Object not Elenin incoming.

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
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This is impossible due to deep space matter and gases. It's why you see the twinkling effect when star gazing. The most sophisticated telescopes help in the sharpness of the images. Even a poor image of a Hubble deep space image is more than revealing the difference between a star and a galaxy.

edit on 20-8-2011 by Hillbilly123069 because: (no reason given)

What is impossible?
I'm not sure I follow, deep space matter and gasses have very little to do with twinkling of stars which is called scintillation. An effect cause mainly by Earths atmosphere.
And a sophisticated telescope is not going to get you a good image without hours of processing after the fact. Again I don't see your point, whatever camera and scope setup took that picture you can clearly see the shapes of galaxies in the video.

There are many reasons to be concerned about the legitimacy of this photo.
For one the youtube user screens the responses to the video. Simple questions like what camera did you use? do not even get published. The times when the question has been asked go completely unanswered.

The person who 'supposedly' took the photo has been active in the comments section and going by the comments made by them you are told that this is visible from their yard and they took a picture of it. Now I could be wrong as the person will not clarify this but that would lead one to believe if it's visible to the naked eye they used a simple single shot point and shoot digital camera or mobile phone to take the photo. Now this would be where the story falls to pieces. You think you can see stars and I am seeing something different but regardless it doesn't matter, if you take a simple photo of the night sky you will not be able to pick up all but the brightest stars on the photo and even less in the light polluted Sydney suburbs and certainly not a large collection like is seen in the video.
So I conclude from just that alone that this person didn't just see something and take a picture of it, if they did then what is in the photo are not stars or galaxy's at all.


The other big red flag is the fact that this is the only lucky person to be seeing it, if there actually was anything to be seen there are thousands of people who would be reporting it and I dare say be taking better photos of it.
This is nothing more than a poorly orchestrated HOAX and until further detail comes out about it should be treated as such.

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Can you give me roughly the co-ordinates, so I can go and check this out myself, from Victoria.....

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I would like to thank you. Its been 20 yrs since Ive done any real studying in astronomy. Still a lot to go through. That said, get comfortables. You're going to a minute.
**Some caution is required in describing structures on a cosmic scale because things are not always as they appear to be. Bending of light by gravitation (gravitational lensing) can result in images which appear to originate in a different direction from their real source. This is caused by foreground objects (such as galaxies) curving the space around themselves (as predicted by general relativity), deflecting light rays that pass nearby. Rather usefully, strong gravitational lensing can sometimes magnify distant galaxies, making them easier to detect. Weak lensing (gravitational shear) by the intervening universe in general also subtly changes the observed large-scale structure. In 2004, measurements of this subtle shear show considerable promise as a test of cosmological models.**
en.wikipedia.org...
What was up-to-date theory then is only partially disproven.
I would like to focus on what you said about nobody else seeing this. Didn't see the hawaii webcam link I guess. Try the links at the end of the post. The thing is, a lot of people are seeing. The CNN story on a brown dwarf star planet "already in" our solar system is likely why they're airing it. Maybe a psyop. Who knows? Granted, some of these sites are not to be credible sources of info. Mostly some things you might find interesting and want verify at your own accord.

i54.tinypic.com...
www.youtube.com...://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/scientists-telescope-hunt-massive-hidden-object -in-space/?hpt=C2
news.blogs.cnn.com...
Didn't watch this 1. It was recommended.
www.youtube.com...#!

looks like alien mothership too me.

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
reply to post by pazcat

 

I would like to thank you. Its been 20 yrs since Ive done any real studying in astronomy. Still a lot to go through. That said, get comfortables. You're going to a minute.

You know what? It shows that it has been a while too.
I don't think your about to give me a lesson but we shall see.

**Some caution is required in describing structures on a cosmic scale because things are not always as they appear to be. Bending of light by gravitation (gravitational lensing) can result in images which appear to originate in a different direction from their real source. This is caused by foreground objects (such as galaxies) curving the space around themselves (as predicted by general relativity), deflecting light rays that pass nearby. Rather usefully, strong gravitational lensing can sometimes magnify distant galaxies, making them easier to detect. Weak lensing (gravitational shear) by the intervening universe in general also subtly changes the observed large-scale structure. In 2004, measurements of this subtle shear show considerable promise as a test of cosmological models.**
en.wikipedia.org...
What was up-to-date theory then is only partially disproven.

Now this whole section as nice as it is has what exactly to do with the picture in the video?
Once again you need to make yourself clear, what are you exactly talking about here? Are you implying that you are seeing a gravitational lens in the photograph? I don't know I'm confused because a minute ago you were seeing stars. It would help to know what you think the photo is of and how you think it was taken.

I would like to focus on what you said about nobody else seeing this. Didn't see the hawaii webcam link I guess.

Are you seriously trying to use that video as evidence? And with that goes your credibility, you have to be kidding me right? As someone else mentioned did you even read anything that was posted on that page, maybe have a look. Even the uploader of the video was big enough to admit his mistake and I quote....
"HI YOUTUBE AND FRIENDS THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR COMMENTS THE RED SHINING STAR IN THIS VIDEO IS M 42 ORION'S NEBULA "
Maybe you should do the same unless you see something else. You shouldn't even have to study astronomy to know what one of the most promininent features in the night sky is.
Terrible theory and not evidence of much apart from people's gullibility.

Try the links at the end of the post. The thing is, a lot of people are seeing.

No they aren't, where are the thousands of reports of people seeing this new object in the original video that should be coming out of Australia by now?
All these links are completely unrelated to each other and the original video, which is after all what is in question here.

The CNN story on a brown dwarf star planet "already in" our solar system is likely why they're airing it. Maybe a psyop. Who knows?

It's nothing more than speculation, no brown dwarf has been found or seen or possibly even exists. There is flimsy evidence that one may exist a long way out but it has been far from being proved. I don't know whether it's a comprehension issue or not but I don't see how that is in any way whatsoever relevant to the picture in the video seeing as it's a hypothetical.


Granted, some of these sites are not to be credible sources of info.


Correct about that, and the ones that are credible have been clearly misunderstood by you.

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Actually I'm learning the lesson. I forget how closed-minded some people can be grasshopper. I initially offered up a story I found interesting and got into a debate over the sharing of this find. I haven't extensively researched it,yet. Just ran across it. I waste time arguing my position to you when there's no point to it. The Corrupt News Network link was not misunderstood by me. You just didn't fully comprehend it. I have a couple hours a day to play on this box while you just have time on your hands and you want to make some noise. This is just passing along a story I ran across. Nothing more. I mostly follow political motives for using this site. Like you, I'm a somewhat skeptical person, with exception, I wait and see before I speak. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
I run across unusual stuff, I pass it along. A possible start to research project for someone. This adds to an old legend that has been told for more than 3,000 years by generations and wall paintings in every part of the globe. I have always been an avid listener of native american stories, The mayans since the 90's and on. The original literature I read before the glorifying by media and skeptics stated this 'winged destroyer' would be visible by the end of this year. The name roughly translates to coming change in all the ancient cultures.
I would offer you to pursue something a little more material 'why hasn't someone seen it already' when there are hundreds coming forward making these claims everyday. Even with this site 200k members, you have a substantial number of members that are familiar with the topic. And their info related on it, like my links is all interpretation, with a little common sense. Take a look at the events happening on a global scale. Got a excuse for the recent flare up in earthquake, volcanic and solar activity?
Someone asked for a link to position. These coordinates offer the object to which distance is a matter of who you ask. They all confirm that is is closer than in the 60's and even closer in 99. Again distance seems to be a point of conflict.


09h 47m 59.0s
+13º 18' 53.3

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I was considering that it might be Galactus, but defer my comment to your Cylon raid.

Ok, I have researched this area of sky that this is supposed to be. Please tell me what you see when here. Do a search for Mercury, zoom out a couple clicks and hit the infrared and look a little left of the screen. I think I want to go pray. Anyone tell me what this is. It is at the same coordinates of the video.
www.google.com...

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
Ok, I have researched this area of sky that this is supposed to be. Please tell me what you see when here. Do a search for Mercury, zoom out a couple clicks and hit the infrared and look a little left of the screen. I think I want to go pray. Anyone tell me what this is. It is at the same coordinates of the video.
www.google.com...

edit on 22-8-2011 by Hillbilly123069 because: (no reason given)

They will come and tell you that it is CW Leonis, a red giant.
Of course, you're just going to have to take their word for that...

That looks way to close to be a neighboring star. Cannot install google sky on an old g5 mac. Haven't been able to locate a distance reference on the object.
CW Leonis is a red giant. This would be visible without the aid of infrared.

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How close\far would you say the infrared object is from Mercury? Do you think Mercury is still intact? And do you think Comet Elenin is a brown dwarf star?

Originally posted by Antoniastar
reply to post by Hillbilly123069

 

How close\far would you say the infrared object is from Mercury? Do you think Mercury is still intact? And do you think Comet Elenin is a brown dwarf star?

I spent a couple hours last night trying to find that out with no success.

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OK, thanks for gettin back to me on it. I`ll keep scopin the skies. Stellarium or no, soon we should be able to see more signs of changing times with naked eyes.

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I don't think you're paranoid or ignorant or anything like that Billy. And everyonre knows that in astronomy thngs have been discovered by overzealous amateurs and just plain old amateurs. At this point, I'm gonna play it safe and say I like your enthusiasm. Even an astronomer would tell you to keep watching those skies my friend.
Not to dismiss this in any way either.

oh man you can actually see some moons/objects around it! This is exciting.

Can anybody put a snapshot up of this thing! Im on iphone..... Errrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!

Second line.........errrrrrr i wanna see i wanna seeeeee!!!!

This is the best image I could find. I guess you save and blow it up. Top image is what everyone is trying to say is CW Leonis. I point out again, a red giant can be seen without the aid of infrared detection. This cannot be seen without it.

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
That looks way to close to be a neighboring star. Cannot install google sky on an old g5 mac. Haven't been able to locate a distance reference on the object.
CW Leonis is a red giant. This would be visible without the aid of infrared.

edit on 22-8-2011 by Hillbilly123069 because: (no reason given)

Yep, that was my thinking on it, too.
Oh, but, what do I know, right?

Also,
How old are these pictures in Google Sky?