The Way, The Truth, and The Life

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
Have you ever noticed that if you made a book of Jesus' teachings from the four gospels alone (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) it would be quite small?

Have you considered that this small bit of material from him could possibly be esoteric teachings, that if true, would bring you into a new appreciation for who he is?

Have you considered there might be more people aside from the authors of those books who may have come in contact with him, and were even taught by him?

consider where these stories i posted came from....

In 1881 an English minister, Rev. G. J. Ouseley, got hold of a hitherto unknown, not rewritten evangelical text. This uncorrupted text has century after century been secured from all falsification in a buddistic monastary in Tibet, since the day a man has hidden it there, an man of the Essene society. Ouseley translated the Aramaic text and gave it the name The Gospel of the Holy Twelve. It has later been translated into German.

During the last century also many old fragments of the gospel have come into light. Some of them have been found in old libraries and other from excavations. These fragments are called Logins or Agraphas. They a older than and more original than the canonized gospels. Their great value is due to the fact that they are uncorrupted. The curious thing is, however, that many parts of these fragments mostly agree, word for word, with the Gospel of Ouseley, though they are completely missing in the canonical gospels.

The Hungarian physician, Prof. Edmond Szekely, found some ten years ago a evangelical text in the royal library in Wien, written in old Slavonian language; he copied it. Later he found the original to the old Slavonian translation in the Vatican library. The original, that was translated into the Slavonian language, was written in Aramaic, Szekely in 1937 published the parts which deal with the health of the human body, about 1/8th of the text. His pamphlet was published in German under the name of Heliand.

reply to post by Akragon


Well, how neat is that! All things are possible

Now, I have one more question and really think this one out because I can see by your writings that you like to read and explore this stuff.

The authors of the four gospels, as short as the texts are - why was there a need to put timestamps into the stories and parables? Examples:

1. When Andrew and John first decided they wanted to know where Jesus was staying and spent the day with him, then they note it was "about the 10th hour" which would be around 4 in the afternoon.

2. The woman at the well. The disciples go in to town to buy some lunch and he has a fascinating talk with a woman, it's noted it's about midday or noon.

3.He meets a Roman solider on the road, whose son has a fever - the fever leaves the boy, and it's noted that the fever left about the 7th hour - or 1 in the afternoon.

When you understand that these timestamps were given for confirmation signs for you and me, then you'll understand the "Way."

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

It seems we are both saying essentially the same thing. The Mt. Sinai discovery is amazing. Jacobovici was not the one to discover Sinai in Syria. He only used the work of the guys below. Here is the real video:

LINK
Bob Cornuke and Larry Williams are your guys.

I didnt say Jacobovici discovered Mt. Sinai in Syria, its in the sinai penninsula held by the Egytpians near a military base. Thats where he discovered Mt. Sinai and it has everything ontop of the plateau as was said in the bible.

reply to post by Myrtales Instinct


maybe instead of playing a guessing game you might explain your theory...

I don't really need confermation of anything so... If you believe whatever you're talking about is "the way"

Please elaborate

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I can respect that......

I understand you're points. there is still the whole "Faith" thing. I can not bring meself to do that part.
I was raised Southern Baptist. When I was in Sunday school, I kept getting in trouble for asking the "wrong" questions.....

I do believe there are good religious folks out there. I just haven't met any. The ones I thought
were Christian People turned out to be the "I'll sin all week and ask for forgiveness at Sunday Service" people.

I do believe that Peace is the answer....It's a beautiful concept!!

Originally posted by LeRoy1968
reply to post by Akragon

 

I can respect that......

I understand you're points. there is still the whole "Faith" thing. I can not bring meself to do that part.
I was raised Southern Baptist. When I was in Sunday school, I kept getting in trouble for asking the "wrong" questions.....

I do believe there are good religious folks out there. I just haven't met any. The ones I thought
were Christian People turned out to be the "I'll sin all week and ask for forgiveness at Sunday Service" people.

I do believe that Peace is the answer....It's a beautiful concept!!

Its not about faith my friend... faith is for those that do not understand. Those of faith end up following one who does not understand...

Let me explain...

Peace can not come without love.... Defined as Selflessness.....

If you look to the words of the one who knew God, you will find love and truth...

The fact is everyone returns to the source which is God....regardless of your "sins"... And its said once there you will be judged by your actions in your life....

IF we all return to the same place... We are all part of the same whole...

IF we are all part of the same whole, what other answer is there but to listen to what HE said...

Love your neighbour, and love God..... Loving your neighbour is in fact... Loving God...

IF everyone understood that Fact... There would be world peace

It is the path

reply to post by Akragon


First of all when you quote scripture you should provide the chapter and verse for reference (just a word of advice).

P.S
If I feel this thread requires a serious reply I'll edit it later.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Akragon

 

First of all when you quote scripture you should provide the chapter and verse for reference (just a word of advice).

P.S
If I feel this thread requires a serious reply I'll edit it later.

edit on 8-11-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

The scripture i quoted did not come from your bible... So if i chose not to give a reference to it, that is my choice...

And by the way, if you're refering to my OP... the next post i made is the reference

reply to post by Akragon


Could the God you speak of be "The Great Spirit" ?
Have you ever met God?
I'm not meaning to be confrontational, I'm just curious if you had met God, how?
If you haven't, that IMO goes back to faith. I don't have a problem with people that have faith.
As a matter of fact, I am somewhat envious of them. I wish I could "just have faith" at times....

Originally posted by LeRoy1968
reply to post by Akragon

 

Could the God you speak of be "The Great Spirit" ?
Have you ever met God?
I'm not meaning to be confrontational, I'm just curious if you had met God, how?
If you haven't, that IMO goes back to faith. I don't have a problem with people that have faith.
As a matter of fact, I am somewhat envious of them. I wish I could "just have faith" at times....

No worries my friend

The God i speak of is more then just "the great spirit" it isn't an entity... it is the all, the whole...

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

If matter can not be created or destroyed, and all things are made by him... I personally believe all things were made OF him... In the beginning there was ONE, and all things came from the one... this also coinsides with the "big bang theory" all things came from a singularity...

So techinically i've met many parts of God, and so have you...

Faith comes from knowledge, and with knowledge of the spirit... God will show you what you need to know through experiences... IF of course that is what you truely seek...

No man can prove the existance of God to another... the only way to prove Gods existance is to prove it to yourself... IF that is what you seek, he will make himself known to you.

I have no issue with people of faith, though there are people that have faith, and there are people that know.

The first step is realizing that God is not some man in the clouds waiting to spike a lightening bolt at you if you sin As he said...

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


The physical world is a great distraction that seperates us from God, even makes us believe that we are apart from God... This simply isn't true... God is always with you because you are a part of him...

So if you want to have "faith" like you say, realize that you are a part of God, one of his children... as is everyone else... with that realization you must also understand that what you do to others you also do to yourself. This is backed by Jesus as well...

Love God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself... because through loving your neighbour, you're loving God.

Love is the path my friend... Understand what love is, and you will see God.

reply to post by Akragon

Unfortunatly in the past few weeks i've been called a witch

Don't despair, or feel bad, the word "witch" means "one who is wise." As a Wiccan myself, I do not see a thing wrong with the word.

I will agree the New Testament stories have a lot of wisdom in them, and the man they speak of was a lot like me, mostly alone with his ways and thoughts, against the established religions and the "money changers," (Bankers, Lenders)
Loved children, and women, and did not mind anyone, even if sick, or of a different faith or way of living. Today's Christians think they know everything, and label everything not them as evil and satanic. And they attempt to get you to join them. They say they want to "save you." I ask from what?" they say, "from Hell." Well, it is their Hell, after all, I have a much better place to go. You can call me a Witch anytime you want to.

reply to post by autowrench


my friend..

its not the name, its the fact that i know very little about wicca... Any religious post i make involves Jesus in some way. So calling me a witch is just ignorance...

I have no issue with any personal belief, but using the word "witch" as an insult is laughable...

If anything i would be more insulted if someone called me a Christian... At least most wiccans understand their religion... sadly i can't say the same about most Christians.

Either way name calling is pointless, though it did inspire me to make this thread

reply to post by Akragon


"Faith comes from knowledge and with knowledge of the spirit"
I was raised Southern Baptist and was in attendance most Sundays.
I believe I am informed and I still don't see it.
Honestly, I am really not trying to be facetious and I do Respect your point of view.

"So if you want to have "faith" like you say, realize that you are a part of God, one of his children... as is everyone else... with that realization you must also understand that what you do to others you also do to yourself. This is backed by Jesus as well"

I'll chew on this for awhile.

reply to post by Akragon

If anything i would be more insulted if someone called me a Christian... At least most wiccans understand their religion... sadly i can't say the same about most Christians.

Yes, I guess using the word in that context could be considered a personal insult. The Church made the word a really bad name, and associated it with other bad names they often use. As for an understanding, yes, when I decided to become a Wiccan, I was told to study for a year and a day. When I asked study what? "Everything about Wicca. Everything that comes to your hand, read, and read again. Knowledge is power." So to even be a Wiccan, one must have a full understanding of what it means, and what is expected of you. We do not have a Devil to blame things on, we accept the blame when we make a mistake, and yes, we make mistakes too. We do not stand about waiting for a Saviour to come rescue us, we know that we must save ourselves. We go through life with an open mind, because we know it only works when open. We do not try to shove our ways down anyone's throat with threats of Hellfire and Brimstone.