Ajanta Caves

reply to post by EartOccupant


It should be noted that this is cut, rather than built. The two have their perspective challenges and needed skills to accomplish, though personally, built is obviously more labor intensive, cut requires more skill.

In any case, it's a testimony to the people who built it. Highly skilled and organized.

reply to post by EartOccupant


finally found some time to really look into your thread and the clips (have left the very long one out, i must confess) and i’m totally intrigued!

you mention that “the origins of the caves are submitted to at least two different believes ( Hindu and Buddha )”. in all other coverage i could find on the net, i did not come across any mention of it being linked to hindu. can you give me details on this? or do you refer to the fact that buddhism originated from hinduism?

because i find it also very beautiful how the female and male find a balance in these paintings. very unusual, specially if they are buddhist. then again, they are of very early buddhist times (if truly they are of only buddhist origin as claimed in the sites i’ve read).

also, i find it very interesting that a few hundred years after building them and living there, the monks and artists just left. that was around 600 ad, and then the caves were forgotten until 1800 and something. amazing!

I just wanted to say thank you to the OP for posting this! I have never seen nor even heard of these caves. The amount of intricate, detailed work involved is staggering. I watched the entire video in awe and wonderment.

Star and flag!

Originally posted by EartOccupant
reply to post by citizen6511

 

The more i see those ancient "rock" works all around the globe, i believe less in the "a lot of people, a lot of work and a lot of copper tools" theories.

Either they had beams, machines or other powers, besides the architectural knowledge out of nowhere.
It doesn't add up.

Although opinions about Stitchen varies, i still find his translations of the Sumerian tablets one of the best explanations about ancient sites all around the world, up to date.

As they write about the different constructions they erect around the world, even the different styling is addressed as it was caried out by different Annunaki's. India, South America etc.

"The Beam that cuts all" is talked about, it could explain a lot of rock carving around the world, even the missing hill tops. The Ethiopian cut out churches, etc etc.

So I guess you don't understand that all people did back then was sit around and carve things out of rock? They carved things out of stone, and they gathered just enough food to live. Stone and dirt were some of the only things people had in early human history.

Interesting thread OP. Thank you for your time. I followed the link posted by 1AnunnakiBastard www.shunya.net... and under the image titled "Bodhisattva Padmapani" I found an interesting image in the background (original image and background image posted below) I will leave it up to the observer as to what they think the object it is holding in its arms represents. It also has birdlike legs and feet. There are many interesting images in the background of the original image.

reply to post by Diogeneser


Looks like he's holding a musical instrument to me, and dancing making his feet look funny.

btw great post op

reply to post by bestintentions


Hi, It seems like I was mistaken.

Just a few miles away is another cave complex called Ellora, Also beautiful, and this complex is the one with the different religions mixed. Mea culpa.

Ajanta and nearby Ellora are two of the most amazing archaeological sites in India. Although handcrafted caves are scattered throughout India's western state of Maharashtra, the complexes at Ajanta and Ellora - roughly 300 kilometres northeast of Mumbai (Bombay) - are the most elaborate and varied examples known. The caves aren't natural caves, but man-made temples cut into a massive granite hillside. They were built by generations of Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain monks, who lived, worked, and worshipped in the caves, slowly carving out elaborate statues, pillars, and meditation rooms.

Located about 30 Kilometres from Aurangabad, Ellora caves are known for the genius of their sculptors. It is generally believed that these caves were constructed by the sculptors who moved on from Ajanta. This cave complex is multicultural, as the caves here provide a mix of Buddhist, Hindu and Jain religions. The Buddhist caves came first, about 200 BC - 600 AD followed by the Hindu 500 - 900 AD and Jain 800 - 1000 AD.

More info

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by EartOccupant
reply to post by karen61057

 

Well it would come in handy, and if you have it, bring it!

But i refuse to acknowledge you need papers to have a good adventure

You have better adventures when you have knowledge -- then you know what's anomalous and what itsn't. I've had more adventures after getting that last degree (plus they let you into places usually off limits to the public!)

I Agree, i hope you noticed the wink with both of my posts.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by EartOccupant
Hi All, as i did see a program about the Ajanta Caves (India) i could not help noticing some real straight lines above the caves in the landscape.

Beautiful stuff!

I looked around a little and could not find any more information about the surroundings of the cave. Anyone know if they did a survey off the surroundings as well?

Yes, when you have a site like that the whole area is surveyed.

That's limestone-- you can see the bed layering (which is why they carved in some of the sandstone and not in other areas.) The sloping hillsides are typical. Just drive the road between Big Spring, Texas and San Angelo, Texas (I'm not being facetious, here) and you will see endless miles of them formed from the Edwards limestone and softer underlying limestones. I'm sure there's other areas of the world where people can point to these... that just happens to be a route I've driven many hundreds of times.

What you'll also find is that they only look "pyramidal" from one angle.

Tnx for your insight.

I have to take your word for the limestone, because i read many reports of granite as well.

Ajanta Caves is situated at a distance of 99km from Aurangabad in Maharashtra. They are cave shrines cut out of rock, by hand, and houses one of the most amazing archaeological sites of ancient Indian architectural heritage in a panoramic gorge, in the form of a gigantic horseshoe. Built by cutting the huge granite hillside and in according to the historical evidences, caves were built by Buddhist monks, who lived here for a longer period of time. The 29 caves at Ajanta are Buddhists and dates back between the 2nd century BC and 6th century AD.

Granite

As for the hills on top, and the survey off the surroundings, tnx! Because of the immense scale of the complex i wondered if they ever got to that point. So I guess that is off the table.

Here is a little more info on the "Bodhisattva Padmapani" image in my earlier post.

This image of the bodhisattva Padmapani ("lotus-hand") is found in Cave Number 1. Padmapani is the bodhisattva of compassion, who is also known as Avilokateshvara, and this quality can be seen in the figure's gentle and peaceful demeanor. This image and the image of Vajrapani flank the two sides of the doorway to the central shrine in Cave 1, and represent the aspects of a perfect Buddha-infinite Compassion, and absolute transcendent Wisdom. These images are usually dated in the 6th century CE, when iconic portrayals of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas were well established, and given their subject matter, these two are clearly Mahayana Buddhist images.

According to one interpretation, the monkey that appears over the Bodhisattva's shoulder represents the distractions of worldly life, which the Bodhisattva himself has clearly transcended.

Link

I have found many areas of interests stemming from this thread. Thanks again to the OP.

Originally posted by bone13
reply to post by davidgrouchy

 

In case you missed it is that a stargate in the background, the steps lead up to it.

Im guessing you did know this!





The Large Hadron Collider and the Statue at CERN
environmentalarmageddon.wordpress.com...

Talking about a Stargate LOL!

As for the Ajanta Caves
It sort of reminds me of the Pueblo caves dwellings !







and those Hindu pillars are accurate from that Sindbad movie ! and the Op video

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by EartOccupant

 

I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

Saying its paranormal is lazy, i.e. ALIENS

Humanity is roughly 250,000 years old, that is the current version.

Ancient man had the same intelligence as we do (not knowledge or education but brain power)

It took modern civilization 12,000 years to rise give or take a few thousand years.

IN the past 200 we have seen HUGE leaps in tech.

12,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to 250,000, there is no reason what so ever that civilizations could of advanced to a level near if not equal ours.

In 10,000 years what will remain of our super advance civilization we have now? would we just have a few stone structures, with anomalous radiation in weird places from all our pollution...

Ive been saying this for quite some time on ATS check my profile of my post and you will see that somewhere ive been saying the same thing !

Industrial age

1903 Wright brothers Kitty Hawk ! Apollo 11 to the Moon 66 years Time Manned Flight Machine
NASA heavily influenced by Jules Verne Scifi Book From Earth to Moon 100 years before it actually happened For a Brief Example ! See my Signature Fiction is the Mother of Invention

Either High Civilized Beings Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial made these Structures

Well Modern man has Been on this planet for 250,000+ Years

My Argument we should of been to the Nearest Star By Now if we did the Ratio
from the Industrial Age to Present Day in only 100 years vs 10,000 to 200,000 years

From art Work to Buildings Structures in Pre Columbia, Northern Africa the Middle east Babylonian to India, Cambodia Ankorwat to China there is a Pattern as they also some have a Alignment like a Ley Line Connecting to each other

PART I - THE GREAT CIRCLE
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

reply to post by shagreen heart


Many early civilizations have a Flood myth, that combined with the DNA bottle neck that occurs in human Dna Diversity around 60-100 thousands years ago.

There was a Mass human extinction in human history, at some point where only a small tribe of humans survived, maybe a people group of around a 100 or less.

Combine that with Mitochondria Eve, something happen...

Maybe theres some truth to all those stories.

Such sites like Gobekli Tepe, which is very close to Mount Ararat and is amoung the the oldest sites found.

Time will turn even the largest and greatest structures to sand.

reply to post by Wolfenz


I agree, except the extra terrestrial angle I feel discounts the merits of human ingenuity and intelligence.

There are sites that have anomalies or OOPARTS that science won't consider.

Like the Natural Nuclear reactor in Oklo.

The fused sand green glass that ancient Egyptians used jewelry that is similar to glass found at nuclear test sites from fused sand, it turned green too...

The CIty in india with all the supposed radioactive bodies.

Its far more plausible that Man was more advanced then we think, rather than "aliens" thats the main reason I hate that Ancient alien show, Its purposefully deceitful.

All the Alien propaganda worries me a bit, almost like someone wants us to buy into all that crap to hide the truth for some reason.

Originally posted by citizen6511
reply to post by EartOccupant

 

thank you, how many people worked for how long to build this art work.

i loved the elephants, between barbaric invasions, India achieved many great works.

Not to mention retaining the cultural values despite the barbaric invasions

Just goes to show the true power of Knowledge and evolutionism.

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

I agree, except the extra terrestrial angle I feel discounts the merits of human ingenuity and intelligence.

There are sites that have anomalies or OOPARTS that science won't consider.

Like the Natural Nuclear reactor in Oklo.

The fused sand green glass that ancient Egyptians used jewelry that is similar to glass found at nuclear test sites from fused sand, it turned green too...

The CIty in india with all the supposed radioactive bodies.

Its far more plausible that Man was more advanced then we think, rather than "aliens" thats the main reason I hate that Ancient alien show, Its purposefully deceitful.

All the Alien propaganda worries me a bit, almost like someone wants us to buy into all that crap to hide the truth for some reason.

True I Love Ancient Anomalies the things that Don't Fit in a Timeline Chronology

When I here About Ancient Aliens !! Giving a Boost to mankind and we hear the Myths & Legends of Supreme Beings Deity s Demigods Around the World ! On Every Continent Except Antarctica The True Unexplored Place left on Earth .. If it Not From Another World and its Not From an Ancient Highly Civilization Past as the Legend go as Far as place called Atlantis

if it Neither of the Two My Conclusion ! I would Only Except ! is .........

Somewhere in the Present or Somewhere in the Future We have Actually have Done it a Fictional Belief !
Turned Reality as Today a Few Scientist Would want to make that Attempt but lack the Funding !

The Sacred Word !....

TIME TRAVEL
One man would like to test his Theory

Ronald Mallett
en.wikipedia.org...


Carl Sagan Ponders Time Travel
www.pbs.org...

Just maybe in the Distant Future We became a Civilization Type 3 and Humans have Found a Way
to go back in time ,, changed some things ? and gave Our selves a Big Boost in the 20th century

Is Time Travel Possible?
www.youtube.com...

Is time travel possible? Theoretical physicist and 2057 host Michio Kaku explores the possibilities

It may explain some of those Biblical Legends and Myths and those Ancient Ruins Anomaly's like Puma Punku
as in the Stone Softening & molding or Even the artwork of Ajanta Caves & Other parts of India let alone the Vimanas Legends in Sanskrit that seem so surreal... but they Exist ...

Or the Real scary part is ! It Always been Us ! and what we see is US coming back to earth From a Terraformed Habitual distant Planet from a Near Star we came to that we became a Type 2 type 3 Civilization and coming back to earth to see Our Progress after a REPEAT of a Global Disaster to give us Boost every
10,000 years Through Time Travel .. ?

Hey you Never know !



The Nuclear Natural Reactor of Oklo thats a big Mystery


Egyptian Green Glass and Trinitite Connection hmm Interesting I did not know this
but they did Find a this

Possible Source of Libyan Desert Glass Discovered
planetary.org...


Trinitite
en.wikipedia.org...
Egyptian Impact Site:

as for India Ancient Radioactive Bodies

Ancient Atomic Warfare
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast
veda.wikidot.com...

Well About Ajanta Ellora Caves what was the Main purpose of it being built
what is the Stones Rock made out of in the caves

Indian rock-cut architecture
en.wikipedia.org...

Indian rock-cut architecture is more various and found in greater abundance than any other form of rock-cut architecture around the world.

7 Wonders of India: Ajanta Ellora Caves

reply to post by EartOccupant


Has anyone come across a book that had writing in the margins that was apparently a discussion between two aliens - in their writings they discuss beams that cut rocks and technology that can levitate them, they also discuss the asteroid bombardment of Atlantis? I had found this a few years ago but can't seem to locate anything on the internet now?

Very interesting,thanks OP.

I didnt know about these caves unitl now.

Whether or not humans done this,im not sure.

Works of act either way.

Originally posted by EartOccupant
Ajanta Caves is situated at a distance of 99km from Aurangabad in Maharashtra. They are cave shrines cut out of rock, by hand, and houses one of the most amazing archaeological sites of ancient Indian architectural heritage in a panoramic gorge, in the form of a gigantic horseshoe. Built by cutting the huge granite hillside and in according to the historical evidences, caves were built by Buddhist monks, who lived here for a longer period of time. The 29 caves at Ajanta are Buddhists and dates back between the 2nd century BC and 6th century AD.

Granite! Wow! The external color was so wrong for granite, but... this is very cool! That explains the surface (plaster) and the color which really appeared to be limestone. I hadn't heard that it was a World Heritage site, either -- which means it was really really well studied.

Granite! Wow! The external color was so wrong for granite, but... this is very cool! That explains the surface (plaster) and the color which really appeared to be limestone. I hadn't heard that it was a World Heritage site, either -- which means it was really really well studied.

Granite? Looks like lava like basalt....a check on the WH site also says it's 'Deccan lava'.

A geological study of these ruins and others in the central Deccan; 'Geological evaluation of foundations of ancient monuments and stability of rockcut caves in central India'

Link to study

The full pdf has to be paid for but in the fulltext review you can read the second column which has the information needed

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by EartOccupant

I hadn't heard that it was a World Heritage site, either -- which means it was really really well studied.

You'll be surprised how many such sites exist around the world that we barely know a thing about.

Its the Academic world that really dives into the findings and truely attempts to understand the achievements of humans. They should really have a special subject or level for the World History in High Schools around the world covering pretty much all the ancient ruins that have been discovered so far and its significance. One may never know someday some bright mind might be able to point to a tiny clue which can link them at a much higher plane that we currently understand abou many of these ancient civilizations.