How have you changed since 9/11?

I just read some of the comments on the link - looks like Yahoo News readers feel the same way we do here... the first comment I saw summed up the general mood of the majority:

All my rights have been taken away, I am demonized by the criminal government and called a potential terrorist, and I have become a conspiracy realist.

That's a little more extreme than how I'd say it, but it's just about how I feel...

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
So no one trusts anything or anyone anymore.

I don't even trust this thread or your posts. Why do you want this information, what is your agenda, who do you work for?

Are you compiling a list of malcontents for some agency in preparation for a round up and trip to the fema camps?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised!! ATS is famous for "three letter" types lurking and working their NLP.

Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!!

edit on 17-8-2011 by whaaa because: code 46

Ah remember the good old days when people didn't have to prove anything? I don't.
I can tell you this... I work for a large profitable organization and I handle public affairs and government relations.
Also, one of my very good friends works for NASA, however he's in administration...
That probably makes me even more untrustworthy

Actually I don't want information, just the opinions, feelings and thoughts with regard to the event and how life has changed as a result.

How was that for a scripted answer?

If you'll notice there is another event that came to prominence at almost the exact time as 9/11 and that is widespread internet connections. It is a fact that around 2001 the internet took off in astronomical proportions. The late 90's few people except for hard core computer geeks had the internet and also people were still connecting through phone lines 14.4-28K etc. I love the internet but admittedly times have changes since the internet became widespread.

Originally posted by Malcher
If you'll notice there is another event that came to prominence at almost the exact time as 9/11 and that is widespread internet connections. It is a fact that around 2001 the internet took off in astronomical proportions. The late 90's few people except for hard core computer geeks had the internet and also people were still connecting through phone lines 14.4-28K etc. I love the internet but admittedly times have changes since the internet became widespread.

I think everyone can agree that the internet is both good and bad. It's wonderful to be able to have so much information at our fingertips, it's great to be able to connect with people all around the planet. The biggest problem I have with it is I've noticed younger generations are losing the ability to communicate verbally.

Anyway, I agree, times have changed as a result. Everything is faster, everything is based on immediate gratification and no one can be totally alone anymore unless one makes a conscious effort to do so.

Back to 9/11, there are so many people out there saying they are just sick and tired of hearing about it? That is so typical American. Just forget about it.... people are so caught up in their own little pathetic agendas they don't bother to look at the world around them, only when it directly involves them. It's disgusting.

And more to make your stomach turn, as if it wasn't bad enough already:
news.yahoo.com...

I'm not sure how much truth there is to the article (above)

reply to post by Skorpiogurl
As to the first question regarding change, I've become more depressed, if that's even possible. I no longer trust anything I read in the newspaper or see on tv, regardless of the network. As time goes by I've been forced to conclude that all the media outlets are under someones control, and that there are no more independent journalists. In short, we're f *** ed. Still, I hold to the hope that these creeps that pulled this off did not take the power of the internet into consideration. We can still win, if we stand together.

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As to the first question regarding change, I've become more depressed, if that's even possible

Yeah, ditto dillweed.

I think that's the motivating factor for most folks. The dark abyss of depression is one of the things that kept me from letting the evidence lead me to where I am today. I dont think depression can be avoided in this case. I yammer on about "lifting the veil", but for most of us, the veil is a voluntary defense mechanism.

I empathize with folks at the same time I'm frustrated with them.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by dillweed

 

As to the first question regarding change, I've become more depressed, if that's even possible

Yeah, ditto dillweed.

I think that's the motivating factor for most folks. The dark abyss of depression is one of the things that kept me from letting the evidence lead me to where I am today. I dont think depression can be avoided in this case. I yammer on about "lifting the veil", but for most of us, the veil is a voluntary defense mechanism.

I empathize with folks at the same time I'm frustrated with them.

edit on 18-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: empathize with a "z"

Yankee, what do you mean by: The veil is a voluntary defense mechanism. ?

reply to post by Skorpiogurl

Yankee, what do you mean by: The veil is a voluntary defense mechanism. ?

Heh...pardon the drama. I sometimes get carried away...most of the time actually.

Apocalypse is a Greek term for the "lifting of the veil". In most of my posts I try to point out how indocrinated we are since birth, and I like to offer quotations like this one from Churchill below:

Men Occasionally Stumble Over The Truth, But Most Of Them Pick Themselves Up And Hurry Off As If Nothing Had Happened.

Source

We allow ourselves to be indocrinated to believe impossible things, because the consequence of not believing is to be ostracized from "normal" society. So we allow ourselves to lie to ourselves, and if we started telling the truth to ourselves, we'd be plunged into depression; because once you open that bottle, there's no stuffing the Genie back in...and now you're stuck on the outside of society, compounding the initial depression. People aren't stupid, so they defend their health by believing impossible things.

I believe the costs are too high in the long run though...I believe a lifetime of lying to yourself is the reason for deeper depression later in life. Men of my age suffer from "mid-life" crisis; I see this as a result of trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle.

My two cents.

I've realized there are far more stupid people living more or less normal lives since the "truthers" showed up than I ever thought possible.

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I'm not sure if I should be offended or proud.

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Skorpiogurl

 

Yankee, what do you mean by: The veil is a voluntary defense mechanism. ?

Heh...pardon the drama. I sometimes get carried away...most of the time actually.

Apocalypse is a Greek term for the "lifting of the veil". In most of my posts I try to point out how indocrinated we are since birth, and I like to offer quotations like those from Churchill below:

Men Occasionally Stumble Over The Truth, But Most Of Them Pick Themselves Up And Hurry Off As If Nothing Had Happened.

Source

We allow ourselves to be indocrinated to believe impossible things, because the consequence of not believing is to be ostracized from "normal" society. So we allow ourselves to lie to ourselves, and if we started telling the truth to ourselves, we'd be plunged into depression; because once you open that bottle, there's no stuffing the Genie back in...and now you're stuck on the outside of society, compounding the initial depression. People aren't stupid, so they defend their health by believing impossible things.

I believe the costs are too high in the long run though...I believe a lifetime of lying to yourself is the reason for deeper depression later in life. Men of my age suffer from "mid-life" crisis; I see this as a result of trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle.

My two cents.

edit on 18-8-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)

Yup, I understand what you're saying and agree completely. It's the thing that has always pissed me off about people. The fact that they can just lie to themselves and accept what the media feeds them and just go on about their business without ever asking why.

I thought about 9/11 for two weeks. I wasn't thinking about Arabs or how many people were killed. I was thinking about skyscrapers and what airliner impacts could do.

I concluded that at worst the airliners cold make the upper portion fall down the side. The top coming straight down and crushing the rest was totally impossible.

I assumed that would be the generally accepted conclusion in about six months. I didn't start discussing it with people until 2006. Now I think this is really weird. I don't understand how this situation is even possible.

Where are there any physicists even talking about building a model that can collapse straight down?

So either I'm crazy or most of the world is really stupid. Of course it is unhealthy too call a lot of people stupid especially if they are.

psik

reply to post by psikeyhackr

I thought about 9/11 for two weeks. I wasn't thinking about Arabs or how many people were killed. I was thinking about skyscrapers and what airliner impacts could do.

You weren't thinking about how many people were killed? Wow, that's cold.

I concluded that at worst the airliners cold make the upper portion fall down the side. The top coming straight down and crushing the rest was totally impossible.

You drew these conclusions not knowing about the total amount of steel and concrete on each level? I thought that was an absolute necessity for understanding 9/11? What percentage of the buildings were crushed? I saw a lot of broken concrete and steel sections coming out of the rubble the time I was there a few months later but where do you get that the building was crushed?

I assumed that would be the generally accepted conclusion in about six months.

Boy, were you wrong.

I didn't start discussing it with people until 2006.

Good idea.

Now I think this is really weird. I don't understand how this situation is even possible.

Its real, real simple - you're wrong.

Where are there any physicists even talking about building a model that can collapse straight down?

They're in the same place as those physicists that are making models that prove water is wet.

So either I'm crazy....

Or just wrong - don't forget you can always be just plain old wrong.

....or most of the world is really stupid.

So what do you think the odds are that the remainder of the human population is dumber than you? Or "in on it"?

Of course it is unhealthy too call a lot of people stupid especially if they are.

And even if they aren't! Actually, as member of the "lot of people" we think its kind of funny that you think we are stupid.

I used to believe 911 conspiracy theories.

I don't believe a single one now.

However, I came to the realization that saying the "OS is also a conspiracy theory" is not a cheap cop out, but invariably the most intelligent thing you could say about 911.

Whats really ironic is that post 911 both the definitions of 'terrorism' and 'conspiracy theory' have been altered, and the latter still applies.

Originally posted by hooper

You drew these conclusions not knowing about the total amount of steel and concrete on each level?

Not just the amount but also the Distribution, don't leave that out it's important..

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the only thing thats changed is our freedoms are slowley disappearing in front of our eyes and we are letting all this happen. where's the fight in us all gone?

Originally posted by gazzachel
reply to post by Skorpiogurl

 

the only thing thats changed is our freedoms are slowley disappearing in front of our eyes and we are letting all this happen. where's the fight in us all gone?

That's what I keep wondering...

reply to post by Skorpiogurl


You should wonder if there even was a "fight" in you, it is easy to claim that that fire is in you if you don't need to let it out.

people will always help someone in distress, that is what they tell you. But when something happens, how many just look and how many do help? that is where the fire has gone.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr

 

I thought about 9/11 for two weeks. I wasn't thinking about Arabs or how many people were killed. I was thinking about skyscrapers and what airliner impacts could do.

You weren't thinking about how many people were killed? Wow, that's cold.

Do some research on how many Americans are killed due to automobiles? Trace it back to the 1970s.

It has been about 40,000 people every year for decades. We are supposed to believe ways could not have been found to reduce that LONG AGO. So about 400,000 Americans have died due to automobiles since 9/11.

That is one of the things I have found weird about this country. I have known about that 40,000 figure for more than 30 years, so why are 3,000 supposed to be such a big deal. Airliners destroying skyscrapers in less than two hours is the weird occurrence of 9/11.

This is not about how many people were killed on 9/11. That is just used to manipulate people. About 5,000 Americans die every day on NORMAL DAYS. But we almost never hear about that. The problem is we are supposed to constantly evaluate the world from a distorted perspective because we are not supplied with enough information to be objective.

psik

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by hooper

You drew these conclusions not knowing about the total amount of steel and concrete on each level?

Not just the amount but also the Distribution, don't leave that out it's important..

We know the buildings had to hold themselves up.

That would give us minimum information on distribution in a qualitative sense. So how does lighter and weaker destroy heavier and stronger? The physics profession can't want to bring this up because it has to be too embarrassingly simple.

www.youtube.com...

Who, among the believers, wants to admit that only the brainlessly gullible could believe airliners could do that?

psik