English duo get 4 years for inciting riots on facebook

Although this seems heavy handed it will make similar idiots think twice in the future so it's probably a good thing.

I think the funniest part is that they didn't even manage to incite any rioting but they still got jailed. When did the UK turn into China? I cant help feeling a wee bit sorry for these two muppets.

Guardian Article

That is very heavy handed. I'd like to know what they posted that resulted in 4 years worth of prison time. It is pretty concerning.

What a disgusting sentence.
Child molestors and rapists get less than that.
This country, the government and the judiciary are *snip* beyond measure.

Everybody in the UK should start EVENTS on facebook with the same topics as they did

What are they going to do? Jail EVERYBODY? That would help their appeal, i mean if everybody is doing it, wtf?

Make a mockery out of their system,, turn their "intel machine" into nothing but NOISE.

Im sure they took into account their previous crimes when dishing out these sentences. From all accounts these dudes werent exactly law abiding citizens before they started inciting violence and criminal activity.

I agree about the paedo thing, its probably because 90% of the judges enjoy molesting little boys/girls, so they are setting the tariffs low encase they ever get caught.

This establishes a very dangerous precedent. Where does it stop? One of them managed to get 47 people to say they would "attend." Are they going to be dragged in front of the kangaroo courts as well?

What about the group calling for Cameron's resignation, is the owner of that next... dangerous.

As for these two, they'll be released on appeal, guaranteed.

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The killer of Baby P got less time, he was out in 2 years and that after torturing and killing an infant. These guys get 4 years for just typing stuff on facebook, that others could make there own minds up about, in noway forcing anyone to do anything. This is pathetic. The law is an ass.

I have read so many posts on ATS inciting riots...
It's interesting that they charged Facebook users imo...

well thats what people get for living in a nanny police state. where they practically monitor your every move then if you get out of line they will make an example out of you. this of course is a perfect example of just that, and what is already coming to the U.S.S.A welcome to 1984. the obamanation (abomanation) is truly a freighting thing.

The backlash of these riots is going to dig its own grave.

Madness. 4 years for typing stuff on a facebook page, which didn't even result in a riot of any kind.

The other day/week a lady who was charged with dangerous driving, and killing someone, gets a 6 month suspended sentance. Pathetic is right.

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Couldnt agree with you more.

They will probably appeal against the sentence.

Political pressure, although they have said they have not interfered, Of course there has been political pressure.

There is also talk about banning twitter from the UK also;

Welcome to the new Authoritarian State. And they have a cheek to criticize other countries for doing the same thing. The coalition Government is destroying the UK.

Serves the cowardly idiots right, its easy to sit and incite hatred and violence at a keyboard.
These two and others like them are as bad as the actual scum on the streets, The judges
are clearly making a point that doing this kind of thing and thinking you are immune to the
law is just not the case... good for them and society in my oppinion

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What a disgusting sentence.
Child molestors and rapists get less than that.

Isn’t that a case for increasing the sentances for child molesters and rapists rather than for reducing the sentence of these two?

If you stood outside a shop egging people on to smash its windows and rob the place then you would be arrested for inciting a criminal activity, why should it be any different if you do it via electronic means?

People were killed in the riots, homes burnt down, livelihoods destroyed, they knew this and still tried to instigate it. What they did was incitement to violence, theft and arson, they got an appropriate sentence imo.

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What about the group calling for Cameron's resignation

Do you really think calling for someone to resign is the same as calling for people to burn down peoples’ homes and loot shops?

The whole thing is just ridiculous. It's almost as if they're trying to wind people up to start more riots...

Things can't go on like this, its just plain sick.

Mike, the point is that the sentences handed out to these two were in excess of those routinely given to people who commit more serious crimes. That means that at this moment, the government and judiciary regard theft and damage to property as more worthy of punishment than raping someone.
That is utterly f'd up.

If these two didn't have computers would the riots have not happened?

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Again that's reason to increase other sentences not decrease theirs.

The riots were an aggravating factor, if they had made these pages any other time then they probably couldn’t reasonably expect anything to actually happen. However the fact that they made them when actual riots were going on, knowing that some had been instigated through social media sites, then it is likely that they believed that a riot would follow. Considering that riots elsewhere led to very serious crimes such as murder and arson then they are to be sentenced as though they were under the belief that these acts would result; at least one certainly did as he actually turned up to the riot he organised only to find the police waiting for him.

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If these two didn't have computers would the riots have not happened?

No one is suggesting that these two caused all the rioting in England only that they had the intent of instigating further violent looting. If they didn’t have computers and instead tried to organise a riot by word of mouth then would still have been arrested for the same crime.

The sentence that these two receive should, in part, act as a deterrent to others who might consider doing the same in the future. If you watch the interviews of the rioters then a common theme is the belief that any punishment that they would receive would be lax; the harsher sentencing is needed to counter this apparent sense of immunity that some criminals have.

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No links handy but cbc radio in canada said a kid got 6 months jail time for stealing a water bottle. Ouch


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Gotta say WOW, the UK justice system sure is fast. Here in America they would have only been arraigned by this point. A case like this could take up to a year or more while the attorneys build their cases; collecting evidence, interviewing witnesses, and reviewing precedents. Funny thing, even with all of that we still end up convicting innocent people occasionally.

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wait 6 months for stealing a goddamn water bottle. you gotta be *snip* kidding me. damn they are totally going hardcore on this.

Originally posted by Atzil321
Serves the cowardly idiots right, its easy to sit and incite hatred and violence at a keyboard.
These two and others like them are as bad as the actual scum on the streets, The judges
are clearly making a point that doing this kind of thing and thinking you are immune to the
law is just not the case... good for them and society in my oppinion

I agree but if people were able to recognize mental illness for what it is then they wouldn't get incited. I guess they are looking at it like the "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" but when you see the actual suspects they are just empty suitcases.

Here is a link:

en.wikipedia.org...