Oil Rising from Macondo Well: BP Hires Fleet of 40 Shrimp Boats to Lay Boom Around Deepwater Horizon

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Now that you mention that about Universities being contracted by BP I recall reading about some of that at the time. If I'm reading it right now, BP contracted with them for periods extending out quite a way into the future as well, correct? This all means citizens couldn't even get them to do an entirely new research project on the BP well head and surrounding area due to these contracts? If That is all correct, then I suppose it would just about take an act of Congress to break those contracts.

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Sadly it is the workers who were being told to hurry and complete the job who will be on trial, not the corporation or the head guys.

The trial is starting in February.

BP trial

*sigh* Live in the area.

Was told just now by my father in law that it's on the local news as the following:

Coast Guard reports that the oil is ONLY a sheen, with no proof that it is oil. The cap that they put on it is still holding.

870 AM WWL is continuous news coverage and local talk shows, while the TV station is more about soundbites. For those worried about the Gulf Coast, that is what the Gulf Coasts listens to.

What we do have right now is a paper mill bayou water dump in St. Tammany, and there are a lot of people cleaning up the dead fish and turtles from that b.s.

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im suprised that nobody has mentioned anything about that dead dolphin laying on the beach next to them oil logs please take a peek and stay out of that nasty water

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As a Louisiana boy, I joined ATS thinking I might find people who question irrational authority and irrational wackos alike. As you are learning, being from the area, most folks on here believe whatever equates to their preferred belief system. I can tell these people that I've been in the Gulf personally but hey WILL NOT BELIEVE anything that offends their religious beliefs that go against their hardcore following of youtube, local trial lawyers, and other opportunists(even though they have no personal experience of our reality). The sad part is that they play a big part in exacting of harsh judgements against real families who do actually deserve real money from BP. BP uses jackasses like ATS fools to prove in court that those opposed to them them are conspiracy theory whackos. Some of the fools on here think they are doing something good when they are really helping to screw families over. Crap.

Yeah, I remember the mess on here post-Katrina. That was rough. But then, everywhere was rough.

What is good about giving them the option of following 879 AM is that since most of these are open talk shows, the paranoids FROM THE AREA call and spew, and damn near everything is aired publically. Since is is so local, most things are a drive away, so we can check up on what is being said. There has been a few times where I've felt the need to verify, and gone and checked things out for myself.

Originally posted by louieprima
perplexed,
Don't get me wrong. I like your dedication. However, let's stick to the facts. The only sources connecting the recently found sheen to the Macondo Well are internet oil spill blogs, most of which have reported very erroneous and exxaggerated things in the past.
They usually use "primary" sources that either do not check out or are misquoted.

I would believe these "primary sources" before I would believe the Big Polluter who has lied, covered up, coerced,and spent tons of money buying adwords to direct anyone seeking info about the spill to their websites where they covered up the truth.

I am really starting to think that you must work for BP.

The sheen that has been reported is not that close to the Macondo location. Now whether or not it is connected to breakages in the seafloor has not been determined but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case.

What has been seen is simply a "sheen". A sheen is not good, but neither is it something to get hyper excited about. The real Oil Spill involved thick sludge. Small sheens are relatively common, sometimes coming from large ocean going vessels or from oil platforms.

I don't know for a fact that this sheen you are speaking of is the same as what the author of the blog was posting about.

BP admits to investigating new sheen

I will wait to hear what this pilot has to say.

In an effort to get to the truth, our go-to pilot, Bonny Schumaker from the enviro nonprofit On Wings of Care, will be flying over the site tomorrow. We will be posting details and photos from the scene immediately as they become available.

I am keeping an eye on this development, but so far, it is nothing to jump to conclusions about.

I'd really like to know who your "South Louisiana" sources are, especially when you refer to Bogalusa as being in "Northern Louisiana." It is in Southeast Louisiana, north of Lake Pontchartrain.

99% of everyone I've ever known in my life comes from South Louisiana. I have family in Houma, practically ground zero for Oil Spill issues, yet somehow I don't hear nearly as much about all these mystery sicknesses and new oil sightings that you have. Curious.

Anything north of I-10 is considered "north Louisiana" to people living south of it. I'm surprised you don't know that. I personally know many people who live in Louisiana. If the people you know claim to know nothing of which I speak, then obviously they are not my sources.

Have you even ever been to Louisiana?
Are your sources solely from the internet?

Yes and no.

I am keeping a very nervous eye on the new development but being alarmist helps no one.
Bloggers, alarmists, and conspiracy theorists merely play into the hands of BP. By associating you with the spill, people not in the know will assume all the anti-BP evidence is a bunch of baloney when they still have much to answer for. Real stuff.

This is, after all a conspiracy website. Maybe to you, peoples health is baloney; to the people who are sick, it is very real. Yes, BP still has a lot to answer for.

When you go into the marshes and Gulf, it isn't covered with dead animals. Exactly the opposite in fact. Do you occasionally see a dead dolphin or a dead bird floating or washed up? Sure you do. Animals die. Just because someone films a dead bird, it doesn't mean they are everywhere.

I have pictures taken recently in Freshwater City, LA of a dead dolphin with maggots eating at the abdomen, a dead bird and a dead coyote, all within feet of the shore. Growing up on the coast I didn't see animals dead like this.

Again, South Louisiana, at least on the surface of the water is just fine. Dolphins, birds of all sorts, and fish aplenty. Was just out there 2 Mondays ago.

Dolphin mortality has been higher and occasionally someone pulls up a sickly fish, and these are connected to the spill, but it doesn't mean that the Gulf has become some poisoned barren wasteland of death.

I'm pretty familiar with the Mississippi Coast, too. Saw plenty fishing and recreation boats out there.

By no means am I towing a line for BP. Quite the opposite. Rather than some internet hobby or cause, this subject directly affects my life and those that I love and care about. A culture and lifestyle that I hope to never leave. I hate BP. I just cringe when someone, whether good intentioned or not, turns the real issues (and there are very real issues) into fantasy ones.

The motto of Above Top Secret is "deny ignorance".

Just because I can't see the other side of the earth doesn't mean it does not exist.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it is not there. No-one is having "fantasies".

Please stick to facts and/or reputable sources. Primary ones.
There may be legs to this story but as of yet, the actual evidence is scant. It is a possibility that there is some connection between the sheen and last year's spill, but keep in mind there is plenty of activity in the Gulf and this may be nothing but a minor spill from another well (which happens from time to time with little effect).

I specifically asked in my OP if anyone else had heard about oil rising from the Macondo site. I am using the sources I have available. You can choose to utilize whatever sources you want in your own threads. The actual evidence when the well first blew was also very scant.

Fellow Lousianians, I know some of you are on ATS, chime in please....


As for the Pearl River Paper plant spill, that is still developing too. The paper plant has taken responsibility. Now it is up to the authorities in LA and MS to hold them accountable. We'll see how that turns out. Hopefully the chemicals will dissipate and become less harmful as they reach the Lake.

In my thread stating "the oil is still here" you read things by a fellow Louisianian, Cherri Foytlin. Do a search for her online and you will find that she spoke at the "Rally for Economic Survival;Lift the Moratorium" that was held shortly after the spill last year. You will discover how her spouse worked for a company that had a contract with BP and the problems she faced because of that and trying to care for their 6 children. You will discover how she walked from New Orleans to Washington DC earlier this year to try to garner attention that people in the Gulf are having problems and are being ignored. Go to youtube and listen to all the videos and speeches she has made.
Fellow Louisianians are speaking; you however are not listening.

Oh, something I remember from when they talked about seeing no more tarballs (oil logs) when they finally officially called this place cleaned up, is some of the older folk saying, "There's always been tarballs off x beach, long before the oil spill."

Now, do I think that all that happend is finished here? No. But I will go with local reports, for now.

As for the dolphins, this year's pregnant dolphins had a high number of stillbirths.

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Here's a tar log that was set on fire tonight. The video isn't the best but he posted it per my request.


www.youtube.com...


16 dead crabs on a stroll. This is NOT ordinary seafood/animal deaths.



youtu.be...

This saddens me. And this infuriates me.

www.zerohedge.com...

I will always support and use BP wherever possible to fill my car.

We're going to be dealing with oil issues for a long time to come. I expect it to not be over. But the atrocities of what a tar log or a bunch of dead crabs and dolphins is not evidence for a new leak. A new leak is evidence for a new leak, so until shrimpers/sport fishermen/ the coast guard/wildlife and fisheries start coming in with conflicting facts (notice FACTS not claims) over a new leak, it's not time to start reacting to a new spill. Can their hold break? Yes. The question is has it?

As for BP, just because they are the main blame does not mean that people will quit buying from them. You vote with your dollar, and BP is still getting paid across this country. We have friends we visit in other parts of the country. Thinking specifically about the previous trips up to Wisconsin to my husbands literally straddling the fence of communism and socialism high school buddy who can't stand coming back here because of how backwards this place can be. You know, the ENVIRONMENTAILST freak type? He buys BP oil because BP works with grocery companies to offer discounts on gas for who you buy groceries from. Cheaper matters more than his principles. It does for a lot of people.

So, while we are locally still angry and dealing with it in different ways, BP has been back to business as usual.

Think about it this way: Exxon Mobile has bounced back after theirs, and people don't even think about boycotting them. Heck, BP bounced back from their first leak closer inshore to Texas some years ago to be given the contract for the rig they put for this disaster.

Oh, and china had a similar leak at the same time as this one, and the only place that seemed to bring it up was Cajun country. I need to spend some time looking that one up, someday.

Oh, and tar logs will burn period. Dry logs burn period. We use petroleum products because they are combustible, period. So when this stuff is in the environment, it's going to be burnable. You don't need video for something like that. What bothers me most is how far inland some fo that crap gets. We had a drought for months here, and that stuff could catch on fire with little effort.

This recently in from Gulf Restoration Network after a pilot flew over what had been the Deepwater Horizon rig site
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Oil seen by Macondo well site

First, we spotted oil on the surface above the exact location where the Deepwater Horizon and Macondo well are located, in Mississippi Canyon Block 252. Take a look at the captions in the photos for coordinates. Obviously, from the air I cannot confirm that the oil is BP’s and from there Macondo well. I can only report that I spotted oil above that location. I reported this to the National Response Center and had a lengthy conversation with a Coast Guard official. Notice that the oil seems to be clustered in round formations. I have no idea why or how this could happen and neither could the USGC official. The formations are clearly rainbow in color and in some cases have also a brownish tint. Take a look:

The great news is he also saw a good amount of sea life as well!

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That is not the first swathe they've seen, and good of the boy to keep it conservative until everyone is sure. I do know that the dispersant they put in the water only got the oil to submerge, not break apart from itself, so there was long swathes of it out there for months after the leak was fixed.

Come on now.

Everybody raise their hands that own a SUV or has two or more vehicles. Do you have any plastic around the house?

We are all to blame.....F it, it is better than walking ten miles right

We can't have an oil giant going bankrupt now can we

Took public transit until I got married, and we have only 1 car.

But my dad's a top paid welder in his yard, which is part of the oil industry. As much as people are angry down here, biting BP is biting the hand that feeds you. Probably always will be.

this topic should have to stay in front of all other topics, in some kind of " very important ecological threads " section where you could find also Fukushima nuclear disaster topics, Monsanto GMO frankenfood topics ....
this is too important for us and our children's welfare and health to be covered up always by other threads into the darkness of the ATS archives until somebody finds it back and pushes it again in front of our eyes and responsability !!
This is all very sad, too sad, what stinking world are we going to live in ? and our children ??
Shame on you humanity !! Big shame !!! Shame on BP, Monsanto, Shell ( Northsea also oilspill ... ).

reply to post by Perplexedandconfused

Listen to CynicalDrivel. He knows what he is talking about. Also, 870 is a much better source than any blogger who's has a personal stake in making money from lawsuits. It is streamed on the internet.

"Denying Ignorance" is exactly what my posts are about. Much of your posting contains vast amounts of ignorance based on youtube videos. "Locals" who clearly have Pacific Northwestern or Northeastern accents and alarmist bloggers who either have an agenda or nothing better to do.

And please don't tell me what people in South Louisiana think. You clearly don't know nearly as much as you think you do. Just because people in the NOLA area sometimes joke that "anyone north of I-10 is a yankee" does not mean that Bogalusa is considered to be in "North Louisiana." It isn't. It's the on "Northshore" of Lake Pontchartrain. Monroe and Shreveport are in North Louisiana. Alexandria and Pineville are in Central Louisiana (or CENLA).

I invite all ATSers to come down to the Lousiana Coast. I assure you, that while everything is not 100% "hunky dory" you will see plenty of healthy wildlife, you can catch plenty of healthy fish, and you will be treated very hospitably. If you ask about the spill, you'll get some true stories about how BP ran the Federal Government around like their little servant and how cleanup workers got sick and BP is screwing them. Also, now that the media spotlight is off, BP is trying to avoid all payments to individuals and the government fines which should go to coastal restoration. That is the real story of whats going on down here.

For every youtube activist that might say otherwise, there are thousands of real Louisianians who will tell you the real problem now is the economic one created by the Obama Admin (as an after effect of BP's criminal negligence). They need to get the rigs working again. If you are interested, do a little real research or come on down. While considered evil by the "activists", Bobby Jindal will be re-elected in a huge landslide this fall. In other words, the vast majority of Louisianians, especially those in oil country, support him. Youtube and blogs do not reality make. If you want to use that as a jumpoff point to start research fine. Using youtube and blogs as a primary source is a good way to discredit yourself as someone to be taken seriously.

If you do tell the truth, perplexedandconfused will probably accuse you of being an agent of BP as was the case with me.

Perhaps I should accuse him/her of being a disinfo agent trying to misdirect attention from the real issues the state is dealing with. But in reality, he/she is likely just a good intentioned, if credulous, dilettante.

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Here is a great website done by the people who flew over the Gulf with pictures of the oil, slicks and sealife swimming about.

Why hasn't all the oil gone?

Here is a link to info regarding unemployment in Louisiana. According to the Louisiana Workforce Commission (August 19, 2011) considering there is a recession in the US and the moretorium, Louisiana has the 16th lowest unemployment rate in the US.

The number of private sector jobs in Louisiana has grown 6,900 over the month and by 39,100 since July 2010

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Not the best, but far from the worst.

LA Unemployment Data