Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

reply to post by David291

Does all that count for the murdering sons of # that like to beat their children to death with a rod?

Punishment for crimes by youth in this day were handed out by family. There were no police or jails when these laws were first formulated. In most cases, punishment listed in the Bible was the capital offence. Jewish law was very lenient depending on the offence and this was administered by the judges of the people. In most cases, the harsh penalty was only the example of what could happen. The Hebrews were a very loving and family oriented culture.

Or stone people to death etc? I guess it does if you say sorry?

Again. Assumptions. Stoning was looked at as a capital punishment for the worst of crimes. When the people used this type of justice apart from the judges, they were not acting according to the law. Just as in our society, many people pull out their guns instead of going to court. Stoning was the harshest punishment appointed but not the only punishment. In most cases, only hardened criminals were made to suffer this punishment. Becoming a slave to work off the offence was the primary means of redeeming what was taken.

If you would also like to mention slavery in the Bible, you need to realize that slaves were working off crimes against others or were working off debt. In other cases, being a servant was an occupation by choice. Work for a land owner or starve. Servants were not slaves by forced labor. Bible slavery was a type of recompense.

Teach all nations. would that be /insert crusade here?

The Roman Catholic Church was and still is the apostate church (Antichrist). When Justinian stormed the gates of Rome in 537-538 (LINK), He established a connection between church and state that became the harlot of Revelation. The persecution of believers that followed was prophesied in Revelation 13. These verses will cycle around in our day and age and culminate in judgment of the Harlot. 1260 years later (1798), the second great awakening happened in the church and starts the judgment of the earth. This ends with Christ returning within the generation that sees Israel become a nation. That generation started in 1948 (Matt. 24).

No more death or sorrow? Look around pal, many people suffer regardless of their beliefs.

All suffer and are under sin. None of us deserve salvation. Grace is given in the form of unmerited favor. Faith is necessary to remove the flaming sword form the tree of life (Genesis 3). The flaming sword is the consuming fire that makes us suffer at the hands of what we reap from our actions. To remove the sword, you only need to remove the pride. Humility before God is recognizing His love for you and all of us. None of us deserve what He has planed for those who love Him and love others (LINK). The entire point is discovering love. Apart from removing pride, you cannot love (Agape) another person more than yourself. LINK

Watch this video carefully if you want the history of what I say:

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Great thread star & flagged. I hope this will open some peoples eyes that other religious pursuits such as Buddhism/new age/wiccan to name a few will not get you into heaven! They have been warned.

I think that people who think they are getting to heaven based on their own achievement and the use of a label, while denying entry to others without the same attributes, will not go to heaven.

So If I rape and kill but repent with Jesus and embrace him then I get absolved and wrapped in loving tender afterlife goo; if I live a morally sound life -reach out to others in kindness, turn the other cheek and live at peace with nature and others- but do not believe in a man with a gray beard and a glowing ring around his head waiting for me to chill on some clouds for all eternity then I'm going to burn and agonize in a lake of fire? (Longest run-on sentence in history, btw)

I honestly hope that there is much. much more than that, my friends.

reply to post by StripedBandit
People are judged by the actions they do in this life.
Also the person who turns their life around, Jesus will know their heart and no one will be able to deceive him.

Originally posted by StripedBandit
So If I rape and kill but repent with Jesus and embrace him then I get absolved and wrapped in loving tender afterlife goo; if I live a morally sound life -reach out to others in kindness, turn the other cheek and live at peace with nature and others- but do not believe in a man with a gray beard and a glowing ring around his head waiting for me to chill on some clouds for all eternity then I'm going to burn and agonize in a lake of fire? (Longest run-on sentence in history, btw)

I honestly hope that there is much. much more than that, my friends.

Don't buy into silly religious dogma my friend. Everyone gets into the afterlife regardless of their sins... Though i would not want to be in that murderer or rapist's shoes once they return home

reply to post by jmdewey60

People are judged by the actions they do in this life.

This is what Judaism is all about. Are life and how we live it! Yes Jews and Noahides are given laws by HaShem to live their lives by. But G-d loves everyone.

i personally believe this thread (and idea in general) is BS.

and i believe in Jesus...just not the one in the bible.

God is omnipresent, correct? so...if God is everywhere...how can there be only one route to everywhere? my head can't get past this.

me...i think Jesus was more of a present day shaman. a guide. perhaps an alien. i think when He made statements like " i am the way the truth and the light..." was acting more as a channel. i don't think that statement was self-proclamation.

see...the bible...has just enough truth in it to seem familiar and true...and just enough lies in it to guide the masses into a retarded stupor. i think that if Jesus was were here now...he would probably backhand most "christians" for claiming His name. i can count on one hand how many "christians" i've met that actually acted like christians...christ-like. jesus never judged anyone. he loved that hooker like he loved that drunk like he loved that leper. every christian i see judges them and looks down on them. i think judgement day is going to be a very rude awakening for you "christians".

and...let the hatred fly...

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

People are judged by the actions they do in this life.

This is what Judaism is all about. Are life and how we live it! Yes Jews and Noahides are given laws by HaShem to live their lives by. But G-d loves everyone.

I am not a Noahide so don't give me that. I accept none of it. And I believe in God, not whatever you substitute in for God.
If you are going to be judged by Moses and Yahweh, then you are in big trouble.

reply to post by Akragon


I know enough to know wicca is pagan witchcraft and that is all i need to know to close the book on it.

That's like saying "you no nothing about Satanism so you shouldn't speak"

Well guess what friend, i know enough to know that its WRONG!

You may say you know Jesus of Nazereth but you certainly do not serve him.

The Bible Condemns witchcraft of any form!

By defending WICCA you are strapped to the bondage of SATAN.

You cannot deny these words that i speak.

reply to post by jmdewey60


They are all the same being. God (that's what I call him) is called different things. An animal known as a Rat here is called something different in Bolivia for example.
We all pray to the same God.

Originally posted by ICEKOHLD
i personally believe this thread (and idea in general) is BS.

and i believe in Jesus...just not the one in the bible.

Ok great so you just believe in some imaginary character you made up in your head.

Well then its safe to say You will be judged the same as the unbelievers.

Good day!

reply to post by ICEKOHLD


Most people just don't understand what that path is... Believing in Jesus because you somehow think it will keep you out of hell is just silly. There is a method to the madness believe it or not. Being saved through "grace" is also just a whitewash. These people do not know the teachings of who they worship, even though the words are there in front of their faces anytime they chose to look for them.

There is a path my friend, but so very few chose to walk it

reply to post by Akragon


the gates of hell are wide...

let those who have ears hear...

Originally posted by StripedBandit
So If I rape and kill but repent with Jesus and embrace him then I get absolved and wrapped in loving tender afterlife...

I honestly hope that there is much. much more than that, my friends.

Where do you get this twisted perception from? Honestly if your intention is to rape and murder and then repent and be forgiven you a truly mistaken, God will see the intent of your motive in your heart!

Do you think you can trick God now? Repentance is not a get out of jail free card by no means!

Yes people who murder can be saved, but only if they truly sorry in there heart realize there mistake and TURN from there sin and put there trust in JESUS.

This is much different to the story you portray.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by StripedBandit
So If I rape and kill but repent with Jesus and embrace him then I get absolved and wrapped in loving tender afterlife goo; if I live a morally sound life -reach out to others in kindness, turn the other cheek and live at peace with nature and others- but do not believe in a man with a gray beard and a glowing ring around his head waiting for me to chill on some clouds for all eternity then I'm going to burn and agonize in a lake of fire? (Longest run-on sentence in history, btw)

I honestly hope that there is much. much more than that, my friends.

Don't buy into silly religious dogma my friend. Everyone gets into the afterlife regardless of their sins... Though i would not want to be in that murderer or rapist's shoes once they return home

You are a liar and i have the right to call you one. ALL SIN IS JUDGED EQUALLY.

No1 go's to heaven for being a good person, you will never be good enough on your own.

If that were the case then there would never have needed to be a reason for JESUS to come 2000 years ago.

Everyone has sinned, the only after life you will go to is the place where Satan and his demons will be.

There is no such thing as universalism.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

I know enough to know wicca is pagan witchcraft and that is all i need to know to close the book on it.

First define pagan... You use the term quite loosely as most christians do. Clearly you do not understand it.

You're completely ignorant on the subject.... Thus you should not speak of what you do not know. The blind should not lead the blind....correct? Don't bother talking about it, because you'll just make a fool of yourself, though you're already on the way to that achievement, why im trying to stop you....i don't know.

Then... search for a site that explains the true nature of the craft. Not one supported by a bias designer.

Then we might chat on the subject, but until then... you have no say on the matter aside from what the bible tells you..... probably best you just keep it to yourself until you actually are educated on the matter.

That's like saying "you no nothing about Satanism so you shouldn't speak"

Hahaha, i garentee you know nothing about Satanism either... simply an assumption on the matter of course. I may be wrong. Though i could let you chat with some actual satanists that would rip a hole in your limited knowledge of the bible....Again, careful what you post.

Well guess what friend, i know enough to know that its WRONG!

Correction... you know little to nothing about it, and you assume that what you read in the bible is absolutely correct. ITS EVIL....right?

Do the research, without your religion getting in the way. You'll be supprized with what you find, and the lies you've been told.

You may say you know Jesus of Nazereth but you certainly do not serve him.

Quite true, i serve no one... I live by his words, but i am not his servant. Nor am i a christian.

I might also add, if you do consider yourself a servant of Christ.... You have much to learn about what he taught. When you do actually meet him don't be supprized if he bitch slaps you for your ignorance.

The Bible Condemns witchcraft of any form!

It also condems being drunk, lipping off to your parents... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Whats your point? The bible condems lots of things....

By defending WICCA you are strapped to the bondage of SATAN.

Ahh, good old satan. One of the best conversion fear tactics the church has ever used.

Fear is not in me my friend, i do not fear Satan or the easter bunny for that matter. The only bondage you should fear is fear itself.... Clearly theres a huge streak of fear inside you.

Don't you realize religion promotes fear? They exploit the average mans fear of the unknown.... Perhaps one day you will see past your beliefs and look for truth.

You cannot deny these words that i speak.

Watch me...

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

They are all the same being. God (that's what I call him) is called different things. An animal known as a Rat here is called something different in Bolivia for example.
We all pray to the same God.

I believe in multiple gods but only one God. Jesus warned of those representing themselves, so if you see a god demanding to be worshipped, then by definition, it is not God but an evil god.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by StripedBandit
So If I rape and kill but repent with Jesus and embrace him then I get absolved and wrapped in loving tender afterlife goo; if I live a morally sound life -reach out to others in kindness, turn the other cheek and live at peace with nature and others- but do not believe in a man with a gray beard and a glowing ring around his head waiting for me to chill on some clouds for all eternity then I'm going to burn and agonize in a lake of fire? (Longest run-on sentence in history, btw)

I honestly hope that there is much. much more than that, my friends.

Don't buy into silly religious dogma my friend. Everyone gets into the afterlife regardless of their sins... Though i would not want to be in that murderer or rapist's shoes once they return home

You are a liar and i have the right to call you one. ALL SIN IS JUDGED EQUALLY.

No1 go's to heaven for being a good person, you will never be good enough on your own.

If that were the case then there would never have needed to be a reason for JESUS to come 2000 years ago.

Everyone has sinned, the only after life you will go to is the place where Satan and his demons will be.

There is no such thing as universalism.

edit on 17-8-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

I thought we already covered this in my previous response to you....

YOUR WORDS MEAN NOTHING TO ME.... Live in fear, judge everyone that you disagree with. It means nothing comming from someone such as yourself.

Get it? Let me reiterate....

Judge me how ever you want... i couldn't care less

Originally posted by ICEKOHLD
reply to post by Akragon

 

the gates of hell are wide...

let those who have ears hear...

Why don't you find a biblical definition of exactly what was considered Hell...

I think you might be supprized.

reply to post by ICEKOHLD

God is omnipresent, correct? so...if God is everywhere...how can there be only one route to everywhere? my head can't get past this.

Jesus opened the way to where men could have the Holy Spirit though not being holy themselves, on account of there being one holy person among us to represent mankind in heaven.
There is no salvation through keeping a written law but by being obedient to that spirit that is now in the world for those who will accept that guidance. The Apostles went out to proclaim this and to urge repentance because now there is a way where we can do that in a more serious sort of way.