New Libyan Constitution to ban individual rights

The proposed new constitution of Libya, drafted by Islamic activist Mohammed Busidra, will:

- establish Islam as the official state religion,

- ban the praise of any religion other than Islam,

- identify Islamic Sharia law as the primary source of legislation,

- denationalize Libya's oil for exploitation by Western nations,

- criminalize the consumption of alcohol and

- criminalize homosexuality.

The regime with which NATO intends to replace Gaddafi has the most right-wing, reactionary character. The TNC has drawn up a 14-page "constitutional declaration" in Benghazi, which was shown to AFP.

It lays out the foundation for a right-wing Islamist government in Libya. It states, "Libya is a democratic and independent state. The people are the source of authority, Tripoli is the capital, Islam is the religion, and Islamic sharia (traditional law) is the principal source of legislation."

The document was reportedly written by Islamic activist Mohammed Busidra, who granted an interview to Canada's Globe and Mail daily on August 5. The paper reported that Busidra is "organizing Libya's mosques into a political machine. This has made him, in the view of many people here, the figure who will wield the most political power, and likely control the country's leadership, in the event of the dictator's demise."

Busidra presented his vision for an Islamic fundamentalist and pro-imperialist puppet state in Libya. He assured the Globe and Mail that he would "remain favorable toward the West and its governments and oil companies." The inescapable conclusion is that Libya's 42 billion barrels of oil will be de-nationalized and seized by Western oil firms. Busidra also insisted that alcohol and homosexuality should become strictly illegal in Libya, as well as "the praise of any religion other than Islam."

Link to the Libyan Constitution by the TNC which will be final
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This the man sitting now in the TNC
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So do you still feel proud for supporting these radicals eh? Oh and including this

- denationalize Libya's oil for exploitation by Western nations,

So Libya not a puppet to west eh? well with this this really saddens me as a canadian for supporting there oil for the west war

I'm not so sure it'll be quite that cut and dry.. Since we saw members of the Libyan Royal Family come out early in favour of the rebels (as if that would be a surprise) along with other calls for the TNC to adopt the constitution created when Libya gained independence.

So I wouldn't be shocked if the Crown Prince was reinstated along with the previous constitution and the switching of capitals between Tripoli and Benghazi.. Although it clearly states Islam is the religion of Libya it also enshrines freedom of religion within it's articles.

I guess tho we will have to wait and see what happens...

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
The proposed new constitution of Libya, drafted by Islamic activist Mohammed Busidra, will:

- establish Islam as the official state religion,

Islam was the defacto religion in Libya under Khadaffi. Prior to him taking power the largest and oldest jewish community resided in Libya. After he took power all other religious groups were driven from the country. If you want to make the argument the clerics did this, then my question would be why did Khadaffi allow it?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
- ban the praise of any religion other than Islam,

See above

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
- identify Islamic Sharia law as the primary source of legislation,

See above

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
- denationalize Libya's oil for exploitation by Western nations,

The TNC argument is Libya is stuck in the past and needs to move forward. Denationalizing the one resource that can help breath new life into Libya is in fact oil. Libya does not have up to date technology to fully use the oil fields. They arent giving them away to foreign businesses for free. They will expect royalties from use / sale of oil on the global market.

Maybe they can use that money to explore and open newer fields and go from there?

Have you also thought that since Libya was NOT moving forward, that the money the government needs to move on is not adequate?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
- criminalize the consumption of alcohol and

- criminalize homosexuality.

Again see above.

Even though Libya never had a formal constitution under Khaddafi, everything listed was used during that time.

Besides the Constitution is not final, and the TNC is setting elections at 20 months.

If you dont mind me asking, and without being specific, are you from that part of the world or do you have family connections there? We have gone back and forth in a few threads now and I am trying to see your point of view, but im having difficulty putting it into perspective (your complete and total rejection of the TNC).

Did you support the Khaddafi government (ok with the way they ruled Libya)?

Question about your source... The website you linked is to the World Socialist Website, a paper that is affiliated with the International Committee of the Fourth International, which split from International Committee of the Fourth International over idological differences.

The groups above have ties to history, including Nazi Germany (im not calling them nazis btw, just pointing that out). The group is for socialist ideologies and pushes that agenda very hard. Since socialism is based comunal wealth as opposed to individual ownership, as well as other points.

Wouldnt you consider your source to be biased towards whats going on in Libya because of their political position and beliefs?

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Sounds like Libya is about to become another Saudi Arabia.

Funny how the West installs extremist Islam as a means to control the people to prevent any uprisings (like they're going to do in Egypt aswell) and at the same time the installed government officials are such that they always do the bidding of the West.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Sounds like Libya is about to become another Saudi Arabia.

Funny how the West installs extremist Islam as a means to control the people to prevent any uprisings (like they're going to do in Egypt aswell) and at the same time the installed government officials are such that they always do the bidding of the West.

Any particular reason you and some others throw this out there all the time? Do you guys find it that impossible for people in those countries to be so fed up with whats going on that they cant intiate change on their own?

The west did not topple the government in Tunisha, Libya, Egypt etc etc, the people of those countries did. Are people embarrased by that fact to the extent that they have to link anything Western in order to comprehend what occured?

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And prior to Kadaffi they did have a national constitution that some are calling to be reinstated that includes all the freedoms the op fears will be taken away.

I would have thought for the sake of stability that it would be a natural move to readopt that constitution and make amendments from there.

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Thats the thing my friend, the people have been fooled and lied to. It is propaganda at its best. Its what propaganda is for. These "protests" only result in more oppressive government regimes which the people unknowingly accept. In Egypt theres already rumours that the hard-line Muslim brotherhood is to win in a landslide this November, and not surprisingly, the US government is endorsing them to win. US Government reconsider's stance on Muslim Brotherhood
Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated US Government

Its far more easier for the West to deal with a predictable extremist/corrupt government (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar etc) they have installed or endorsed, than one which goes against the West's interests.

Ask any people in those countries on how they felt before and after NATO invasion/influence and then see their reactions.

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dont give me That includes freedom of religion and equal rights for women.

you believe everything that AlJazeera or a government figure tells you?

Originally posted by EvanB
The op is total crap

I have just watched rebel government spokesmen on AlJazeera do a public speech on the new Libyan constitution which is on par with the west and the most liberal in the arab world.

That includes freedom of religion and equal rights for women.

I have to ask the original poster what is his/her agenda at spreading total bollocks and lies?

One more thing i am not spreading any lies, that is there constitution nor do i have any agenda so enough of the insults ok?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
One more thing i am not spreading any lies, that is there constitution

nor do i have any agenda so enough of the insults ok?

edit on 22-8-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

the phrase you are forgetting is you need to practice what you preach. Your stating that this is the new constitution is not accurate. Its what they are discussing however its not set in stone, so to claim it is is wrong, and your article says that as well, that its what they are looking at and want, but its not set in stone.

Secondly, it gets old when you constantly whine and cry about media sources being propogaanda, when you absolutely refuse to provide any for your sources (although in this thread I was impressed you actually included it, but not surprised you misrepresented it).

Im not sure what its going to take to get you to understand that this board is not under government control or censorship, which means you arent going to just get a pass when you make outrageous claims with nothing to support it.

You complain we are unfairly targeting you, which is furthest from the truth. What we are doing is calling you out and holding you accountible for your statements, just as you are doing with western media.

Everything pointed out in your op, which has been answered a few times now, was the same thing under Gaddafis rule. The only difference is the denationalization of oil and a few other areas, which to this point have been suggestions, but again not set in stone.

You grab an article, seize it, and present it as fact / occuring, and in this thread, that is not the case at all.

Something else to consider in all this, as with the current events in Syria, is that the "Rebels" are being armed from day one, by whom exactly?
Our own governments and press then go on the offensive and say we must help the rebels - those heavily armed rebels don't forget - overthrow their government, to bring peace, and so go all out killing perhaps more people than the allegedly oppressive regime is doing.

Now, think for a minute how our own governments would react, when faced with an armed uprising to topple them and remove them from power! Would they speak kindly to those armed rebels and ask them to please go home and they'll make things better? No, they'd unleash the full might of the armed forces to squash us like bugs to keep themselves in power. So, looking at it that way, the full hypocrisy of what we are being presented becomes quite clear.

These are stage managed events, and power / resource grabs by the elites and bankers who run the world, and have done for a very long time. We are all just pawns working our butts off to pay our taxes to enable them to control us more and have their dirty little wars, all the time being fed propagandised "news" from the front to cheer on the plucky rebels. As usual, many will die so someones bank accounts can swell even more and control over the people can be maintained, and the country of Libya will be plunged into poverty as the international vultures circle overhead to rob them blind of the resources they have. Of course, in order to maintain order, we'll probably have to have boots on the ground at some point to protect the resources once the people realise they have been set up and robbed.

Liberated eh?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by EvanB
The op is total crap

I have just watched rebel government spokesmen on AlJazeera do a public speech on the new Libyan constitution which is on par with the west and the most liberal in the arab world.

That includes freedom of religion and equal rights for women.

I have to ask the original poster what is his/her agenda at spreading total bollocks and lies?

One more thing i am not spreading any lies, that is there constitution

nor do i have any agenda so enough of the insults ok?

edit on 22-8-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

Come on now you most certainly do have an agenda as all your posts are anti-western in regards to Libya. Every single peice of evidence you get you twist into something pointing to how bad they Libyians are going to get treated.

You have yet to mention one negative thing about Ghaddafi and deny them all and even when presented with evidence you claim it is biased and can't be trusted.

However that is your right but you shouldn't criticize others for taking the opposite view.

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I could say the same the thing about you kro32 you two have an agenda as well, the way you defend the rebels, NATO,The Media etc.

So lets keep it fair?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by kro32

 

I could say the same the thing about you kro32 you two have an agenda as well, the way you defend the rebels, NATO,The Media etc.

So lets keep it fair?

You seem to be mistaking agenda for facts. What we have done is correct your agenda with facts. The problem we are having is your refusal to provide any sources that support your argument / claims / agenda. Just like this thread, you pass it off as absolute while you ignore the fact its not even set in stone and discussions with all factions has not been completed yet.

You dismiss media when you dont agree with it, and then you turn around and use those same media sources you discounted when it has info you want to use to support your claim.

You are the one who is incapable of making any type of argument in favor of your position because you can't / refuse to support it with FACTS.

Example - Show me where in your source here it states this Constitution is final? Show me where in this article it states everyone has weighed in and there is no more debate to it. Show me where it states it will ban individual freedoms.

and finally, since you ignore it, show me how your claims about the new constitution are any difgferent than they way Gadaffi has run Libya.

Absent that, how about you be fair and support your claims with sources we can see and read ourselves.

If you cant do this, then why do you bother to keep posting threads when you know for a fact your info is going to be challenged?

Ciontray to want you want, this website is located in the United States and the bulk of the users are from western style countries, which means in addition to reading, we like to see sources and we like to research those sources and we like to challenge those sources.

So yeah, how about you play fair and support your claims with FACTS that can be chcked by giving us the SOURCE as well.

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Ciontray to want you want, this website is located in the United States and the bulk of the users are from western style countries, which means in addition to reading, we like to see sources and we like to research those sources and we like to challenge those sources.

Oh really since you say that this site is based in the United States havent you looked at the web adress of Feb17 Lately? they are also located in the United States, with two other IP adress in the United States.

Example - Show me where in your source here it states this Constitution is final? Show me where in this article it states everyone has weighed in and there is no more debate to it. Show me where it states it will ban individual freedoms.

And you thin it wont be final? thats pretty laughable since you have been defending the rebels from day one, with that you also have an agenda so dont start claiming i have a agenda just because i dont the support the rebels and western influences on libya unlike for which you seem support so very much to the hardcore.

And they way Gadaffi has run Libya

Gadaffi at least cared for his people, Gadaffi created libya as better welfare country look it up for yourself beforte claiming Gadaffi was bad, just because the media told you so.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Ciontray to want you want, this website is located in the United States and the bulk of the users are from western style countries, which means in addition to reading, we like to see sources and we like to research those sources and we like to challenge those sources.

Oh really since you say that this site is based in the United States havent you looked at the web adress of Feb17 Lately? they are also located in the United States, with two other IP adress in the United States.

Example - Show me where in your source here it states this Constitution is final? Show me where in this article it states everyone has weighed in and there is no more debate to it. Show me where it states it will ban individual freedoms.

And you thin it wont be final? thats pretty laughable since you have been defending the rebels from day one, with that you also have an agenda so dont start claiming i have a agenda just because i dont the support the rebels and western influences on libya unlike for which you seem support so very much to the hardcore.

edit on 23-8-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

You've, again, missed the point.

nevermind, this circular argument you have is old.

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Gadaffi at least cared for his people, Gadaffi created libya as better welfare country look it up for yourself beforte claiming Gadaffi was bad, just because the media told you so.

If you are a Sliver Level Contributor why dont you go an research what good Gadaffi has done to the libyans and the way he improved the living conditions of libya? or the water project Gadaffi was working now tyrants dont make water projects he they dont care for the people dont they? if Gadaffi was such a tyrant explian that.

nevermind, this circular argument you have is old.

old? its not i made vaild points on some of my own libyan threads on what good Gadaffi has done but the only thing and the only circular argument you have is Defend the rebels defend NATO Defend the Globalist agenda on libya.