Several dead in series of terrorist attacks in southern Israel

Can be summed up in two words " False Flag". I wonder which way the thousands who are demonstrating in Israel will jump when the cluster bombs start burning the ears off children in Gaza. Beforethe usual subjects bleat up with and eye for an eye and its only defense, can I remind you that as one we all sat here watching the murders taking place during cast lead. We grew to love that chicken and all it stood for and watched the cluster bombs fired indescrimanatly over schools.

Dont waste you breath on me in trying to change my views on the Israeli inhumane methods of dealing with the Palestinians.

So congress goes on break and a huge group of our (U.S.) legislators travel to Israel. 2 weeks later, this. Anybody else see a connection here? I assumed they were making plans for war on Syria since the state dep. just told all Americans to gtf out of there. They (US and Israeli Governments) are up to something nefarious, nothing like a good war to stimulate the economy.

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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by Swills
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Real quick post to your assumptions and this'll be the last one to you. Do you know me? Do you know what I stand for? Do you know my views on the Middle East and Israel? NO you don't. You assume, just like I assume about you based on your weak arguments and screen name.

I'm all for Israel, Palestine and peace in the middle east. Just like I'm all for the USA, UK, France, etc, I love the people but can't stand the Gov't.

I support Israel, I do not support its Gov't

edit on 18-8-2011 by Swills because: (no reason given)

You're asking me questions I could easily mirror back to you. I know you by the tone of your posts, and I am sure you are not "for" Israel just like I'm not "for" Nazi Germany.

Now, do you know me? Do you know my stance? You only assume so by throwing weak arguments (sorry, not even arguments yet) at me.

...
When you intend on making this a real debate I'll be more welcome to hear it. So far you are throwing half-assed personal conclusions then you whine about how I don't know you. Pathetic and immature. Not that I expected anything better than someone with your awfully twisted opinions.

Europeans are NOT real jews just converts simple as that, no claim over the holy land, same with euro christians simple

Where do you and others get these ideas? This is crazy! Are you saying the real Jews are Black people or something else in nature? Explain your views! How can you say a huge statement like this and not back it up.

They are not euro just like there are no Peruvian hindus and sikhs

So, what you're saying that converts are not the originals so it doesn't matter about them? Is that what you're saying?

3 of G-d's commandments are to love Jews, non-Jews, and converts to Judaism.

To love other Jews--Leviticus 19:18

To love converts--Deuteronomy 10:19

Not to hate fellow Jews--Leviticus 19:17

There many laws and commandments for Jews and Non-Jews to love and care for one another. There is nothing in Judaism ordering Jews to enslave gentiles. Of course there are black sheep. Just like in every belief system out there.

But if your of European decent then you have no direct blood line to the so called holy land, you can practice the faith all day long but you have no historical claim to the land and therefore you are just a part of the problem.
Religion is just a bull# story and thats it just face it.

That doesn't make sense! You're going with this claim that Jewish converts of European decent are in fact fake Jews and therefore have no claim to their land or faith. I'm no Zionism and not 100% of European decent. But as I stated with the commandment converts are to be loved and welcomed. HaShem will settle things out. I'm just confused by your claims.

Your confused because you have been brainwashed

Well I guess right back at ya! I don't understand you're position about Jews, their faith, and the land of Israel. But there is no point in arguing. If you have sources to share with me and other users then share. Statements are just statements.

All your life you have been told you are jewish and now you believe it. IE. brain washed

I was born Jewish but just started studying Judaism. Not brainwashed or anything like that. In fact I saved my own money for my Hebrew bible (Tanach). Which I have been studying here and there. I like Judaism. It's me! I also respect non-Jews and people who just like to live secular life styles.

Ashkenazi jews are a european version (convert)of the middle eastern jews, to be honest you are probably closer related to Romanian gypsies.
Your blood would tell you that if its pure enough but still it would still say you have a European bloodline.
The euro jew has spoilt the life of the M.E. jew and you just don't want to face it. Like I said you can follow the faith but you can't change your personal history. You or your parents were probably the first time your bloodline ever stepped foot in the middle east

edit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)

From the sounds of it you're mad! I mean mad like crazy! I continue to ask you to source you're information. This is not a debate to win or lose. I'm multiracial but I'm Jewish and yes it is a way of life. The only three countries I ever been in were U.S, Mexico, and Canada. Other then that I haven't been to Europe or the Middle East.

So your not a jew just a hater of Palestinians and a destroyer of their homeland from a distance still we've made a pretty box along the way LOL

You don't even know what I am. Your logic doesn't make sense and you act like a child. Please grow up pal!

You dont know what YOU are, I know your not a real jew.
PS the pretty box is the multi ragial i mean multi gray boxes on your screen.
Been playing with you and IG all night!!
but that said YOU ARE NOT A JEW just a brainwashed son of some distant convert!!

Well I'm not playing around or really taking this serious. You're just another individual with your own beliefs out there. I could care less what you believe a Jew is and what makes a Jew legit. But I can say I'm back by HaShem.

Anyway ive got a good film to watch convert fake jew boy . Have fun working out what you are, your probably a somali or something equally 'unique'
Is Kabalah still the latest craze?

Thanks for the comment. I already know I'm a child of G-d and will follow Him the best I can.

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

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i have to say that i would be very much like to understand your point of view more.
'debates' like this so rarely seem to show the israeli POV in a terribly sympathetic light.

i fully accept the points you make in respect of the australian/aboriginal, american/native american situations, but it has been clear for some few years now that those tactics were unnacceptable and inhumane, to the point of reparation.
of course, i dare not make any assumptions as to which side of that equation you may be on, but there seems little debate on that point by your own admission.

i do realise that the historical life of the jewish people has not been one of ease with their neighbours, and one has to wonder at the sanity (from every angle) of the balfour declaration, but surely you can see that those days have gone?
is that what i am mis-understanding in your words...do you live so far in the past?
i seem to understand, from what you have said, that you believe that all westerners hate israel? there certainly appears to be that kind of 'rhetoric' (for want of a better word) in your words, is that how you think?

i guess i shall have to apologise if i sound adversarial in any way; which point, i find a tad irritating.
i take very great exception to that old chap in rome with his ill gotten gains, yet it seems on that subject i retain my rights to free speech.
i am extra-ordinarily outspoken on the corruption that is our political system, and it is my right to speak as i find.
could you possibly tell me exactly who it has been that has attempted to curtail my right to think and speak as i wish on the subject of israel?

but i digress; i really am trying to understand your point of view, i feel quite sure i would be the same if my back was up against the wall.
it does rather seem that there is a growing anti-israel 'vibe', but i really don't think the 'vibe' is directed against the jewish people. i think there is a perception problem going on here.

do you really think that gentiles are cattle? do you really feel contempt for the goyim? is that truly representative of the jewish people? do you know that that is what we are told?
did you happily answer 'yes' to any of those questions?
what are you told to believe? do you have the only honest governing body in the world?

i realise that i am asking an awful lot of questions of you, but i am afraid i have an enquiring mind.
i should also very much like to know why we allow ourselves to be divided by old mens egos.
i am very much afraid that i shall have better luck teaching my big toe to hunt truffles!
hugs x

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Ahhh,but G-d punishes His people.
That is why Israel is surrounded by her enemies.
Israel is being punished for her past transgressions.
When the Messiah returns,He will save Israel from
being completely destroyed.

Did you ever stop to think the reason why they are being punished is because there is supposed to be no state of Israel until after the return of the messiah? By supporting the state of Israel you are going directly against the word of god.

That's what I'm talking about. It's Christians trying to make sense of their beliefs. The Messiah hasn't come yet but soon. The Messiah promised by G-d. If you'd like to understand more just ask!

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Tell me. If you were forced from your home, subjected to live some refugee camp without access to enough food, water, medicine while the rest of the world sat on its backside and allowed it happen. Would you just twiddle your thumbs and hope things got better, or would you fight back?

Hmm...could arguably be the Jewish settlers in Gaza who were evicted a few years ago for the sake of the 'Peace Process' as one of the preconditions to peace. 5+ years on after 'Returning the land' to the palestinians, the evicted Jews are still in tents and temporary housing (have a look for yourself), and the rockets are still flying into Israel from the newly liberated Gaza. I know there is more to this than meets the eye, and pawns on either side are useful. Does the Israeli government care about their citizens? No. Does the PLO/Hamas care about their citizens? No. We can continue to point fingers or move on from here....

Originally posted by casinoed
There is one possibility not to be disregarded entirely: a false flag operation ordered by Netanyahu's beleaguered government to turn attention (domestic and internationally) away from the protests taking place throughout the country.

Nothing is ever as it seems.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

More people will die, seems the Wealthy Nation's way of dealing with these things.

Ok best way to make everyone give up the protest and go home is to remind them how much they are hated for being who they are and to remind them the enemy is right on the doorstep.
Create a situation whereby they come running back into the fold screaming in terror and they wont leave again.

So lets arrange this state of psychology its very easy, we have done harder things, lets just have a terrorist attack, then we play hav negala and remind the citizens of our promise to wipe the arabs out.
we can also start with legislation for safety of israel, anyone who is not 100% behind israel is to regarded as suspect and treated as such.

I bet their is some sort of israeli patriot type act going to be mentioned within the knesset fairly soon.

somebody earlier stated if it was fair then israel would be firing the same amount of rockets back at the arabs.
Yes great idea, but make it very fair by giving the arabs bulldozers and military lookout positions within your conservative neighbourhoods with masses of ammunition and no responsibility too.
Also chemical weapons like those fired over the refugee camps and nuclear weapons would make it absolutely fair, the abraham option as a response to the samson option would make it fair.
you said it but what you meant was, F.A.I.R (Full Auto Israeli Response) meaning whatever our enemy does to us we do back and kill loads of civilians as well a hundred times over, and then bleat about how unfair the world is to you and how the arabs are still provoking you, and how israel never does anything to deserve this provocation or it's reputation.
you make me want to puke.

Originally posted by drfeelme
Israel needs to listen to RON PAUL
and defend itself..

Nuclear warheads on Iran and anyone
who supports terrorism.

This will rid the world of evil for the better.

So we should knock out Israel as well? They are terrorist also and has attacked America numerous times. If any other country had done to America what Israel has done we would have turned them into a pit in the sand. Imo that is what we should have done after their cowardly attack on the USS Liberty.

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these crazy muslim arab fanatics should be killed slowly. Attacking Innocent civilians and
children on a bus (intentionally).Sick bustards...

Its time to get rid of these fanatic Arab muslims from our world once and for all.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Got here before me!

This is defo a false flag attack. I mean come on, it can't get more obvious than this. People have to realise that these people (TPTB) are well prepared to sacrifice their own citizens for their "greater cause".

110% CORRECT. Case in point, the invasion of Iraq over "weapons of mass destruction", which by the way, have yet to be found. And another fine example is the Vietnam War Gulf of Tonkin incident (see 8-1-2008 ATS thread Gulf of Tonkin Hoax Confirmed by NSA Report)

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Good I say and this is why:

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Originally posted by eNaR

110% CORRECT. Case in point, the invasion of Iraq over "weapons of mass destruction", which by the way, have yet to be found. And another fine example is the Vietnam War Gulf of Tonkin incident (see 8-1-2008 ATS thread Gulf of Tonkin Hoax Confirmed by NSA Report)

Ignore facts? Is that your motto?

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

Read more: www.nypost.com...

Wired

Hundreds of WMDs


What happened to "deny ignorance"?

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by drfeelme
Israel needs to listen to RON PAUL
and defend itself..

Nuclear warheads on Iran and anyone
who supports terrorism.

This will rid the world of evil for the better.

So we should knock out Israel as well? They are terrorist also and has attacked America numerous times. If any other country had done to America what Israel has done we would have turned them into a pit in the sand. Imo that is what we should have done after their cowardly attack on the USS Liberty.

Attack on the US liberty web site (www.uss-liberty.com...): Attack on the US liberty is a mystery without an end

UNBELIEVABLE !

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by buster2010

 

these crazy muslim arab fanatics should be killed slowly. Attacking Innocent civilians and
children on a bus (intentionally).Sick bustards...

Its time to get rid of these fanatic Arab muslims from our world once and for all.

Oh really? How about Israel dropping white phosphorous on a UN school? Even after they claim they have never used white phosphorous? You call the fanatics sick nothing is sicker than rewarding and promoting a baby killer like Israel does. The Zionist that are running Israel are no better than Hitler. Oh yeah that's right the Zionist worked with Hitler.

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I guess Israelites still have not learned from the abuses they suffered during WWII since now they see fit to treat Palistinians in the same manners they had endured. They only seem a step away from concentration camps and horrid experiments themselves. I would wonder what they would secretly do if they did wage all out war on the Palistinians? I honestly don't have much of a side in this fight but I will say it seems like they are taking a page right out of Hitlers play book...and KARMA's A BITCH!

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by eNaR

110% CORRECT. Case in point, the invasion of Iraq over "weapons of mass destruction", which by the way, have yet to be found. And another fine example is the Vietnam War Gulf of Tonkin incident (see 8-1-2008 ATS thread Gulf of Tonkin Hoax Confirmed by NSA Report)

Ignore facts? Is that your motto?

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

Read more: www.nypost.com...

Wired

Hundreds of WMDs


What happened to "deny ignorance"?

Found in 2003 and 2004..... Well I don't know everything and can admit it ? How about the Gulf of Tonkin incident - Do you deny that.....