Why Ron Paul Will Lose - and Why Ron Paul Has Already Won

Why he will lose:

Ron Paul will lose - simply put - because the people who fund campaigns and, more importantly, fund Washington cannot exist in a state where Ron Paul is the chief executive.

Julius Caesar was not killed by the senate because they feared his power growing - he was killed because they feared their power diminishing.

The machine that is the Republican party - with it's corporate interests and oil stocks - can't afford to have a President that is not "pro-war". Just as the Democrat funding machine cannot afford to have a President that is not "pro-welfare".

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Why he has already won:

Ron Paul is a glitch in the Matrix. He's not supposed to be noticed or given exposure. The Ron Pauls of the world are supposed to be marginalized and ignored.

But the tools that have been built to control and manipulate perceptions (and thus society) have turned on their makers and become the very weapons he now uses.

Mind you - when I say "he now uses"... I don't mean Ron Paul himself, but more importantly Ron Paul's message. The message that it doesn't have to be this way.

People are realizing that the world as they know it has constants that simply DO NOT have to be constants. The Federal Reserve, the IRS, Police State, restricted freedoms, endless wars, political partisanship....

Ron Paul was the Tea Party before the tea party existed. Ron Paul is the American people.

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What this means:

Ron Paul will not win the nomination for the Republican Party. It really doesn't matter how many people "vote" for him. HE... WILL... NEVER.... be given the keys to the car - PERIOD.

But what he's forced is a paradigm shift in the Republican party. They are now forced with two VERY tough decisions:
1. Nominate an erratic and uncontrollable dingbat like Bachman to pretend they are listening to the people
2. Nominate another puppet and lose their base forever.

Make no mistake about it - the Republican party is at a historic crossroads. They will either adpat and survive or stand firm and die...

Either way - Ron Paul has won.

Of course - all of this is just my crap opinion, and in full disclosure - I don't know #aki.

I think you put forward a very real assessment of this issue and I too think that it's likely the republican nominee will be a minority because the dems have Obama. It's the politically correct thing to do and I find it absolutely terrifying.

They might let him win the election so they can "take care of him" for good.

My guess

The question is, would that be enough for the American people to start a revolution?

Doubt it

Originally posted by gncnew

Ron Paul will not win the nomination for the Republican Party. It really doesn't matter how many people "vote" for him. HE... WILL... NEVER.... be given the keys to the car - PERIOD.

But what he's forced is a paradigm shift in the Republican party. They are now forced with two VERY tough decisions:
1. Nominate an erratic and uncontrollable dingbat like Bachman to pretend they are listening to the people
2. Nominate another puppet and lose their base forever.

Make no mistake about it - the Republican party is at a historic crossroads. They will either adpat and survive or stand firm and die...

Either way - Ron Paul has won.

Of course - all of this is just my crap opinion, and in full disclosure - I don't know #aki.

I agree....doesnt matter how popular he is getting and what votes he has.....there is now way TPTB will let him into office...and he is what America need right now.
I have a bad feeling about the next Prez and what he is going to do.

Originally posted by Anoynymoose
They might let him win the election so they can "take care of him" for good.

My guess

The question is, would that be enough for the American people to start a revolution?

Doubt it

That would be a little to obvious if they "took care of him"
I think if that happened the people would go ape @#!@ over that.

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I like this post. It has a great deal of truth. But..

"Never underestimate the power of a few committed individuals to change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

Margaret Mead

Originally posted by jaycen420

That would be a little to obvious if they "took care of him"
I think if that happened the people would go ape @#!@ over that.

I could see a "accidental" car crash or something ridiculous like that. Hell they could probably hit the kill switch on one of their mind controlled freaks, threat eliminated and someone to blame. win/win(kidding of course)

A Star and Flag for your crap opinion!

I think you read it right!

I just fear for the guy if he does look like the winning candidate!

I sort of agree with what you're saying.

Look at the bright side though. If RP gets the majority of the popular vote (which is very very possible) and still loses, the president-elect(appointed) will face further scrutiny by the people who are better informed on issues and better prepared to offer solutions. The noise will be deadening.

Originally posted by Anoynymoose

Originally posted by jaycen420

That would be a little to obvious if they "took care of him"
I think if that happened the people would go ape @#!@ over that.

I could see a "accidental" car crash or something ridiculous like that. Hell they could probably hit the kill switch on one of their mind controlled freaks, threat eliminated and someone to blame. win/win(kidding of course)

Oh the old "Manchurian Candidate" scenario?
Now that could be possible, make it look like some crazed psycho.
I dont think the car crash idea would work, look at the Lady Diana accident.
We knew it wasnt an accident

Yeah, that's probably a pretty a good assessment of the situation. He's all we have though.

And like you basically said: He's already introduced sanity into the Washington nuthouse...certainly in the hearts of the people.

Patriots often fall and never get to see the fruits of their labor come to fruition, but they fight anyway. Viva La Revolucion: The Ron Paul Revolution that is.

Ron Paul is responsible for packing the snowball of liberty and rolling it down the hill.

The people you speak of are either going to be just a little bit down the hill when the elections roll around, or they will be at the bottom of the hill when the snowball has reached critical mass.


I personally would want to be run over by the slightly smaller snowball to avoid complete annihilation.

Thanks a lot Debbie Downer..but I am not all that cynical..

I think he has a good shot at the presidency..I would pay very close attention to who his VP choice will be incase 'they' decide to take him out...

People just get too wrapped up in the messenger rather than just the message. Ron Paul is a messenger who has brought a message long hidden under the rug, it is not make or break if he wins, what is important however how far the message spreads. Jesus Christ was a messenger who brought a new message the establishment on all sides hated, they wanted him dead, and ended up crucifying him. Did his death end the message? Absolutely not, it propelled the message to new heights and the world was never the same again.

I do not expect Ron Paul to win the nomination, never have, but what I have expected out of this run for the Presidency is for it to get the people thinking, which is what the establishment hates more than the messenger. Like I said before, you can kill a messenger and if the message ended there then no problem, what is the problem for the establishment is that the message almost never just ends there.

The GOP will have a very important decision to make this decade; there will be millions of more Americans thinking in ways the establishment cannot manipulate into the present paradigm. Inevitably the party will have to either somehow reconcile the two warring factions, one will leave the party leading to a serious crisis over its future, or the Paul movement will take control over the whole party.

In 1912 the Republican old guard William Taft was challenged by the Progressive wing of his party, the election resulted in a split within the party giving a Democrat the White House for the first time since 1892 election and the last time until 1932 election. Roosevelt won second with the Progressive Party and all his followers left the GOP, in the end the GOP survived that battle and the Conservatives took control over every office of the party meaning the Progressives either went crawling back to the Republicans or joined the Democrats.

Our question now should be, if Ron Paul feels like this nomination was stolen from him will he run like Teddy did in 1912, dividing the GOP in half leading to an unknown future for the party or will he accept a loss as just what it is and move on? Either way by 2013 the politics will be changing whether the parties and establishment like it or not.

Good assessment.
I largely agree;
He wins because he is opening the eyes of many formerly sleeping Americans and...
as a result of that the "establishment" candidates may have to adopt some of his ideas, or at least work a heckuva lot harder to deceive us.
Thank you for the dose of reality. I occasionally think he could win it.

That being said, I still think he can win it.

Second line.

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Blasphemer! If he loses, it's because we didn't want our country bad enough. I stood a half mile up the road from the local polling site for the 2008 pres. election waving a Ron Paul sign. Freezing drizzle. It sucked, but I did something.

Originally posted by gncnew
Why he will lose:

Ron Paul will lose - simply put - because the people who fund campaigns and, more importantly, fund Washington cannot exist in a state where Ron Paul is the chief executive.

Julius Caesar was not killed by the senate because they feared his power growing - he was killed because they feared their power diminishing.

The machine that is the Republican party - with it's corporate interests and oil stocks - can't afford to have a President that is not "pro-war". Just as the Democrat funding machine cannot afford to have a President that is not "pro-welfare".

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Why he has already won:

Ron Paul is a glitch in the Matrix. He's not supposed to be noticed or given exposure. The Ron Pauls of the world are supposed to be marginalized and ignored.

But the tools that have been built to control and manipulate perceptions (and thus society) have turned on their makers and become the very weapons he now uses.

Mind you - when I say "he now uses"... I don't mean Ron Paul himself, but more importantly Ron Paul's message. The message that it doesn't have to be this way.

People are realizing that the world as they know it has constants that simply DO NOT have to be constants. The Federal Reserve, the IRS, Police State, restricted freedoms, endless wars, political partisanship....

Ron Paul was the Tea Party before the tea party existed. Ron Paul is the American people.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What this means:

Ron Paul will not win the nomination for the Republican Party. It really doesn't matter how many people "vote" for him. HE... WILL... NEVER.... be given the keys to the car - PERIOD.

But what he's forced is a paradigm shift in the Republican party. They are now forced with two VERY tough decisions:
1. Nominate an erratic and uncontrollable dingbat like Bachman to pretend they are listening to the people
2. Nominate another puppet and lose their base forever.

Make no mistake about it - the Republican party is at a historic crossroads. They will either adpat and survive or stand firm and die...

Either way - Ron Paul has won.

Of course - all of this is just my crap opinion, and in full disclosure - I don't know #aki.

hmm i gotta disagree.. but opinions are opinions.. theres a chance they might not pic him but you never know..

Originally posted by gncnew
Ron Paul will not win the nomination for the Republican Party. It really doesn't matter how many people "vote" for him. HE... WILL... NEVER.... be given the keys to the car - PERIOD.

And you know this how? It hasn't happen yet. He wont win if people like you keep thinking this way. It's no different than that of MSM saying "he's unelectable". With your mindset, it encourages people to "not vote" at all thus may be the only reason Paul wont win at all.

I am disturb that some of you people already gave up when it hasn't even started yet. Stop with this pessimistic thoughts, it doesn't help with anything whatsoever.
It is so annoying to finally see a worthy candidate only to hear people say "yeah great person he is but he'll never win so we don't care" This is no different than your take on this.