3 Reasons Ron Paul will NEVER be President

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
There is ony one reason he won't be President.

He just isn't that popular...his extreme views guarantees that will always be the case.


Ron Paul supporters...please acknowledge this fact so you aren't too dissapointed that he doesn't win the primary.

Ron Paul isn't popular? How so? I would like to know how you came to that conclusion or are you just basing it off from whom the MSM is covering to make this statement?

I'm troubled here as I keep seeing these statements being made over and over. "He isn't popular"

Yet I see the exact opposite. Polling throughout the web shows a different story than your statement. His total amount of funds donated by people including getting the MOST donation from military shows a different story,

I can go on and on but "he isn't popular"? Where are you getting this from? Or is it an opinion.

Ron Paul has "extreme views" ?? another opinion obviously.
His views only seem extreme to some of you because it is NOT the status quo.

I'm with the OP on this one. RP may come across the finish line a little stronger this time than last but he'll fail miserably and has zero chance to succeed because of all the reasons given in the original post. If by some wild stretch of imagination he took the win... Well, one JFK indecent is enough don't you think? RP is just not coming across as a "Used car salesman" and That won't wash in America! I maybe mistaken but I'm sure I heard him say in one of his videos that he'd abolish the CIA, and shut down the federal reserve, back to the gold standard! I like RP and wish him all the best but he has absolutely no chance of becoming the next POTUS! I believe that If his supporters would just lose the football team mentality for a second, they'd see plain as day that it just aint gonna happen!

what can save him is the amount of people that dont vote.
doesn't only 35% on the population actually vote?
If a ton of people go to vote just for him, it could sway the election.

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup

Another reason he will not win is the fact that he wants to disband the Board of Education. Can you imagine what would happen if states were allowed to dictate what is taught in their public schools??? I can, and it is pretty scary. Far Right states would teach a mainly christian view point on EVERYTHING! Texas would have close to no high school graduates going to prestigious universities, and people would be FAR les educated.

Did you really say that??
Have you done any research into the quality of our public educational systems since the Federal Government has taken over? Where are we ranked internationally compared to the amount of money we spend? Do you really think that States and local communities can't do a better job without out all the benefits (sarcasm) of "no child left behind".... = "all children dumb down." Where all that is taught is how to pass some standardized politically correct test...
Oh Noos, a Christian view point on everything, like math and science and language and stuff… What if they even had the gall to teach the kids Morals and Discipline... the horror (more sarcasm)
Come back with some data to show how much better our education has become under the Board of Education, if you don't mind backing up what you say.

Sorry if I am not clear, but I am a victim of the Dept of Education myself.

reply to post by innocenttdreams


I think when people say he isn't popular, they simply mean he's not a household name. Within the sphere of his supporters he is, of course, VERY popular! In order to win the election however his name will have to be second nature to every tongue engaged in any bar/living room or workplace debate in the US.

Sorry I just couldn't resist
www.youtube.com...

These "why it's pointless to support Ron Paul" threads are getting a little tiresome. In fact, the whole "let's be realistic about politics" philosophy is getting more than a little tiresome. I'm tired of being "realistic." Now, personally, I staunchly disagree with Ron Paul on all kinds of topics from abortion to gay marriage - but you know what? I don't care. I support Ron Paul because even though he disagrees with me, he doesn't want to FORCE me into compliance with his views. I'm tired of every candidate out there running on a platform of "let's make the bastards do it our way!" How is that American? How does that further the causes of liberty and freedom?

And even though Ron Paul's vision for the US Government is surely quite a bit different than mine, I am still going to support him. Not because I am on the Ron Paul bandwagon but because I'm sick and tired of the broken, bought, corrupt system we have now. It can't be fixed without breaking it. And if it takes an extreme libertarian to rip the guts out of this putrid, sorry excuse for a government, then I'm willing to support it.

Even if Ron Paul is completely wrong in his philosophies, even if "Constitutional" government really is pase' and quaint, I am willing to live and support my family through the very worst consequences that deflating the disastrous growth in the federal government. If it means another Depression, so be it. If it means I have to test my hamburger for complete cooking myself, so be it. If it means armed gangs robbing and looting in the streets, so be it. Just to get rid of the creeping fascist State.

Ron Paul is only unelectable because too many people have been beaten down and convinced that he is unelectable. And even if Ron Paul the man never makes it to the White House, the idea that we should all just quiet down and forget about that whole "Liberty" thing is an outrage.

Originally posted by minkmouse
I believe that If his supporters would just lose the football team mentality for a second, they'd see plain as day that it just aint gonna happen!

Herein lies the dilemma: Does one make a conscious and informed vote for Paul knowing he might potentially lose or do they vote for some candidate who will continue towards the same path to destroy America but has a chance to win?

I'm certainly not in the crowd that won't vote for someone because he/she has the potential to lose. If a majority of their values match mine and if they actually address current issues reasonably, they are getting my vote regardless if they may lose.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


he's also an extreme conservative. You say you are an extreme liberal, despite your interest in voting for the underdog, why would you even think of voting for this man?

Originally posted by vexati0n
...even if Ron Paul the man never makes it to the White House, the idea that we should all just quiet down and forget about that whole "Liberty" thing is an outrage.

Wise words there friend! I wholeheartedly agree that we as Americans (or any other nation for that matter) shouldn't lower our standards and present a defeatist attitude when it comes to virtue and liberty.

reply to post by XplanetX


That wouldn't have helped Jf Kennedy

I wonder how many of you have read even one book by him.

Originally posted by minkmouse
I maybe mistaken but I'm sure I heard him say in one of his videos that he'd abolish the CIA, and shut down the federal reserve, back to the gold standard! I like RP and wish him all the best but he has absolutely no chance of becoming the next POTUS! I believe that If his supporters would just lose the football team mentality for a second, they'd see plain as day that it just aint gonna happen!

He doesn't want to abolish the CIA, that's more misinformation. He wants to streamline our intel agencies, and stop them from carrying out their own agendas besides intel gathering...

Ron Paul: Yeah, they were allowed to get intelligence, yes. And I recognize that as being proper. But today, the intelligence agencies are so bloated, there are 16 of them. They spend $75 billion, and then when they get information, they get a hot lead like a father coming in and warning them, they don’t even know what to do with it. That’s one my biggest beefs. They don’t really protect us, they don’t even act on it. And then what about the FBI making all these reports that these guys are learning how to fly airplanes but not to land them? And it was totally ignored. So it’s the ineptness and the failure for whatever reason that bothers me to no end. But I agree with you. We should have it, but so much information is readily available and they should get it and we will always have people coming to us and giving us information. So I separate the two; intelligence gathering from this intrigue of overthrowing governments.
www.ronpaul.com...

The federal reserve, he doesn't want to end it, he wants to reign it in and make them hold public meetings...

Paul might be steadfast in his beliefs, but he has few plans to impose them on an unsuspecting America. He is, in fact, honest about what would happen if his fondest wishes came true. "If tomorrow we closed the Fed and started using a gold standard, it would be so chaotic nobody would know what to do," he says. "There are interim positions, such as allowing competition in currencies." But, he admits, "People aren't ready for that. It's complicated—it is very complicated."

Rather than returning America to the banking system of the 1890s, then, Paul has adopted a somewhat more modest mission: Keeping alive the current conversation about the Fed. It's a conversation that some economists and think tank scholars say can't hurt. "We have not seen a lot of hearings on monetary policy from the monetary policy subcommittee," notes Mark Calabria, the director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute. "To a certain extent, a lot of members of Congress don't want to bother with the topic. The way I see it, Paul will attempt a public-information campaign. It is not going to be the end of the world for the Fed."
www.slate.com...

Originally posted by White Locust
reply to post by XplanetX

 

That wouldn't have helped Jf Kennedy

True.

That is why I pray for him.

Originally posted by vexati0n
These "why it's pointless to support Ron Paul" threads are getting a little tiresome. In fact, the whole "let's be realistic about politics" philosophy is getting more than a little tiresome. I'm tired of being "realistic." Now, personally, I staunchly disagree with Ron Paul on all kinds of topics from abortion to gay marriage - but you know what? I don't care. I support Ron Paul because even though he disagrees with me, he doesn't want to FORCE me into compliance with his views. I'm tired of every candidate out there running on a platform of "let's make the bastards do it our way!" How is that American? How does that further the causes of liberty and freedom?

And even though Ron Paul's vision for the US Government is surely quite a bit different than mine, I am still going to support him. Not because I am on the Ron Paul bandwagon but because I'm sick and tired of the broken, bought, corrupt system we have now. It can't be fixed without breaking it. And if it takes an extreme libertarian to rip the guts out of this putrid, sorry excuse for a government, then I'm willing to support it.

Even if Ron Paul is completely wrong in his philosophies, even if "Constitutional" government really is pase' and quaint, I am willing to live and support my family through the very worst consequences that deflating the disastrous growth in the federal government. If it means another Depression, so be it. If it means I have to test my hamburger for complete cooking myself, so be it. If it means armed gangs robbing and looting in the streets, so be it. Just to get rid of the creeping fascist State.

Ron Paul is only unelectable because too many people have been beaten down and convinced that he is unelectable. And even if Ron Paul the man never makes it to the White House, the idea that we should all just quiet down and forget about that whole "Liberty" thing is an outrage.

Very well said and if there are enough people in America that feel as you do the the little bugger has a chance I don't believe he'll pull it off but every fiber in me wants to see it happen!

Originally posted by douglas2k4

Originally posted by minkmouse
I believe that If his supporters would just lose the football team mentality for a second, they'd see plain as day that it just aint gonna happen!

Herein lies the dilemma: Does one make a conscious and informed vote for Paul knowing he might potentially lose or do they vote for some candidate who will continue towards the same path to destroy America but has a chance to win?

I'm certainly not in the crowd that won't vote for someone because he/she has the potential to lose. If a majority of their values match mine and if they actually address current issues reasonably, they are getting my vote regardless if they may lose.

I agree with your thinking, when you vote for RP you are voting for change. But your not like the rest! you're on ATS and as I see it, if the only Americans voting for RP were members of this site I sincerely believe he'd win! Now I'm not saying he doesn't have support beyond this site but at the end of the day as the OP stated, he's a "Fringe" walker.

I was sincerely hoping I'd remember how to embed a Vid but I failed. The link below shows how it was believed RP had a chance in 2008. Sadly I feel that after the 2012 election you'll be watching a video with a little more glitz, the end result however will be the same.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


RON PAUL 2012

It's time to restore America

reply to post by 27jd


Well thanks, as I said I may be misinformed so I'll have to dig up the material again and see what went wrong.
I'd turf the CIA,,,I mean what kind of casino has highly trained thugs with two way radios telling the dealer who's holding what cards? As for the "FED"... usury is just usury no matter how it's polished

Originally posted by Deja`Vu
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

RON PAUL 2012

It's time to restore America

I agree but have to wonder to what prior date? If you restore back to one hundred years ago you only buy time. If you simply abandon everything but the constitution and the whole "Founding Fathers" stick you're going to get a lot of angry people in the rest of the known world wanting their money back for a very poorly delivered show.

First I'll have to admit I only read through about page 4.

But here's the thing folks like Captainnotsooobvious and other haters are not quite understanding:

The "game" and the "salesmanship" of politics is exactly what is crumbling beneath the feet of the mainstream candidates.

Ron Paul's support stands on its own as a rejection of the 24/7 media machine.
Ron Paul supporters represent that more and more Americans ARE paying attention to the details and CAN be educated about complex issues.

Of course Dr. Paul is unelectable from within the boundaries of conventional politics.

THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION IS BOTH THE 'HOW' AND 'WHY' OF THE EXTINCTION OF MAINSTREAM POLITICS