Our fore fathers were a tougher breed and took no crap.

Originally posted by Doublemint...

We are losing, we haven't lost.

And this is only because we haven't even gotten started.

reply to post by BeyondPerception


thats my point premature action will screw everything up. I think we to need be patcient and let the enemy attack you first.

reply to post by daikaiju


I agree with what you are saying, however like people have said, it is about spirit, live free, no one can give you rights. You always have been, you are and you always will be , well until you die anyway lol, no one is above you or below you, we all just are.

Problem is that the system is self perpetuating, global mass non compliance is the answer, problem is that will never happen as you know, because we all use and need the system every day, i am trying to break away as far as i am able to, no tv, dont use the bank for everything, just when i have no choice, trying to grow my own food as much as possible.

There are that many things that are here to occupy us all, and the children with games ect, that each person when not at work are up to their eyeballs in other stuff, i think this is by design rather than some accident, if we are busy, we are less likely to take the time to think about what we are doing and just continue on doing as it were.

Problem is all of these things that occupy us are seen as progress, i think it is quite the opposite, now if we could take the system and change it a little, oh hold on i am going off into dreamworld again, no point in going there, A bird does what it wants when it want's, does not pay tax to anyone, does not need tv or anyone telling it what it should or may like to do, think or anything else, it just is. There are many more examples like this.

What do we do? we have to control and manipulate everything, every resource and every system and are we better off than the birds,bees or butterflies? well they do not need money or any system do they, they just are and nature takes care of the rest.

I am sure i am going to get hammered for saying some of these things, but the fact is these things are and yes we are different to these creatures by design, but i am sure the majority of people will see the point i am making without getting into a debate over how we are better because of . . . . i know the argument's, i just do not agree with all of them.

The fact we have a collective group of people here debating lots of very diverse issues, that gives us hope that things can and will change for the better eventually, however like has already been stated so many people are blissfully unaware or dont want to or are unable to accept the reality of what each of us are living that they will never wake up, this allows for manipulation, which governments are very good at changing, public opinion anyone.

I do not think we will ever reach the utopia of everyone in each country having enough until this present system is kicked into touch and we adopt some good morals , but there we then have another debate dont we lol, so i think i will just leave this 600 word reply that was meant to be 1 paragraph there.

Take care

Originally posted by daikaiju
I sit here watching out country come close to default, taxes getting cut for the rich yet the middle class and the poor get the shaft and wonder if what would have happened would have occurred 200 years ago.
People back then would do more than just write to their local politician, they would gather arms and kick butt.

I think people nowadays are too scared to rise up like this and have become too comfortable with what they have.

What do you guys think, is it time to rise up? Regardless of the consequences?

The issue is not that people are scared, it's that don't even know what is actually happening.

But, this is changing, fortunately. It's just going to take some time for people to wake up.

The water will come to a boil, eventually.

Originally posted by Doublemint
reply to post by BeyondPerception

 

thats my point premature action will screw everything up. I think we to need be patcient and let the enemy attack you first.

The enemy has been attacking us in the shadows. But maybe you haven't noticed. And that's okay. You're not alone. It takes time for such a thing to be understood.

And we are patient. We just have to wait until everyone is awake before taking any real action.

Until everyone is onboard, with a certain goal in mind, this boat goes nowhere. Otherwise, you don't gain much ground.

What's happening in Libya, is not a fantasy for America. It's happened before, and can happen again. If we're lucky, we won't have to take it that far. But, until we all actually begin working towards a common goal, it's difficult to determine how much effort is actually going to be necessary to meet it.

could discussing this matter be considered treason? or organized crime?or even some sort of unlawful conspiracy?Everything has ears nowadays,or eyes in this case.

Originally posted by VicDiaz89
could discussing this matter be considered treason? or organized crime?or even some sort of unlawful conspiracy?Everything has ears nowadays,or eyes in this case.

No one said anything about committing treason, crime, or anything unlawful.

Well back then society hasn`t been brainwashed to believe rioters=terrorists, and they have not been brainwashed to identify themselves with corporations or/and the institutions rather than the people...
Now evil and ignorance are too powerful, and those who see the truth but do nothing are not at fault: There`s nothing they could do.

Originally posted by daikaiju
reply to post by Doublemint

 

It seem that since we have become more passive, we are losing our rights slowly bit by bit.

Do you not think so?

Two of the gravest general dangers to survival are the desire for comfort and a passive outlook. -- U.S. Army Ranger Handbook