Sexual Orientation Change Efforts Do Not Lead to Increased Suicide Attempts

reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33


It doesn't matter. They are wrong.
People should have liberty and freedom for all. To try and tell people who they should love and who to sleep with is overstepping bounds and part of a Nazi flavored New World Order where tolerance is outlawed and the rules of one or two megalomaniacs are put into effect. And if you are going by the Church's doctrine and dogma aren't they the same fellows just caught buggering little boys?

reply to post by newcovenant


Just because a handful of preists are caught molesting little boys does not mean that the church as a whole is guilty. Thats like saying all mexicans are rapists and murders because of the gangs. Its steryotyping and its wrong.

Originally posted by spw184
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Just because a handful of preists are caught molesting little boys does not mean that the church as a whole is guilty. Thats like saying all mexicans are rapists and murders because of the gangs. Its steryotyping and its wrong.

Right, and you are not stereo-typing homosexuals?
For the life of me I don't know why sexual orientation is anyone's business.

The only exception might be when helpless children are involved. THAT IS BEYOND THE PALE.
And I am sure if there is a hell it is reserved for those animals who would prey on them.

reply to post by newcovenant


lol, how am i sterotyping homosexuals? and when would small helpless children be invlovled?

Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Although accusations of harm are often made regarding Sexual Orientation Change Efforts (SOCE), the American Psychological Association admits that the research to date does not support such claims (APA, 2009). Despite the lack of research to support claims of harm, those claims continue to be made, including claims that SOCE actually contribute to a greater risk of suicide. What exactly does the research reveal? This summary of the research, taken from Whitehead (2010), reveals that providing psychological care to persons with unwanted homosexual thoughts and feelings does not increase a client’s suicide risk.

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So it's bunk that Gay Reparative Therapy causes suicide. Guess you'll have to ease up on your Christian bashing from now on.

Homosexuals do use that as an excuse on why they commit suicide. I think its more complex than that. People that are suicidal usually have psychology problems and it's simply not one thing that causes it.

edit on 22-8-2011 by IlluminatusOculus33 because: (no reason given)

I don't think it is really about Christian bashing either. My niece is a Minister in NYC and gay. What does indeed cause suicide is simply youth. Youth is a hazard, being young you pretty much double chances of suicide and after your 20's the risk goes down. You want me to look that up for ya?
Now consider you being young have a more than double risk and then you have some group telling you your sexual orientation is wrong. Not only that, they are also telling you (young and suicidal by nature) you are an abomination? You are a sin? You do not deserve to live?

Meanwhile look around. You got a friggin world full of nuclear reactors, oil spills and terrorists, you got baby killers, predators, corporate raiders and bad politicians.
YET you're gonna busy yourself trying to change someones bedroom partner??? In some ally's bedroom telling them how to have sex? Yes ALLY.
These are also fighting men and women. You are giving someone who might EASILY be a police officer, emergency worker, soldier, teacher a nurse, A MINISTER, a hard time?
You?
Can we put this cause of yours on a back burner and try and fight the truly loathsome hand in hand?
I'll hold the gay guys hand and you can hold mine if you don't want to touch him.
I mean just until we get this done.
Christ suffered hookers and tax collectors, took them into the fold and under his wing. You think he is going to balk at some gay people? Forget you. Not gonna happen, though you might taste it on your lips.
Make no mistake my friend, the problem is not and never was homosexuality.
The problem is as it always has been...HATRED.
AND SOWING THE SEEDS OF IT.

Originally posted by spw184
reply to post by newcovenant

 

lol, how am i sterotyping homosexuals? and when would small helpless children be invlovled?

Here's some facts that might agree with the OP. Clearly if half of all men by midlife have had

some sort of overt erotic experience with members of their own sex.

they are not all killing themselves!

Kinsey showed that this traditional view was quite mistaken.
For example, his statistics revealed that, by the time they reached middle age, about 50% of all males (and 20% of all females) had some sort of overt erotic experience with members of their own sex.

This accounted for every second man and every fifth woman in the country. Indeed, 37% of all males (and 13% of all females) had at least one homosexual experience to the point of orgasm between adolescence and old age.

This applied to nearly two males out of every five and to more than one female out of every eight.

Finally, according to Kinsey's findings, 4% of all males (and about 2% of all females) were exclusively homosexual in their behavior throughout their lives.

Humboldt University - Sexual Orientation (Undergraduate/ Graduate course)
www2.rz.hu-berlin.de...

reply to post by newcovenant


Well duh, if you think about it, homosexual experiances are really nothing more than playing around from a science standpoint. There is no sexual activity going on, if your basing it off of a scientific definition. This makes those people we call "Confused" Or "Bi-curious" Of course everyone screwed a guy or at least kissed on at least ONCE when they where a teenager, those stats are not surprising at all!

reply to post by spw184


Yeah they do. I forgot the chart. Thanks for quick response which let me notice that!
Note almost no one is exclusively hetro. So what basically amounts to a hate doctrine is being sold as some sort of divine religious mandate. Even if you don't agree with the Kinsey Report below, don't agree with this. There is no time left for these petty hatreds. We have real enemies to fight together.

0. Exclusively heterosexual experience.
1. Largely heterosexual, but incidental homosexual experience.
2. Largely heterosexual, but more than incidental homosexual experience.
3. Equal amount of heterosexual and homosexual experience.
4. Largely homosexual, but more than incidental heterosexual experience.
5. Largely homosexual, but incidental heterosexual experience.
6. Exclusively homosexual experience.

www2.rz.hu-berlin.de...
The Kinsey Reports en.wikipedia.org...

Ive seen that before, but never in a graph, its supposed to be a more accurate scale of sexuality 1 being straight as a board, and 6 being flaming

Originally posted by DBCooper71
Hold on a minute, how can you change someone's sexual preference?
I'm hetro, and I'm pretty sure no one could turn me gay, so how can you turn a gay person straight?.

And why are some people, so obsessed, with what other people get up to in private.
This is something that baffles me, if it does not directly affect anyone, then what concern is it too anyone else.

Live and let live.
There are far more important things in life too worry about, than what complete strangers get up in bed.

Ooooh OKAY! Can I answer this one?

Typically, intolerance generates from anger. For instance, it's more difficult to tolerate people whose pretendy-wendy guy in the sky, encompassing every facet of love there is, gave them permission to diminish the value of other creatures that said pretendy-wendy guy created just because of who they are attracted to, when earlier that morning, your spouse decided to spend this week's grocery money on a bowling-alley-gone-bar-crawl shindig with the old band, which by the way, is getting back together.

Oppression creates anger, unrest, and sometimes, a revolution. But it always nurtures religion, because at the end of the day, when the government took your land, your weapons, and told you that you nor anyone else in your family will go on to higher education because they don't have the funds to finance an education and all of them are pretty much climbing nowhere but sideways, it's soothing to believe that somebody, somewhere cares and that somebody will kiss it and make it all better one day.

With anger practically embedded comes resentment, unfailingly followed by insecurity. Once the guy next door does ANYTHING better than one of these angry, resentful, insecure souls, it's so comforting to holler "Yeah take your new car, successful family and happy smile and cram it up your wazoo because this may not look like much of a life to you, but 'cus I'm here yelling about how the Lord loves me, he's gonna let me into heaven when I die cus I'm so special to him, and you'll be in hell, and we'll all finally be even" from your lawn chair with a remote control in one hand and a bible in the other.

In short, it just feels so good when it's the only thing 'ya really got going. Hate is the lazy and ignorant way to "improve" humanity's condition.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by spw184

 

Well there is the Secret Gospel of Mark

en.wikipedia.org...

that supposed to shed a little more light on Mark 14:51-52

Mark 14:51-52
51And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:
52And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

Love how you quote the Wikipedia article on it even though there is a section that says it's probably a forgery en.wikipedia.org...

and here is a quote from the top of the Wiki article

The revelation of the letter caused a sensation at the time, but was soon met with accusations of forgery. The subsequent discovery that the major plot elements of Smith's discovery - the attempt to plant a hoax manuscript embarrassing to Christianity by a German archeologist in the Mar Saba library, and his unmasking by an American - are found in Canadian writer James H. Hunter's The Mystery of Mar Saba (1940), published the year before Smith's first visit to the Mar Saba library, has led most mainstream scholars today to regard the discovery as a hoax

The Secret Gospel of Mark can't be used to claim Jesus was homosexual, there isn't enough evidence that proves those missing verses are legitimate. You'll have to come up with better proof than that.

reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33

The Secret Gospel of Mark can't be used to claim Jesus was homosexual, there isn't enough evidence that proves those missing verses are legitimate. You'll have to come up with better proof than that.

Let me ask you something...

If it was proved beyond a resonable doubt that Jesus was in fact Gay, would you still claim that Homosexuality is a sin because its in the bible?

I mean, its the "word of God" right....... What if Jesus was actually gay? Would this make the bible NOT the word of God?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33

 

The Secret Gospel of Mark can't be used to claim Jesus was homosexual, there isn't enough evidence that proves those missing verses are legitimate. You'll have to come up with better proof than that.

Let me ask you something...

If it was proved beyond a resonable doubt that Jesus was in fact Gay, would you still claim that Homosexuality is a sin because its in the bible?

I mean, its the "word of God" right....... What if Jesus was actually gay? Would this make the bible NOT the word of God?

Jesus was without sin (1 Peter:2:22, 1 John 3:5, Hebrew 4:15) so he wasn't gay nor was he married. He was celibate.

Ok guys really? Jesus preached love and tolerance, its people like you that encourage gays to bash you!! Love is love, and i doubt god would deny ANYONE love!!

Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33

 

The Secret Gospel of Mark can't be used to claim Jesus was homosexual, there isn't enough evidence that proves those missing verses are legitimate. You'll have to come up with better proof than that.

Let me ask you something...

If it was proved beyond a resonable doubt that Jesus was in fact Gay, would you still claim that Homosexuality is a sin because its in the bible?

I mean, its the "word of God" right....... What if Jesus was actually gay? Would this make the bible NOT the word of God?

Jesus was without sin (1 Peter:2:22, 1 John 3:5, Hebrew 4:15) so he wasn't gay nor was he married. He was celibate.

Homosexuality is a part of nature, only the bible calls it a sin.., And considering it is found in all species in nature, i believe the bible is wrong.

I call foul on the bible for going against its own morals and values.

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

As for the marriage thing, i also disagree with that assumption as well. Theres plenty of evidence that states that he not only was married, but he had children.

Theres no way a man with that size of following would have died a virgin.

Women are a blessing to man, i don't believe he wouldn't have wanted to experience that connection with a female within his lifetime.

Just my opinion of course.

And btw, i didn't ask you to state what he wasn't... I asked you to consider "IF" he was... gay.

reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33



Yes its bad isn’t it, when some quack tries to pass on his ignorance by disguising it as genuine research – what should we do with such people?

Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33

 

Yes its bad isn’t it, when some quack tries to pass on his ignorance by disguising it as genuine research – what should we do with such people?

Well in the past you would put them on trial facing bias judges, then burn them at the stake...

What do you do these days?

reply to post by Akragon


i get the feeling i should have put a after my text, any way done it now

Also, you guys have to know that the bible was written by like 9000+ people and over a period of like 100 years, also, the anti-gay messages in it may have been because homosexuality was a danger back than, and one male in a family may be the only one that wasa ble to bear children, so being gay would be bad to say the least.

Yeah and almost all animals have homosexual relations so haha.

Originally posted by spw184
Also, you guys have to know that the bible was written by like 9000+ people and over a period of like 100 years, also, the anti-gay messages in it may have been because homosexuality was a danger back than, and one male in a family may be the only one that wasa ble to bear children, so being gay would be bad to say the least.

Yeah and almost all animals have homosexual relations so haha.

You can't even get your basic facts straight. It wasn't written by over 9,000 people here you go:

Many people contributed to the writing of the Bible. Actually the Bible is a collection of writings from about forty contributors, thirty in the Old Testament and ten in the New Testament. For example, the Psalms are a collection of the works of several authors, of whom David, the "sweet singer of Israel", is the best known. But psalms were also written by Moses, by Asaph, by a man named Ethan, and by the sons of Korah.

Who Wrote The Bible

Only forty people wrote the Bible. You grossly exaggerated the amount of people.

How is homosexuality any less of a danger today? Homosexuals have the highest HIV/AIDS rate among the population. Seems pretty dangerous to me.

Animals can't make a moral choice but humans can. If a dog runs up and snatches a sandwich out of someones hand and gobbles it up it doesn't know any better because it doesn't have any morals. If a person would to come up and steal a sandwich from another person it's different because that person has the understanding what morals are and that stealing is wrong. Animals don't have the capacity.