth of what happened that day.

That's why all the religions they've created, christianity included, preach love and non-violence, but never anger cuz it's the DEVIL'S tool... They very much intend that we be defanged and declawed and feel too guilty to admit to and express an anger we have every right to feel, considering the way they've treated us across the ages.

But from what I am seeing, we won't have to go that far. The ex Jewish leadership aka NWO bunch aka Illuminati aka leadership of the Freemasons, and a bunch of other high level and mostly covert things are going to have their 'tribulation' as described by Revelations starting in 2012. They know it's coming and they are trying to get us to think it's for all of us, but it isn't. It is THEIR problem, and we just need to stay out of the way. Then we can get our government back on track and things will get so very much better.

Originally posted by Yankee451
So OP, how's it going so far...can you give an update?

He appears to be gone for the moment.

top of the south tower leans (starts falling) to around a 20 degree angle, then immediately halts the lean and starts falling at free fall.....one of the laws of physics states that when an object is in motion it will stay in that motion until something stops it....ie friction or another object....the lean was stopped due to a downward momentum of it's support....the lean towards one side means that the other side of the tower was experiencing less weight on it than the side that it was leaning toward....the side that the top of the tower was leaning towards was already collapsing and would have collapsed faster than the opposite side, which would have caused the top to continue leaning and ultimately falling off the side of the building....sure the floors of a building can do a pancake collapse, but, steel vertical i beams can't pancake.....

this is what would happen if it didn't have some kind of system to weaken all of the major connecting points in the building......
www.myspace.com...




the tower would have fallen in fits and jerks and still would have only been a partial collapse......


plus, here's george bush admitting there was explosives used......





yes george, this is truly valuable information......

reply to post by patternfinder


Man...I still break out in a rash when I hear that putz speak.