Nikola Aleksic: Stop Chemtrails or...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


You are missing the point. There is an assumption that there is a difference between condensation trails of typical jet aircraft and chemical trails created by purpose made aircraft to spray aerosol of unknown content over populated areas.

This thread was not intended to be derailed by a discussion of aircraft pollution. Perhaps you can start a thread about jet pollution at ground level?

You may even develop an entire website? Although I probably wouldn't join since aircraft pollution involves no conspiracy like CHEMTRAILS.

Imagine all of the debunkers side tracking each other over the color of their socks or answering age old questions such as "why has nobody invented plaid spray paint?"

reply to post by zarp3333

Imagine all of the debunkers side tracking each other over the color of their socks

I think it is safe to say that 'chemical trails created by purpose made aircraft to spray aerosol of unknown content over populated areas' are not a different color of condensation trail.



Jeez, talk about 'baffle 'em with BS'.

reply to post by Frater210


Why do you bother to post anything on a thread about CHEMTRAILS if you think it's "rigamarole?"

Have you come here to add anything to the discussion or do you have some kind of hero complex? Are you going to save the ignorant from a belief that CHEMTRAILS exist?

I cant imagine spending time on a website devoted to Muslims and then referring to the Koran as rigamarole? I also find your use of the term "we" rather inclusive. Count me out of your opinion.

I am glad however that I can cause confetti to fall from your ceiling. I imagined you creating a wind in my house comprised of methane and hydrogen sulfide. It makes a blue flame if you light it.

Originally posted by zarp3333
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

You are missing the point. There is an assumption that there is a difference between condensation trails of typical jet aircraft and chemical trails created by purpose made aircraft to spray aerosol of unknown content over populated areas.

I was responding to someone who was complaining about the problems that pollution causes - AFAIK that person was not a debunker at all, and I was pointing out that pollution exists whether you can see the exhaust or not.

It wasn't me who missed the point

This thread was not intended to be derailed by a discussion of aircraft pollution. Perhaps you can start a thread about jet pollution at ground level?

I did - the lack of visible exhaust at ground level is directly related to chemtrails so I asked some pertinent questions - www.abovetopsecret.com...

You may even develop an entire website? Although I probably wouldn't join since aircraft pollution involves no conspiracy like CHEMTRAILS.

Imagine all of the debunkers side tracking each other over the color of their socks or answering age old questions such as "why has nobody invented plaid spray paint?"

Imagine all the chemmies actually understanding science??

reply to post by zarp3333

Have you come here to add anything to the discussion or do you have some kind of hero complex? Are you going to save the ignorant from a belief that CHEMTRAILS exist?

Both:

Yes, I have; start on page one and read through my posts. If you read slowly and carefully you will find that I have given a possible third way to think about the 'Chemtrail Phenomenon' instead of just the usual black and white thinking,

Yes, after coming out the other end of suffering over 'ChemTrails' for well over a decade I have taken it upon myself to ease the suffering of other 'chemmies'; I know it's weird but a guy has to have a mission, right?

Why do you bother to post anything on a thread about CHEMTRAILS if you think it's "rigamarole?"

I do it to point out the rigamarole. Recursive, huh? I think somehow that it is safer to do that with 'ChemTrails' than it is with Religion, especially Islam.

I imagined you creating a wind in my house comprised of methane and hydrogen sulfide. It makes a blue flame if you light it.

Dude, considering what I had for dinner you are lucky it is just your imagination.

reply to post by CherubBaby


But it's not the same as a cobb web. It's fresh spider web! You mean to have me believe that somehow "spider web like substance" is coming out of what I can only imagine are passenger planes, and no one has noticed? Come on now, people are smarter than that.

I guess even though it had all of the properties of a ballooning spiders web, it somehow isn't? Can you qualify why you think it came from persistent contrails?

Originally posted by zarp3333
What's more funny and ironic is the fact that you would take the time to join this forum and create such a cute unthreatening feminine character with rather masculine and threatening statement of dancing on reagan's grave just to post your opinion that steam is made of water.

I would suppose that you might get drinking water from steam stacks at pulp mills?

Well, resulting to personal insults. Speaks volumes for your argument. Which is what exactly?

A contrail is a contrail, persistent or not. Why must we explain every aspect of what is wrong with the "chemtrail" conspiracy to a different member every day? It's exhausting, you can understand why some debunkers are becoming jaded.

But yes, contrails are caused because water is a byproduct of combustion. Are you really going to argue otherwise?

ETA: On second thought, you are right. Let's cleanse ATS of dissent so that you may live in a fantasy world of conspiracy, especially when we have a conspiracy that we know the origin of.

There has been a huge uproar about GMO seeds in Serbia. In Croatia, many (poor) farmers went on strike after being forced to firstly buy GMO seeds and then destroy them after the government (EU) changed their mind. There is a massive campaign mounting in Serbia against GMO seeds. The fact that Serbians tend to be really conspiracy prone helps.

Originally posted by zarp3333
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

You are missing the point. There is an assumption that there is a difference between condensation trails of typical jet aircraft and chemical trails created by purpose made aircraft to spray aerosol of unknown content over populated areas.

This thread was not intended to be derailed by a discussion of aircraft pollution. Perhaps you can start a thread about jet pollution at ground level?

You may even develop an entire website? Although I probably wouldn't join since aircraft pollution involves no conspiracy like CHEMTRAILS.

Imagine all of the debunkers side tracking each other over the color of their socks or answering age old questions such as "why has nobody invented plaid spray paint?"

The point isn't to spray them over civilians, the point is to spray them over the farm fields. With winds and stuff its hard to keep it consistant. Think of chemtrails as commercialized crop sprayers.

reply to post by Essan


and further there are patents for technology that does work - that are not being used either

What if we found out that chemtrails were keeping us from some sort of 28 days later virus? what then? not all secret activity is dark.

reply to post by Essan


actually mate - they can [ prevent contrail formation ] - but it involves injecting chemicals into the jet exhaust - oh the horror

the USAF and NATO experimented with such technology on strategic manned bombers during the cold war

reply to post by ignorant_ape


And there are...GASP...paents for devices that are supposed to be able to suppress contrails too -

eg Patent 20100043443 - Method and apparatus for suppressing aeroengine contrails - www.freepatentsonline.com...

And U.S. Pat. No. 5,005,355 - Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor - www.everypatent.com...

Some previous patents are mentioned in the texts.

I'm sure someone is about to go nuts on these..

reply to post by adeclerk


What about the Chemtrail patent by the U.S Air Force?

ummm..im from Serbia and iv never seen this man on tv news..
so i doubt he can do much about this thing, let alone call people to streets..

Montenegro here, also did not hear of this guy before....

reply to post by GakunGak


that might be because he is of little significance , he claims to be the representative of the " ecological group " based in novi sad - a serbian town of 300k population

Go get a box of cereal and pour it outside on the ground.

Ants won't eat it.


Take the cereal and pour it in front of a pig.

The pig won't eat it.

If ants won't eat it...and pigs won't eat it.....you probably shouldn't be eating Genetically Modified food either. The toxin bacteria in it will grow in your rectum and eat your cells faster than your body can replace them, Cancer.

reply to post by adeclerk


Well I guess since I don't have a speech writer, I am going to have to say this as I feel it and have experienced it. I want to get one thing straight. I don't expect or care who or who doesn't believe me !!!! Thats on you. What you believe is your business and only your personal business. I say that respectfully. If you do believe, then thats good and if you don't it's not my issue.

As far as the Trails in trhe sky, ( I will call them that ) I will let you in on a bit of some inside personal history that I am close as close can be associated to. Since the truth is what I seek.in these ( Trails ) and their cause thereof. WATCH THIS NOW, LISTEN. I already know and have known and continue to know the cause is at best FOUL !

I will explain, people need to know. I have no shame in telling you I am a Veteran of THE USMC and my children are VETERANS Of THE USAF and ONE IS A PILOT !!!! if i need to debate or prove that , we can start another thread. In the meantime,The Milk of Human Compassion is not in the Arsenal Of the Deteriorated Govt that now Governs over the Country that I grew up in, was born in and have lived my life in!! I would go into to more detail but that chapter is no ones business that hasn't served and suffered for "The Cause" I will tell you this. Normal Jet Exhaust,and the (Trail ) it produces DISAPATES quickly and so does the (Trail ) behind the engines exhaust exit port !! The same is true for ( as you mentioned in one of your replies ) For Steam! It doesnt linger for hours in an open bathroom ! Hold that thought if you have one, and think about this as well. Regressing, I was 17 when I went into the Corps and I don't fly aircraft but I have seen them fly and my son flies and isnt it strainge my son told me I am correct and the ( Trails are not normal expulsion ) I am sick of telling my personal wittness to the foul thick ( Trails ) comming out of Aircraft at any given time and hanging like cream in heavy stripes and seperating slowly until they have a blanket of marble haze over area after area as the next pass is made and the process is completed and the sky is no longer blue or of natural color and it is foul and not natural and never happened until I was in my 40's. Don't let anyone people try to tell you this is NORMAL I WASNT SLEEP WALKING for 44 years.Don't bother to embarrass yourself by saying it is humidity affecting it when I have taken all the readings and comparisons for the last nine years and watched with sickened sadness in me, knowing this isnt right.I have friends in the Medical Profession and they agree that the rise in resperatory illness is through the roof since the early 2000's Not all are dying but people are getting sick on a grander scale than when we had smog machines called cars in the 60's and 70's etc.So it aint the smog !!. I could go on but I don't need to because I am telling my story.. I already know it is foul if for no other reason than for this last thought I will offer you and it may make you laugh. I don't care if it is perfumed Sparklets Purified Water causing it, NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO DEPRIVE PEOPLE OF BEING ABLE TO ENJOY A CLEAR BLUE SKY AND DEPLEATING THE JOY OF A PERSON WHO WANTS TO SEE A STAR FILLED SKY AT NIGHT THAT SHIMMERS !!!

PS . Do I have to explain that even water can be contaminated with low levels of Poisionous Chemicals that are not "Petrolium Based etc ) and when it turns to STEAM THE STEAM WOULD BE POISIONOUS !! That Chem and CONTRAIL Title given in an attempt to fool people into believing they are seeing things as they always have and must therefor be suffering from retardation that affects their memory is a bunch of Crap !! The lies are always for the same reasons. The PTB know that people of the world wouldnt go for it . The only thing that changes is the lie that we are meant and sometimes do believe !! Change We Can Believe In ! You better believe it. There are some foul things on the horizon and its not all comets and earthquakes. The hand of man will be the greatest terrorist !!!